Wednesday, February 03, 2016

Greece vs. Henrietta ...


When a home explodes due to natural gas in Greece, as happened in October of 2010*, the community is given lip service, often in the form of: "The investigation is ongoing" ... or some other excuse ... and NEVER GIVEN AN EXPLANATION/CAUSE FOR THE INCIDENT!

When a home explodes due to natural gas in Henrietta, as happened yesterday, an investigation begins immediately, the cause is determined and the Fire Chief holds a press conference OPENLY EXPLAINING THE ENTIRE SITUATION IN LAYMAN'S TERMS THAT MAKE SENSE, so everyone else can feel safe in their homes.

Home Explosion Investigation Double-Speak
   

70 comments:

Anonymous said...

GREECE VS HENRIETTA ?? surely you can't be serious especially in this situation. Gas service and meter in the garage such was the case and cause of this explosion? What town with responsible officials would allow a dangerous condition like this exist In a garage where running cars with electrical ignition components are located and exposed to being struck by a vehicle. No mystery here as to what the cause was and why it happened.makes you wonder about their building codes look like compared to Greece.

Anonymous said...

Oh come on puttitat. The Henrietta job is an entirely different investigation than Greece was.
Henrietta, we know who hit the gas meter inside the garage, and we know all parties were outside of the house with 2 IAFF Members when the gas ignited. Pretty easy to do 4 Statements and look at the timeline and cubic footage of the house and see the time from the meter being sheared off to BOOM is about what is expected. Only question on the fire investigation is what was the source of ignition?

Pretty much rule out pilots on the water heater and furnace unless they were electronic spark ignition.

You know what's really interesting about Henrietta?
Google streetview from 2012 shows a raised ranch WITHOUT a garage. HFD saw a garage with a gas meter inside when they arrived. The meter should have been moved when the garage was built.. RG&E requires outside meters.
Was a Permit issued for that garage? Did the building Inspector sign off on an improper build? Why didn't RG&E's meter reader note the change from outside meter to inside meter? His data logger indicates if the meter is inside or outside.
The Henrietta Blast Off was an avoidable if people did their jobs!

SCATS said...

To 5:30 & 7:46PM ~~ The location of the meter is NOT at issue. RG&E stated yesterday that MANY HOMES OF THAT VINTAGE had gas meters located in the garage. To date, they have NOT suggested removing them from garages. News reports by various TV stations also showed their neighbors have METERS IN THE GARAGE where they've been located the last 50+ years without incident.

In the Greece home explosion, NO CAUSE WAS EVER DETERMINED though a gas dryer was in use at the time ... but then little true "investigation" ever happened. Typical for Greece. And to think we pay through the nose for our FDs.

Anonymous said...

RG&E is in full out ass covering mode!

RG&E forces meter relocations every day, both electric and gas when there is a change to the building, like adding a garage.

Adding that garage changed the meter from an outside meter to an inside meter. If the overpressure safety at the meter had tripped, gas would have filled the garage rather than venting outside. BIG hazard and possible claim against RG&E.
Henrietta building Inspector screwed up BIG allowing the meter to stay in the garage.

Anonymous said...

Just because a gas dryer was being used does not mean that is the cause. Could be a leak at the stove, furnace, water heater, meter, etc.. Almost impossible to determine the exact cause when there is a unexpected explosion, unlike Henrietta where they knew a car crashed into and sheared off the meter.

Oh and by the way both investigations as all fire investigations in the county are done by the Fire Bereau not individual FD's.

SCATS said...

To 8:52PM ~~ They showed a pic of the house from BEFORE the explosion. The garage was beneath the upper story, so doubtful it was an addition. You can see it in this video: http://www.whec.com/news/stories/S4037294.shtml?cat=565

To 10:04PM ~~ TY for bringing up the OBVIOUS lol. In fact, that is EXACTLY the issue: It could have been anything. But then here's the rub ... after the Greece house exploded, they NEVER CONDUCTED A COMPLETE INVESTIGATION. I know the victims. I know what did/didn't take place. Read the BLOG that I linked to and it tells you from another media quote that a week later, they had NO CLUE about the cause. They blamed the hospital on not giving access for an interview which isn't exactly true. Even if it were, the parties are no longer in the ICU, so how about a cause?

