Monday, June 01, 2015

GREECE COP SHOOTS SUICIDAL MAN AT MALL


Greece police shoot & kill a man they were searching for outside Sears at the Mall at Greece Ridge. The suspect had a gun, but it was unknown whether or not it was loaded at the time. He was involved in some sort of confrontation with police.





School Resource Officer, Eric Hughes

44 comments:

Anonymous said...

A real class move by the chief wearing a baseball cap at a news conference..no wonder greece is what it is!!!

Anonymous said...

Dumb assessment, most cops wear baseball hats. If you are going to post please post something positive or worth reading

Anonymous said...

He never had class to begin. Ask anyone who knows him.

Anonymous said...

I would like to hear more details but this seemed to go down awfully fast.

Anonymous said...

Hughes is another dirty Greece cop who should have been fired years ago. There's a good reason he wasn't made Sergeant even after Baxter promised him the job. It will take years to weed out the stink. Suggestion, start at the top!

SCATS said...

To 11:36AM ~~ Actually, as soon as I saw that silly cap on his head, I commented to my friend. It DOES look unprofessional for a chief! Better to have NO hat at all than to wear that one.

BTW, it is up to SCATS to decide what gets posted, or not. Your criteria is fine for YOUR OWN BLOG ;)

To 12:13PM ~~ I'm not sure class has anything to do with the incident, since it didn't involve him.

To 12:14PM ~~ Indeed it did. Almost as fast as that Youtube video has been made to disappear!

To 12:19PM ~~ I'm wondering how he did a day's work at a school as an SRO then got involved at the mall in looking for a missing person. Was he assigned OT?

Anonymous said...

Officer Hughes is a fine officer who I have known for yrs. He is one of the most professional and respectful officers you will find. To 12:14 yes this did go down fast as most incidents of this nature do. There is time for split second decisions and yrs of training and judgement to kick in. It is easy for an people to Monday morning quarterback without all the facts. How about we wait to make judgements once all the facts are known.

SCATS said...

To 1:50PM ~~ This is Greece, NY. The only facts that will come out are the ones they want us to know! That is the history of GPD ... and our DA. That doesn't mean there isn't more to the story.

Anonymous said...

I'll refrain from commenting on the incident until we have the facts, but on the hat issue I'll give the guy the benefit of the doubt since he was standing in the rain.

SCATS said...

To 3:50PM ~~ They have rain covers for the more professional hats ;)

Anonymous said...

I'll respond by agreeing with 1:50 and 3:50 (sans rain) comments. Those of us who don't know what it means to do their job every day have no reasonable ability to comment on what happened, why, or how in a general commentary. I have known Officer Hughes for many years as well as many Police Officers in many jurisdictions... He like nearly all in many other professions, are honorable, respectful, and decent people trying to make a living doing the best they can. When public opinion is driven by the improper actions of the few bad apples in prior incidences and that bias is then applied to every subsequent incident, it becomes the same form of discriminatory bias in which everyone screams foul. I ask for a two way discussion regarding Police action vs. civilian action. Both sides have a duty to respect the other side of the interaction. When I hear the public demand "why", "how", and "explain" from a law enforcement agency, I want the same questions asked of, and honestly answered, and then corroborated, by the victims past acquaintances - school records, sealed criminal and family courts, teachers, counselors, public assistance officials, landlords, neighbors, and etc. Solving the current violence crisis in this Country requires a two way conversation! The blame is not on Law Enforcement exclusively, nor is it a race issue, IT IS A BEHAVIOR ISSUE!!!

Anonymous said...

I do not know how the GPD book of general orders addresses proper wearing of the organizations uniform. However wearing of the uniform cap when outdoors is generally accepted as SOP in any quasi military organization. Not trying to stir it up but I have seen the Chief in the public view recently as well as on television and truthfully he looks like an unmade bed as do many of his officers. Shoes that look like they were shined with a hershey bar, no tie and pants with no crease does not project the image of a quiet professional Police Department. Leadership starts at the top. Uniform attire should be properly worn, grooming standards enforced and in my opinion tattoos if allowed, should not be visible to the public when on duty. These are all indicators of a well disciplined organization. We are paying for this police department and do not deserve any less.

SCATS said...

