Saturday, April 30, 2016

Just Say "NO" To Narcan* In Schools


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  • Our schools are supposed to be "Drug Free" zones.
  • Availability in schools sends the wrong message!
  • The "right message": Use opioids in school and you'll risk dying from an overdose.
  • Why save the life of a junkie? If revived, they will still be addicted!
  • Too often, the "success stories" of Narcan use end up overdosing again.

*Naloxone HCL

24 comments:

Anonymous said...

No offense SCATS but that is a dumb idea. You are confusing a medical issue with a moral one. If say someone had a diabetic crisis you would not give them insulin because they will just get their sugar level up again; or if someone had a serious asthma attack or an allergic shock from foods, we should not administer medicine because it will just happen again. From a medical point of view we have a medicine that will save a life, it would be against medical practice to not use it. The role of medicine is to save lives not to be the moral arbiter of life and death,
The problem of opioid addiction is a real serious one, and I agree we need to do a lot more in the schools and elsewhere, However this problem is not just limited to students. I would bet that more than a few school district employees have opioid dependency problems. Unfortunately doctors have overprescribed these drugs and caused a problem, Talk about drug free zones is silly since America is awash with the overuse of legal prescription drugs not just illegal ones. Anyone even outstanding upright citizens can get hooked on pain killers and it seems to be difficult to stop. We need emphasis on treatment and prevention not a let them die attitude, If it was your child would you want to let them die?

Anonymous said...

Why save the life of a junkie? That's pretty harsh SCATS. That junkie is someone's kid, someone's brother or sister or grandkid.
Resource officers should already have NARCAN in their car, as do most officers. That should be enough, I agree. But please, unless you've lived with and lived an addict, you cannot imagine the pain. Junkies as you call them suffer from the disease of addiction. I can assure you, no one wants to grow up to be an addict.

Anonymous said...

Ummmmm, just sayin;
Given GCSD's recent performance with Mr Heart Start, after they got it out of the locked box, is possession of NarCan by the District a good idea?

Envision Sport District employees trying to find the NarCan spike.
Think of the conversation.
School Nurse- Anybody got their glasses to read the instructions?
Teacher- None of us know how to read that science stuff
SN- Well where do I stick it?
Security via radio- Ya gotta nail it right in a vein.
SN - I don't remember veins, I'm a School Nurse for cripe sake - If I could do veins I'd be able to work at Unity
Security- Just put the damn building in Lock Down- we don't want video getting out
Student/Junkiw - Beach, just spike him right in the same hole he shot up with.
SN- How do I find that?
Student Dealer- Just stick it beach
SN- I'm afraid of needles
S/J - Give me the spike beach I show ya how


SCATS said...

To 8:28AM ~~ Sorry, but there's NO confusion here. YOU are confusing people suffering from medical issues they probably did not choose to have (diabetes & asthma - both can be inherited) with those who CHOOSE to abuse drugs. Diabetics and asthma sufferers are NOT breaking the law. Neither are those with food allergies, a ridiculous comparison!

Just because a drug was originally obtained on a prescription does NOT mean it was legal to take. It is illegal to take (or to give) a prescribed medication to another person. Food allergies can be caused by ingredients in foods one never suspected to be there, or even by manufacturing methods.

Rehab rates for opiood addicts are low ... true successes are few and far between. Not all addicts started with a prescription either. Heroin has become cheap and plentiful and very addictive.

Sadly, you are probably right about school district employees with dependency issues. Routine screenings would weed them out, but I'm sure the union would NEVER allow it.

To 1:05PM ~~ Harsh? YUP! But then bringing that kind of crapple into a school and exposing everyone else to your issues of weak character is pretty harsh too. I have little to no tolerance for alcoholics or drug addicts. THEY KNOW THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW. The consequences should be severe enough to deter others from trying it. School is NO place to be dealing with junkies and their multitude of ongoing issues. PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY MATTERS.

SCATS said...

To 1:46PM ~~ Excellent point about what happened with the AED equip!

Just an FYI: Narcan goes into a muscle, not a vein.

Anonymous said...

SCATS I think your view of addiction is incorrect. Take something like PTSD. It could be a result of combat but very often due to child abuse family violence rape/ sexual abuse emotional trauma etc. I don't think most people would choose to get PTSD. Yet most people who study these things tell us that people with PTSD are at a high risk of addiction, When we encounter someone who is addicted we don't always know whether they are hiding the intense anxiety and secret guilt of people who are abused. Unfortunately things like child abuse family violence sexual abuse, bullying take place more often than we think. SOme people abuse drugs to numb the anxiety of these events.

Anonymous said...

Fyi: it's administered nasally. Most NARCAN kits given to the public now are made in that form, not injection.
I'm the 1:05 poster btw. I'm sorry you have no tolerance for them, and I'm sure you see it as a choice and not a disease. Many people are uneducated like that. Just like you were also re: it being an injection. Sorry, youte not always right.

Anonymous said...

Just an FYI: NARCAN is administered nasally. So educate yourself. Yes it does come in injection form, but not the NARCAN kits that are given to the public.
Whether you believe addiction is a choice is your problem. But saying let junkies die? Wishing death upon someone who you don't know and who did nothing to hurt you is incomprehensible. You have zero compassion as well as zero tolerance. Or education on the subject either.

SCATS said...

To 5:38PM ~~ We're talking primarily about STUDENTS attending public schools, not the war wounded. It's doubtful that many teens developed opioid addictions from sexual abuse at such a young age.