It is MY belief that RG&E has A LOT to hide. Their infrastructure, including the gas lines to your home from the road is ANCIENT. They are NOT keeping up with maintenance, repairs or replacements. They don't even do routine tree trimming following customer complaints. I know. I've made the calls.

Anonymous said...

Why does Ricky Racoon always going to the bank in different cars? Is so he can screw off all day? I've been in the bank when he walks in many times. He drives his plow truck, he drives a black truck he even drives an expensive luxury car. What is he doing? Why is he plowing snow when he is suppose to be collecting taxes? I've watched him leave the bank and head towards his plaza. The Racoon is a mystery!

SCATS said...

To 2:14PM ~~ I just want to know WHY I haven't received my requested receipt for paying taxes! It's been many weeks. Maybe you just explained it, hmm ...

Anonymous said...

Maybe he has to run to the plaza and try straightening out Ashley's latest mistake.

Better question, WHY is Monroe Ambulance paying rent for a store with closed blinds and CCTV cameras covering the sidewalk? Is somebody coming & going through the back door at Monroe? Is that the politician's covert meeting room off Town Property?

Anonymous said...

I hate to throw cold water on why Antelli drives an assortment of vehicles when going to the bank but He is obviously making deposits especially at this time of the year. Those deposits will contain large sums of cash as well as checks. That's right because I have witnessed some taxpayers paying their taxes in cash.

By driving different vehicles and varying the times he goes to the bank is actually a good practice for a very good reason. In the process of doing this,potential bad guys who know what he's carrying , can not get a fix on his vehicle type or schedule I n order to plan a means of relieving him of the deposit bag he's carrying. He should be applauded for this as not only is he securing taxpayer dollars but himself from personal harm. When the former Receiver of Taxes did this, a police detail accompanied her in a marked police car at tax time.

Anonymous said...

The blog about Ricky Raccoon.. is someone stalking him? The person who blogged that may have crossed the line. Maybe this should be reported to the FBI?

Anonymous said...

What kind of blogger would criticize someone's child. Does that person have kids of their own?

SCATS said...

To 9:05AM ~~ Over my decades of visiting Town Hall to pay my taxes, I've never seen anyone pay their taxes with cash. I'm sure that if anyone does, they are few & far between ... and not too aware of personal safety issues in doing that. If Antelli needs that many cars to confuse a potential "bad guy" then MAYBE we should have an armoured vehicle collect deposits daily from that location. MAYBE there should be a cop standing as sentry at the entrances, too. We shouldn't be footing the bill for a variety of vehicles just to throw off the "bad guys."

To 12:08PM ~~ Calm down and get a grip. The person explained that they see Antelli arrive/depart when they are at the bank Antelli goes to. If anyone is stalking, it's the Receiver ;)

To 12:13PM ~~ CHILD??? You mean ADULT child, right?

Anonymous said...

Just because you never seen anyone paying taxes in cash that doesn't make that a fact. I on the other hand I witnessed this when I was there.Besides the deposit would contain cash from fees, dog licenses etc. we didn't spend money on armored cars either. Under Riley the cops used to pick up the bag from the tax office and take it to the bank. I remember the time a Greece cop stole the bag for the cash was caught and sent to jail. Don't you remember that SCATs.? It was all over the papers at the time. Perhaps you weren't around when this took place. What Antelli does makes perfect sense and smart proceedure back then and even more so now in the changing demographics of the town that has and is taking place.

Anonymous said...

Looks like there is a rat in the "Church of Bill & Michelle". Be careful Rickie, those eyes (or cameras) are on to you LOL !

Anonymous said...

It seems Antelli is the topic of conversation. I must say in my 37 years of paying Greece taxes I have never seen the "collector of taxes" taking the payment. Actually Antelli pointed out an excemption that saved us money. He goes out of his way to help other people..