To 5:27PM ~~ Yup, it is BEHAVIOR. Was it learned under Rahn? That's absolutely a fair question. Those who remain in GPD after that reign of ignorance are suspect since they did NOTHING to stop the MISBEHAVIOR under Rahn's watch.

To 6:25PM ~~ Agreed 100%! Phelan looked and ACTED (behavior) extremely uncomfortably at the press conferance today. Too much deep sighing ... I got the impression he was being forced to be there. Was Reilich watching?

Anonymous said...

Reilich should have been watching since he's responsible for making him chief despite his lack of integrity. Reflects poorly on Reilich.

Anonymous said...

General orders in most police departments are long sleeve shirt and a break away tie in cold months. During defined dates in the summer, short sleeve shirts and open collar, never wear a tie with short sleeves. On a side note an oxymoron is a short sleeved dress shirt, no such thing.
RPD for one did away with the regulation of wearing a hat in the 70's or early 80's. The only department in this region that still wears cover are the NYS police and those are stetsons. I would suspect the time period to wear short sleeve and open collar has been lengthened since they now wear bullet proof vests and they tend to be hot.

Anonymous said...

Funny how the whole video doesn't show up on your blog. Typical.

SCATS said...

To 9:23PM ~~ What's "typical" is your uninformed ASSumption. The "whole video" has been REMOVED FROM YOUTUBE, not just this BLOG. Maybe the owner doesn't want to have to respond to GPD. Phelan stated he wants to talk to that person.

Anonymous said...

The "whole" video is all over the news sights. It shows from beginning to end not just the one sided version that you had posted

Anonymous said...

Retired a few years ago from GPD. Unfortunately, not before I witnessed Phelan cover for his buddies and disembowel the officers he didn't like. Hopefully Officer Hughes is a friend.

SCATS said...

To 5:48AM ~~ On Monday, the "whole video" that was posted all over news sites was EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE ONE WE POSTED. The one you are talking about wasn't released until Phelan's press conference at 4PM Tuesday afternoon. PLEASE TRY TO KEEP UP!

To 8:49AM ~~ How many would you say he disemboweled?

Anonymous said...

And the comments are more concerned with what the cops are supposed to wear...

Yep that says it all.

Anonymous said...

The comment regarding the "Whole video" was posted 5.5 hrs after the second video was released on the news. My point is how one sided you are. As long as it makes the cop look bad you will post it.

Anonymous said...

When are the riots scheduled?

Will we be looting the Mall?

Will parking tickets be issued for parking our trucks in the Fire Lanes?

SCATS said...

To 2PM ~~ When it comes to GPD, nobody has to work to make them look bad. They do it quite nicely all by themselves. Welfare check anyone?? Oh wait! They shoot those people. Nevermind ...

SCATS said...

To 1:47PM ~~ It wouldn't have happened under his predecessor who pushed for the "most professional" ... remember? ;)

Anonymous said...

I have 2 questions: 1. Phelan said at news conference that the victim possibly put his foot on the gas pedal and that's why car moved. Now I'm not an investigator but doesn't this car have a console between the seats which would make it next to impossible to reach your leg over being you are the passenger? 2. He also said the victim had taken a lot of Xanax, thought he said as many as 25. That amount of Xanax would put you to sleep or maybe even a coma as it is an anti anxiety drug. It calms you down and makes you sleepy, drowsy, yet the chief was talking as if victim was aggressive. Would like to hear the girlfriends version before I believe the police. Don't believe for a second it was suicide by cop.

SCATS said...

To 5PM ~~ Agreed. There's a LOT of things Phelan said that seem strange. For instance, he didn't know whether or not the victim had pulled his gun! He promised release of the 911 tape yesterday afternoon. WHERE IS IT??

Anonymous said...

The audio is on the D&C website.

SCATS said...

To 5:55PM ~~ Yup, more than 24 hours later!

Anonymous said...

TO SCATS 7:41pm So What! Let them do the investigation. If you hear it today or tomorrow, what difference does it really make? They have more important things to do than play an audio tape for everyone in there parents basement to hear.

SCATS said...

To 8:01PM ~~ "So what" ~~ It goes to credibility, something GPD has little of.

Anonymous said...

