Tuesday, March 08, 2016

The Law Is NOT Made To Be Broken


GCSD Treats Laws As If Compliance Is Voluntary 

It's Not ... 


Anonymous Charlie Hubbard said...
An update on the teachers contract (the biggest part of the budget) approved by the board 4-28-'15'

Board did not know the cost. I had to file a foil request to get a copy of the cost analysis (a violation of policy 6431) - it took over 6 weeks because it wasn't done. When I did get it there was NO comparison of cost to the prior contract. It was unsigned and not dated.
I had to file a foil request to get a copy of the new contract (again a violation of policy 6431) on 12-14-'15' - still to this date the 'new' contract is not available because it's NOT DONE. Is it wrong to ask what the board did know 'prior' to board approval.

The new contract was put together by the boards boss (the outgoing super). This is an example of how business is being done by school board(s) today but not to worry the budget can be trusted.

ps; please take note - the city school board just gave 'lifetime medical' to one of it's outgoing assist. supers - sound familiar? With no idea what the cost will be (today's d+c).      3/08/2016 6:22 AM

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

If BOE approved contract last April (Apr 28, 2015), what was the vote count?

Anonymous said...

Charlie, you mention Apr 2015 last year. Wasn’t’ that same BOE and Admin that scheduled special vote in March (one year ago) on capital budget, and publicized confusing total costs in 2 peices – including cost of stadium?

SCATS said...

To 8:27PM ~~ According to the minutes posted on Board Docs, Crandall & VanOrman were abesent. O'Toole voted NO. The rest voted YES.

http://www.boarddocs.com/ny/greece/Board.nsf/files/9WG3TK69D0EE/$file/4-28-15%20draft%20mtg%20min.pdf

To 8:40PM ~~ You are correct!

Anonymous said...

Charlie nice try but you continue to beat a dead horse to death with your COST Argument. Here's why this is true. Ninety five percent of eligible voters don't care based on the embarrasing numbers that turn out to vote in May. Your personal crusade against worthless contracts continues without gaining much traction beyond this blog site. While I agree with your assertion of our right to know the cosr implications of any item contained within a proposed spending plan and largely because this is GREECE, it won't happen.
The administration and BOE read the same numbers that we do and have come to the same conclusion. Nobody cares accept the few usual critics of budgets year after year. Given this fact there is nothing out here that would cause them to lose a nights sleep over with regards to continued budget approvals. As for your foil requests, they are obviously playing games with you by purposely not completing the documents you request and thus are not able to be foiled consistant with the language of the law. I suggest you take your case to a higher authority in Albany and let them pressure the BOE to enforce its policies as they are sworn to do.

SCATS said...

To 7:28AM ~~ Your attitude goes a long way in describing what's wrong in Greece! We applaud Charlie, his brother and several others for their diligence in watching over the powers that be. As bad as it is now, imagine how much worse it might be without their interest & oversight! THINK: Duped by the stadium double-speak! Given the fact the voters are listening, the horse isn't dead.

Greece leaders need to wake up & hear the roar! What is happeing at the national level is a reflection of the same frustration, anger and pent-up desire for change in Greece, NY. ALL it will take is one or more candidates that the voters feel CAN BRING CHANGE. When that person runs for election, the lines will be long. REMEBER ANNE MILLER??? She got more votes than anyone EVER when she ran for BOE ;)

Charlie Hubbard said...

to 7:28 (anonymous)
If I am reading your posting correctly administration and the board bases their job performance based on an approved budget - 'simple' enough. No mention of quality improvement? God help us if our goal was to have contracts that promoted quality. Our contracts are not just worthless, they are worthless, do/nothing, give/aways - NOTHING MORE. It's not that complex, you just need a board that cares.
I don't take any of this stuff personal. If the board wants to continue to do business in secret - so be it. So budgets may get passed but I can assure you board(s) will not be respected or trusted - just tolerated. In the mean time the community losses.

Anonymous said...

SCATs Miller ran in a different era. Wasn't she an official with that CARE group. Of course she got more votes but that was during the CARE. era when their efforts turned out over 12,000 voters on school budget votes. And please don't make me laugh by saying that Greece residents or for that matter, Monroe County residents, mirror what is happening in the rest of the country. They, we , Are SETTLERS who are content to settle for mediocrity and business as usual. It's the fact that gives this community its own distinct identity separate and out of the mainstream of the rest of a decaying country that used to be known as THE UNITED States of America.
As for the Hubbard's , certainly their efforts should be applauded but unfortunately nobody appears to listening and even if they do, not one will join their efforts to bring about change. That why it's is and will remain a dead horse issue in this town.