Anonymous said...

My neighbor is home bound and Antelli actually went to their house to collect their taxes, upon my neighbor's request for help. He goes out of his way to help when their is a need..

SCATS said...

To 2:13PM ~~ I didn't say there was NO cash. I said I've never seen taxes paid that way, and I HAVE NOT. You'd have to be looking for trouble to carry around that kind of cash these days. And again, I will call BS on your "makes perfect sense and smart proceedure" comment about one town employee needing access to half a dozen different vehicles! I'm pretty damned sure an armored truck & driver won't cost us that.

To 4PM ~~ Except to see him arrive back to Town Hall, I've never seen him come out of his office.

To 4:04PM ~~ If that isn't BS then he should be FIRED ASAP. You can pay your taxes by mail.

Anonymous said...

Why does it matter how many personal vehicles he drives ? Others have town vehicles they take home. Two people even have unmarked town owned SUV's they take home or go shopping with (guess who)

Anonymous said...

SCATS I heard he almost got fired more than once. Going to the house to take a payment is awful shady. Like so many that claim they are helping the old people only to find out they've been ripped off.

SCATS said...

To 5:24PM ~~ We aren't talking about him owning & driving half a dozen cars. We're talking about the TOWN of GREECE providing the vehicles.

To 6:51PM ~~ If you look up "shady politics" or "scandal" or "closed, clubby & corrupted" in the dictionary, you'll see a map of Greece with pics of our leaders ;)

Anonymous said...

To 5:24 pm 2-5-16 2:14pm asked why Ricky went to the bank in different cars. He said nothing about The town providing the cars

Anonymous said...

As much as I personally despise Ricky Racoon, I will admit he was the Councilman who did all he could for his constituents when he was on Town Council. He also helped a lot of people who had family in the hospital by plowing their driveway with his red truck.
He was also a close personal friend of Merit Rahn, and almost Primaried John Hairburger for Supervisor. Then he got sucking up to King William and routed to County Leg until he could become Tax Collector. They spent a lot of quality time together out at HotRodRanch.

Anonymous said...

Looks like Rainbows family is active on this site!

Anonymous said...

Important Information...Monroe Ambulance is a private Ambulatory Service..nothing to do with politics.

SCATS said...

To 9:05PM ~~ He didn't say they were his trucks.

To 11:23PM ~~ Just because they are "private" doesn't mean they are unencumbered by politics.

Anonymous said...

11:23 the question is not who owns Monroe, that is well documented as is their shop/barn in the former Delco on Lyell Ave.
THE QUESTION is WHY Monroe is paying rent to Ricky Racoon for a storefront in his plaza at N Greece? Np ambulances are ever seen there, no Monroe employees work there, and nobody has seen anyone enter or leave the Monroe store.

Did Ricky rent the store to Monroe in exchange for booting GVA out of his old firehouse to give Monroe advantage with the 911 Dispatch System? Both GVA and Monroe are PAY per ride Ambulances, so the "station" might well advantage Monroe on calls coming through 911.

Something is very odd and probably dirty about Monroe paying rent on that store that would otherwise sit empty. WHAT is behind the blinds, and what comes and goes through the back door?????

Anonymous said...

There is certainly a lot shady dealings going on around town, but that should not surprise anyone. The notion that the receiver of taxes makes house calls is absurd.
The same receiver of taxes does manage look out for his own interest seeing that the old firehouse (now a rent paying auto-shop) he owns on the corner of Latta and North Greece Road had the assessment cut in half after he purchased it! That property, 3564 Latta is now assessed for a fictitious $130,000! The land alone is assessed for $67,000 making the 6,000 sq/ft building worth only $63,000 (about $10.50 sq/ft)? What a farce! I bet it is insured for half million$$$....... Interesting, the old abandoned, boarded-up, rat infested house across the street is assessed for $200K!

Anonymous said...