I remember our secretary of state saying "What difference does it make ?" four patriots and an ambassador killed by terrorists under questionable circumstances. Just so you get it an ambassador to a foreign country has the same status as a flag officer in the military. What difference does it make, a police officer took a life all of the circumstances surrounding the incident should be made transparent and available to the public. Civilian lives matter just as much as public servant lives matter.

SCATS said...

To 11:38AM ~~ Excellent response! I'd think twice before calling GPD to intervene when a family member or friend with mental health issues needs help. This is the second high profile case since last fall where GPD comes across as a little too trigger-happy.

Anonymous said...

SCATs how would you . suggest the officer while being dragged by the car respond under those conditions . ..? You Monday morning QB,S are the height of absolute ignorance No wonder you don't want any one to know who you are . The good thing is that you few are just that you few and not the thinking of responsible citizens of Greece.

SCATS said...

To 2:09PM ~~ The BIGGER question is, why did he INSERT the top half of his body into the car in the first place? Was he stuck? Was he being held there? If not, why didn't he pull out?

If you watch the videos, which I've done several times, it is quite notable that the "dragging" happened WHEN THE BACK-UP CAR ARRIVED AND CLOSED-IN. Maybe too much aggression on the part of all concerned in GPD resulted in an unnecessary death. My God, the chief couldn't even say whether or not the victim drew his gun, attempted to draw it, fired it, etc. He didn't know! SAD!!

Anonymous said...

Why does it take two clips to commit suicide? One in the gun and another in his pocket? I think that's like what? 20 rounds at least! If you're that bad a putting a gun in your mouth and swallowing one bullet, then you're either a really bad shot at point blank range or MAY HAVE OTHER INTENTIONS. Secondarily, ask yourself, why is it necessary for the accomplice to drive your ass to the Mall? OOOOH, I got that answer, more targets for all the other rounds housed in two clips... Hughes is a hero now... Right?! Especially if one of your kids or spouses are in the Sears entrance area!

SCATS said...

To 6:40PM ~~ Similarly, OJ had a driver while he sat in the back with a gun & lots of ammo. Hughes is no hero at this point. Time will tell ...

Anonymous said...

I don't believe the cop wanted hero status. He just wanted to survive and go home to his family. In that effort he wa s successful and that all that really matters.

SCATS said...

To 6:49PM ~~ Let's hope no one in YOUR FAMILY ever requires a "welfare check" by GPD.

Anonymous said...

6:40, 6/4, You sound like an idiot. We will never know the whole story because cops will only tell you what they want to justify their actions. In my opinion no cop is a hero unless he saved someone's life. Sick of hearing people say "everyday cops put their life on the line", really. Also, have you seen what these guys are getting paid out here with our tax money? Most are in the 100,000-150,000 range with free health care, unlimited sick time, and very generous pensions. Look them up on the town payroll. I would like to thank SCATS for this forum to discuss town issues, especially police issues. Unless you have been screwed over by them you can never imagine how evil they can be.

SCATS said...

To 9:22PM ~~ You are MOST welcome! Thankfully, my family & I have avoided getting screwed over ... so far.

I agree that the whole idea of what makes one a "hero" these days is watered down. In reality, being a cop is less dangerous than many types of construction jobs.

Anonymous said...

The police Unions nationwide love to push the bs that they are here to protect us. Really well if you are here to protect me then I should be entitled to damages when you don't. The truth is that Police Agencies have no duty to protect anyone individually. Their job is law enforcement that is to protect government. If they are able to intervene on your behalf that is all well and good but their job is to arrest the person who assaults or kills you or burglarizes your house etc. Policing changed in the late 70's early 80's when "Officer Safety" became the watchword of the day civilian and citizen safety ain't mentioned much. Command presence has degenerated into screaming orders at a subject as loud possible. Funny the old timers could take control of a situation and rarely had to do that maybe times have changed but not that much. The politicians also saw the opportunity to use police as revenue agents by having them write lots of citations to ramp up revenue generation kinda like red light cameras. People don't like red light cameras. Police are necessary for good order in a civilized society but the public needs to know what the real deal is not the bs that is shoveled by the FOP, local unions and, politicians.

Anonymous said...

My friend has been the victim of the GPD filing a false criminal report. Anyone know a good lawyer?

SCATS said...

To 10:32AM ~~ You might want to locate one from out of the area to ensure they aren't party to the politics & good ole boy network.