SCATS said...

To 2:56PM ~~ Like I previously stated, What is happening at the national level is a reflection of the same frustration, anger and pent-up desire for change in Greece, NY. ALL it will take is one or more candidates that the voters feel CAN BRING CHANGE. When that person runs for election, the lines will be long.

Go ahead and laugh. Trump has brought out HUGE increases in voter turnout at the polls, exceeding 100% in some locales. It CAN happen here. We just need the right choice in candidate - a candidate that really IS a new choice.

Anonymous said...

Scats reading your 3:11 post regarding Trump, "voter turnout at the polls, exceeding 100% in some locales". How can Greece get more than a 100% - this could be our problem

Anonymous said...

Mr Hubbard, you were a former board member so you should know that the only contract they have control over is the Superintendents .
Performance improvements should be a part of that contract. That includes her performance as well as improved performance by teachers resulting in improved quality student performance. Employee contracts are between her and the employees. Negotiating with them is her job by contract. The BOE input in the process is two fold. Set some desired perimeters regarding areas of compensation. If these goals are not met, they can refuse to ratify a proposed agreement by voting not to accept the agreement as part of the proposed Spending Plan.nUnfortunately we don't have a board willing to put her feet to the fire and get it done or show her the door when her contract expires as well as deny any built in performance based increased compensation . As for unions and resulting contract, unless the laws are changed in the future, both are a fact of life and here to stay.
SCATs Dream on because the Messiah you are waiting for does not exist. And even if one arrived, he would need four disciples to work the miracle necessary to save our school district.

SCATS said...

To 5:22PM ~~ Ha ha! That should have said "voter turnout at the polls, exceeding a 100% INCREASE in some locales" ... Only in Greece would they try for more than 100% in a typical election ... OK, maybe in Louisiana & Chicago, too!

To 5:47PM ~~ Your first statement is only true if you don't believe in the Messiah you mentioned in your last statement. When HMO were elected, things were different for about a year.

Charlie Hubbard said...

to 5:47 (anonymous)
First of all the 'she' you refer to left the district shortly after the board approved the contract in question - repeat - the BOARD approved this contract. They were in such a hurry to 'get it done' they couldn't even wait to see the cost.
I would remind all readers policy 6431 was put into place in large part because of a certain super who was given 'lifetime' 'free' medical and dental that 'Greece' taxpayers are still paying for to this day. Absolutely NO idea what the cost was or would be - question - can you think of anything more 'stupid' or irresponsible?
When I see a contract receive board approval - financial impact comes over 6 weeks later - and parts of that same contract getting approved 11 months later one has to wonder what goals the board was trying to follow.

Anonymous said...

Charlie if your talking about the she that took the place of Steve #1, her contract was approved by the lame duck 2004 board in April of 2005 . the same bunch of crooks that approved an addendum to Walts' contract granting him Family healthcare for life in December 2004.
Fortunately that contract and that super was given the boot by the new board in early 2006. As you correctly stated, us taxpayer are stuck with and are still on the hook for the healthcare rip off now estimated to be in excess of $30.000/ yr. the reason we are still stuck with this larceny of tax dollars is due to the reluctance to the newly elected 2006 board led by Boily who managed to shift the majority to his bidding and refused to pursue legal action to recover that criminal theft of district funds for personal and political consideration on his part retroactive to his tenure as town stupidviser .the exact amount now being paid for his health care is matter of record and subject to a FOIL request.

Anonymous said...

To 2:01PM - I get the the money grab, it is also pathetic that it goes on year after year with no accountability. Apparently, the Code of Ethics must have gone in the shredder! This type of information should find a way to the news media with names of the recipients receiving the unscrupulous amount of lifetime taxpayer benefits. As a lifelong taxpayer, I have nowhere close to the benefits the public sectors unjustifiably swindle from us. Lifelong benefits should be abolished and should be managed with a contributory arrangement. Early retirements payouts and pension padding has been going on for years and the cost is unsustainable.
Taxpayers have had it as they pack-up their belongings and leave this tax ridden state. The political deviants know exactly what I am talking about, but are only concerned with their own self interests, not what is best for the taxpayers that put them office.
I also thank Charlie for keeping the SCATS community informed on this topic.