I think it's a dispatch office and their extra ambulances park in the back of the building . Not sure if I would want ambulances parked in front of my business . Their service area does need an office. Maybe that's all it is , just an office

SCATS said...

To 4:56PM ~~ Stories like that about assessment "differences" are what cause our blood to boil in this rip-off town.

To 7PM ~~ Maybe?? Then again, maybe not!

Anonymous said...

If Greece is so bad, corrupt and criminal, why don't you move???

SCATS said...

To 10:40PM ~~ Move and give you no one to bully??

Anonymous said...

2/7/16 7:00pm

Learn our business. Then learn how and where Monroe dispatches from before purporting to know how that company works. I call BS on dispatch office - look at all the sites they park at openly, we claim coverage! Then look at how we reroute and reposition them just to F>>> everybody up!

Anonymous said...

7:00 you are now authorized for beverage break in the ambulance for the next 15 minutes.

No arguing with the Ricky Racoon supporter during your beverage break either.

10:40, I was here since 1952, I didn't invite you to move in and bring your trash ideas with you, so you get the hell out of my Town.
You can walk away of you can ride off in a Monroe Ambulance.

Anonymous said...

Can someone tell me why all photos on the King Williams Facebook page All are labeled PROPERTY TOWN OF GREECE. Does he think anyone cares to steel his photos?

SCATS said...

To 10:04PM ~~ It probably comes with a self-inflated sense of importance AND the worry that SCATS might copy & use one LOL

Anonymous said...

I was in Town Hall yesterday (Monday) and saw Rick. He was helpful as he has been with me in the past. We talked about a few things, he filled me in on whats going on at town hall and the Republican party. I've developed a friendship since last year and he is always so talkative. I enjoy seeing him and finding out things.

Anonymous said...

I was at the window yesterday and Rainbow Ricky was working the counter! The line was about ten people long so I heard more than once him say he could wave their late fees! Is that legal?? I didn't think there were late fees yet? Why would he say that??

SCATS said...

To 9:01AM ~~ Reminds me of the expression: "Loose lips sink ships."

To 9:44AM ~~ Maybe it was a joke.

Anonymous said...

TO: 9:44 There certainly are late, fees if you don't pay by the deadlines.

Anonymous said...

Late fees begin February 10.

Anonymous said...

What idiot drives tens of thousands of dollars to a bank in his personal care. I know the town has an armored car service since I've personally seen it there. This is about as unsafe and careless as it gets!

Why in the world would you take bags of cash and checks from residents in a personal car? There's no security!

What the hell is this Rick guy thinking!

SCATS said...

To 1:04PM ~~ The question was whether or not the deadline had come yet. 1:35PM says it is tomorrow.

To 6:38PM ~~ Great question! I brought up using an armored car earlier. I've seen it there in the past, but can't say about during this administration.

Anonymous said...

I would guess that more then 90% of deposits are checks and armed service is not free....Bill needs to save money to pay for that expensive useless $50,000.00 sign and the lights for the unused skating rink.

Anonymous said...

There only one reason Rainbow Rick Antelli goes out of his way to make sure bags of cash are NOT handled by the town's bank guards and that he personally "takes care of it" himself. Can anyone guess what that might be? How long is Richie Rich AWOL from the tax office? How long does it take to make a deposit? Where does he park his luxury cars at town hall? Maybe inquiring minds should (in the interest of protecting poor Ricky boy from any would be robbers) help keep a watchful eye out at town hall. Problem is... you won't see Rainbow's cars there very often. He's very busy ridin' round town keeping all that cash hidden, er, uh... safe. Ya, that's it... and so forth.

Anonymous said...

I thought name calling was a no no on this blog. I guess it must depend on the targeted person which seems to be perfectly clear in this instance . By not sticking to published posting guidelines it tends to dimish is the creditability of this venue.

Let me be perfectly clear here. While I am no supporter of the present administration and its overall personnel and its policies it is what it is because members of this town perpetuate these policies year after year by placing control in the hands of those who continue to take advantage of those of us that continue to empower them.