To 6:05 & 7:41PM ~~ We aren't talking about Narcan kits "given to the public". We're talking about schools where likely the nurse and a few others would be overseeing it's use and storing the kits. I find NO stats showing that nasal Narcan is given more often, but then Nasally administered Narcan was only approved by the FDA a FEW MONTHS AGO! (As per the FDA's date of approval)

I'm sorry, but when people put an alcoholic drink to their lips, then drive, or when they take a drug bought on the street or prescribed for someone else they are KNOWINGLY breaking the law and potentially putting themselves and others in harm's way! I have no tolerance for JUNKIES IN OUR SCHOOLS, period.

I won't await your apologies concerning your lack of education about nasal Narcan. I'm well-aware of the kinds of people we're dealing with on here, and it's not a pretty picture ;)

Anonymous said...

Disease my ass!
Just because some dress wearing Judge decided to call junkies and drunks sick instead of admitting they were weak creatures doesn't make it a disease. It damn sure doubled the cost of my Blue Cross and Blue Shield in the 70s though.

Sorry little Boys & Girls, this old bastard who spent 2 years in the Nam ain't buying your weak kneed Lilly livered crap. All this disease shit just encourages worthless junkies and drunks to stay junkies and drunks. You want to save them, Fine, move them into your house, feed the wastoid and take care of him. I won't even dial 911 for a junkie unless he's blocking my truck.

Wake the hell up!
Nobody shoved the needle in the wastoid's arm or poured the drink down a drunk's neck. They will never be productive and will always be takers. Screwem!

Any drunk driving a vehicle should be chained to the nearest pole and left there for crows. If he wrecks somebody else, they or their family may break the drunk's knees with the object of their choice.
Drunks & Junkies are NOT victims, but they damn sure create victims.

Anonymous said...

Science sure does get some people confused.

Anonymous said...

9:49 well said brother in life there are winners and losers. It pays to be a winner until somebody decides that you worked too hard and won too much and takes it from you and gives what is yours to somebody else. By the way a disease in something like leprosy of cancer. Just sayin.

SCATS said...

To 9:16AM ~~ Perhaps because it's not something valued by GCSD.

Anonymous said...

There is an old phrase: There for the grace of god go I. Some of you need to ponder on that. SCATS said that school students are too young to be traumatized and fall into addiction--that is just flat out incorrect. I know people who had violence and trauma in their lives and turned to drugs. Luckily they got help. Suicide is a terrible thing. Don't make light of it.

SCATS said...

To 6:43PM ~~ There you go MISQUOTING SCATS AGAIN!! What we actually said was:"It's doubtful (a keyword) that many (another keyword) teens developed opioid addictions from sexual abuse at such a young age."

We stand by that statement :)

Suicide is NOT the topic, so please don't try to bait & switch your way into relevance.

Anonymous said...

SCATS we agree on something. I have ZERO sympathy for heroine addicts. They are the ones who are doing all the burglaries in our community. They steal from family and friends. They are compulsive liars and scammers. They don't want help. I've heard stories of firemen saving a loser who overdosed just to be screamed at by the loser when they came to about ruining their high!?!?! I don't think anyone should have to administer Narcan. If you are a addict then you should have it on you or you may die. Heroine addicts are the scum of the earth. Any family member of mine would be immediately disowned. If they cared about themselves they would be lined up at rehab yet they don't want help. Every heroine addict is not just using illegal drugs but they are stealing non stop to pay for their problem.

Anonymous said...

Drug addiction is not a diseas its a weakness and Darwin has a theory for the weak.

Anonymous said...

Any info on the 5 to 8 fights at OddISee last Friday? Rumors that security was non existent immobile and ineffective. No arrests. Planned brawls. Fire alarm activation to cover. And now questions regarding the age, physical ability, and health of those Head of security Catterwalling has placed into positions meant to protect our children. Perhaps its time for a retired incompetent police officer to relinquish his position in which hes proven to also be an incompetent head of security

SCATS said...

To 4:23PM ~~ EXACTLY OUR THOUGHTS regarding Darwin ;)

To 5:18PM ~~ Haven't heard a word, until your comment. Tell us more.

Anonymous said...

Why should anyone be surprised by the lack of compassion expressed on this blog? Individuals who don't fit the purity of the perfectionists who run this site are not worthy of help or the right to exist in their obscure little dimension . Very sad indeed but an obviuos truth. But then again who really cares what they stand for in the first place. Always with the negative vibes on any and all issues and of no significant consequences in the overall scheme of things that really matter.

SCATS said...

To 10:30AM ~~ Why would anyone be surprised that those (like you) who support liberal, social views on here are no different than the ones who are trying to shutdown Trump's rallies? Instead of adding to the discussion of the ISSUE, you attempt to change the subject to the character of those with views differing from your own and would love to shutdown the messenger altogether! TYPICAL.

Anonymous said...

Just to change topics a bit I heard a version of the rumor that Reilich was ill in the local politosphere recently as you had mentioned. Is there truth in this?

Anonymous said...

Scats not true. The right to disagree is called democracy . The right to criticize is your domain and anyone who dares to disagree with your position is subjected to ridicule , insults and character assassination so don't accuse me of doing anything close to what you do to us who express an opposite view on your positions on topics posted here. Such unbelievable hypocrisy .

SCATS said...

To 1:40PM ~~ Democracy has nothing to do with the "right to disagree." That's your first amendment right. The topic of this thread is NARCAN's Use In Schools. You and/or 10:30AM diverted to the topic of those "who run this site" ... clearly NOT the topic, but the DIVERSION to the character of other BLOGGERS.

Usually, we don't even bother to engage in such discussions to this degree, but chose to use this as an example of WHY some comments don't get posted. WE are NOT the topic and do NOT seek to be.