That being said fair is fair and name calling in and it self does not and will not make a difference or change a thing. Only we as residents have the ability every two years to stop the continuation of a self serving administration and its agenda and lack of accountability to us as a result of their perceived and with good cause , invincibility to continue without fear of losing control over this town and it citizens who will continue to not hold them accountable with their power of the vote.

Anonymous said...

It's a delicate balancing act folks.
Is it more cost beneficial to King William to let Rainbow haul the deposit down to the bank on the corner, in the hope Rainbow will disappear like the Greece Cop hauling the Tax deposit did back in the 60s, or is it cost effective to hire an armored pickup costing around $100 a pickup?

Ricky does have the primo NoSho job at Town Hall, taxes are at best a couple months a year and Ricky gets paid for 12 months. At least when we got the current Town Hall the Tax counter was combined with the Clerk's counter so we should have saved a few employees.

SCATS said...

To 7:24AM ~~ We're just "re-Tweeting." LOL

To 11:23AM ~~ The $100 is well spent, especially in hindsight AFTER a heist.

Anonymous said...

TO: 11:23 I guess you have not been in TH lately. There is now a wall between the tax collector and the Clerk's counter. But we do have cameras all over the place to keep an eye on those nasty employees. BTW those cameras are watching those seniors, He is now blaming the old farts for stealing coffee from the senior lounge !!

Anonymous said...


While trying to keep my blood pressure under control, I wrote a check for my egregious property taxes today ....... The line in front of me, probably sixteen residents all appeared pissed as well. I observed only one person paying part of his tax bill in cash and that was only for the first installment, the rest used bank checks.
Is it possible that the general consensus is that we keep getting hosed while the payback in services and respect from our elected leaders is not in any way equitable given the revenue they take in? For starters, highest property and school taxes in the country!!!!!!!!! The property tax cap is a joke as it does absolutely nothing to reduce your tax bill. They will also never admit that your over-assessed property assessment is correct as they are all brain-washed and delusional.

Anonymous said...

To 5:40 paid mine by mail last week__________NO LINE

Anonymous said...

We should not forget the increase in our tax bill is the result of out of control fire districts that have no oversight.

Anonymous said...

5:40PM The town of Greece taxes are not the highest in the county. Irondequoit taxes are. Greece town tax rate per thousand has had a "ZERO" increase in three years. The rate is flat. Greece Fire Taxes are the highest in the county.

Anonymous said...

Anybody else notice with all the money pissed away on Town Hall the wooden chairs for taxpayers to wait on between the Clerk's counter and Assessor counter are chairs that were hauled there from old Town Hall at 2505 Ridge Rd W?

Willie Wonka needs to buy a clue. The coffee in the Senior Lounge is usable for varnish remover, nobody would steal it. Maybe he ought to waddle down and try a cup himself.

Anonymous said...

Paid my taxes from right here at the computer.
The cat was in line ahead of me and gave me shit about getting off Purina.com so I could pay the taxes, but the squirt bottle solved that.

Anonymous said...

This thread with 55 comments has changed subjects several times. So let's change the subject again. I would like to hear some thoughts on the new Town web site. I think Willy spent a lot of tax dollars and came up with the worst town web site on the county.
Must have used a Republican LLC !

Augiedogie said...

HRH William was just trying to make the Town's web site as stupid as his personal web sites are.
It's all part of the Hide in the Open style of government HRH subscribes to.

The frightening part is what was scrubbed from the Town's server to present the current pile of crap. One wonders if the King himself can navigate the new web site. Some ponder the possibility of hacking into the Town's Rainbow Sign and putting up a readable message. Maybe SCATS can sponsor a contest to hack the sign.

In other news, is SlushPond frozen so taxpayers can slip and slide on it? How many ripples are in the ice because of wind? Will His Royal Highass leave the roads covered in snow so the Highway guys can erect a wind fence and clear snow off the ice?

Miss me yet?
Auggie
At a Funeral Home near you.
Seniors welcome for free coffee

Anonymous said...

I don't live in Greece but I know Rick and he is enjoyable to talk to. He always has interesting stories. Now anyone that knows him knows most of what he tells is made up but he is interesting and entertaining. Most that know him take what he tells with a grain of salt, then you check and double check and say, "he got me again, I almost believed him!"

SCATS said...

To 5:36PM ~~ Let's allow the kids at RIT to hack the system. They've got the tools.

Anonymous said...

To 2:32 The calendar on the web site is a joke. The Towns calendar is actually a community center calendar with one board meeting listed. Making it just a little harder for The average joe to find what is really important. And what about the huge picture of snow by a previous town councilman, nice distraction!

Anonymous said...

Has anyone else seen the facebook page "Greece NY Crime"? There's a post from February 1st from a young woman who says Rick Antelli came to her home at night to drop off a refund check. I don't know how to copy/paste the post here but she says she wasn't home and he gave the check to her boyfriend.

I've never heard of something like this and definitely do not think it is a practice the town should be doing. She initially thought is was a scam, that it was the Town Supervisor and that the man was driving a town-owned vehicle but she was very concerned about the whole situation.

I'm certainly older now but when I was younger, if a man came to my house at night claiming he was from the government and wanted to give me something it would have scared the holy heck out of me.

Two years ago I overpaid on my taxes and the town contacted me saying I had to come down and pick up my overpayment. Mr. Antelli didn't come to my house and drop off a refund check.

But like I said, I'm much older than this attractive young lady whose house he went to at night.

SCATS said...

To 7:14AM ~~ The entire website is pretty much a joke! It's mostly useless info.

To 8:42 AM ~~ Whatever entry you saw has apparently been scrubbed clean (deleted). I checked both Twitter & FB.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know a NARCISSIST in the Town of Greece ? --- Someone defined with personality or mental disorder in which one has an inflated sense of his own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind the mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

Anonymous said...

I am sure everyone saw the front page of the newspaper Thursday. It seems that King Bill is a little bit less than righteous? How does someone be a party chairman and a town leader all at the same time? Where are his priorities? Did he accept any of the donations in question? Were these people at his fund raisers? Will he return donations that were made?
My thoughts are maybe he should resign.
Hopefully the town doesn't get yet another black eye?

SCATS said...

To 7:58PM ~~ There are quite a few to choose from ...

To 8:33PM ~~ I'm not sure we've ever fully recovered from the black eyes during the Rahn/Auberger scandals, since Auggie got away with it all and everyone knows it. Not to mention the fact that other punches have come our way since then ... and continue to come. Closed, corrupt & clubby ... that's us!

Anonymous said...

You guys are missing what's right out in sight.
The King is
Town Supervisor
County Chairman of the R Party
AND
State Vice Chair of the R Party

Willie be the King who can handle it and collect 3 checks.

You gotta wonder who the hand up the King's rump making his Royal Mouth move belongs to. Willie is like Wilbur on the Mr Ed TV show. Without the horse he's just an empty suit.

Anonymous said...

To 9:31 Could it be Queen M ?

Anonymous said...

9:31 M is definitely NOT a Queen, not even a Princess.

M was the creation of Tom Cook as was King Willie.

The question of the name of the current Kingmaker is known but to a very few, and they damn sure ain't talking. In knowledgeable circles downtown "King" Willie is known by other names. The reality is Willie is but a messenger boy/bagman between the King Maker and those seeking approval.

Anonymous said...

To 2/12 7:58: Are you talking about the Town tax guy Rick Antelli? He's driving around Greece in his town truck with bags full of taxpayer cash telling everyone who will listen that he's going to be the next Stupidvisor. Try saying that out load and not laughing your friggin' butt off!

Anonymous said...

Don't Pick on Rick!

He's very busy driving his red snow plow truck over to 299 Swamp Road in the Town of Sweeden to plow the driveway and parking lot of HotRod Ranch. He also has to plow the parking lot of his shopping center in North Greece.