Sunday, April 19, 2015

Are You Smarter Than A 4th Grader?

Try your hand at some sample questions from the 4th grade Common Core math test


Anonymous said...

NYS is currently accepting comments regarding common core and the new teacher evaluation system (which is based heavily on these common core tests).

SCATS said...

To 2:15PM ~~ I have no problem with standardized testing. It's a part of education, has been for decades!

IMHO, parents who "opt out" are raising a bunch of severely spoiled (and shielded) brats who won't realize the value of doing something that is hard! They are also allowing themselves to be used as tools by the teacher's union.

We won't be engaging in discussion over the pros & cons of this testing. We posted the quiz to show everyone what the expectations are, period.

Anonymous said...

100%, did not seem difficult, but then I am 60 years old. I wonder how this compares to what I learned in 4th grade.

SCATS said...

To 5:14PM ~~ I missed one, due to misreading the question.

I do think these problems require the student to really know the material. Guessing won't help.

Anonymous said...

Been 65 years since 4th grade, and I only scored 100.

I will absolutely state that is a piss poor representation of a math test, and doubly so given the age group the test is being administered to. It is more of a language skills test given the terms used and heavy weighting toward reading the question and knowing the referenced term, several of which were not in use during my educational years.
The construction of the test creates 2 chances to fail for a student with poor reading ability.

I wonder if this test was written to facilitate employment of greater numbers of Special Ed and Remedial "teacher" positions.

The actual math involved isn't a whole lot different from 6x5-8= back in 1950, and should be easily achievable by 4th grade students given they all employ calculators. The wording indicates at least 3 trips to the "New Math" supply cabinet since I left school.

I would bet Schools like St Lawrence outscore GCSD across the board on the results.

Anonymous said...

To 6:47
Comparsions to St. Lawrence is to compare apples to oranges.
Public schools have to accept EVERY ONE. Parochial and Charter schools select their students. They do not have special need studetns and they have envolved parents.
Public school test results are a summary of ALL enrolled students.
I would expect their scores to be higher.


Doug Skeet

Anonymous said...

Regardless of the pros and cons of the common core curriculum, the teachers union had absolutely nothing to do with why my kids are not taking the tests.

Anonymous said...

Yet, this test that is used to rate a teachers ability is normalized how? Relies upon what level of participation by the students in specific classroom how? And relies on Math and ELA to rate teachers not involved in those content areas How? And we are observing that the optouts appear to be the students with the higher GPA's in the classrooms! What statistical reference can be inferred if the top 10 to 20 percentile opt out, the questions and reference curves are biased at 1 to 2 grade levels above the grade level testing norms? It's unfair, biased, and POLITICAL - Not about Education.

Anonymous said...

SCATS, you're missing the point. The problem isn't standardized testing it's the actual tests. Having read through most of the common core standards from elementary to high school, I feel that the curriculum is pretty good. The issue is with the tests themselves, from who's writing them to how they're being used.

39 million of your tax dollars have gone to Pearson education, a private corporation, just to write these tests. Traditionally it has been up to the districts to create these sort of exams. Now, the people writing them are contracted out, make approximately $10-15 an hour and don't have any sort of education experience at all. Pearson makes huge profits and has a very strong lobby (get rid of one lobby, get another...) The poor quality of the tests is the real issue here. The tests that they actually administer (the one's that you cannot see because of the "gag order") are far removed from the curriculum and filled with tons of "gotcha" questions. I've proctored these exams and know.

The students prepare thinking that they're going to be tested on one set of expectations, x,y, and z, and in reality it's a,b, and c. That's why the students are getting very frustrated. Really what's the point to these tests? The students grade on these tests have absolutely no influence on where they are placed academically, or their future. They aren't allowed to see the test after they have taken it so there's no opportunity to reflect on where they went wrong. All they are used for is to rank high schools and teacher evaluations. Millions of dollars just for that. Standardized tests are fine, but there's a better way to rank high schools and teacher evaluations that don't cost you and me huge bucks that's been done for decades!

SCATS said...

To 4:52PM, 6PM & 6:20PM ~~ The unions have been p*ssing & moaning about these tests AND about how "unfair" it is to judge their poor members on the outcome for 2+ years now! Yup, the parents of many of the higher achieving students opted out. Why? Because the unions have spread all sorts of ridiculous and in some cases threatening info about how little Johnnie & Susie will end up stressed out & needing antidepressants because the tests are too hard!


Doing things that are hard is what builds character, something few union shills know much about.

Because we will NOT allow this site to become another outlet for union propganda, NO more discussion about the pros & cons of the testing will be posted. Find some other angle to discuss if you want it posted.

Anonymous said...

The Board got three candidates to run for Board.
Richard Cunningham
Joe Grinnan
Emmy Thevanesan

SCATS said...

To 7:45AM ~~ TY for that info. I was under the impression that April 29th was the deadline. However, I see a Candidate's Night is planned on the 27th ... odd if there are only 3 candidates to choose from!

Let's hope and pray someone decides to run a write-in campaign! The last thing Greece Central needs are more Richard Cunningham types on the Bored With Education panel.

On a different note, there's absolutely NOTHING that brings out the very worst Greece Central has to offer than to try to shutdown union politics! Every time you folks spew your venom, your TRUE COLORS appear. Lucky for you, we won't be posting that kind of crapple on here. Does it make you proud??

Anonymous said...

Mr Skeets, thank you for confirming the problems facing greece public schools in terms of student performance.

Anonymous said...

Everything I've seen on these tests so far (and I haven't seen as much as teachers have, of course, but various sources online have a plethora of examples) indicate that they are tough but fair.

Every complaint I heave read so far focuses on the presence of a few above-grade-level passages, and a few vocabulary words that are a stretch for some students, but from what I've seen that is part of the design of the system, and a healthy thing.

The reading difficulty is supposed to span a band of complexity from below grade level to above grade level, to help assess where a student stands relative to expectations. Something for everybody.

And the principal value of the tests is for parents, to judge whether they are satisfied with how their kids are doing, and perhaps also whether they are satisfied with where their kids are attending (for those who have choices).

I bet lots of parents who transfer their A-average kids from GSCD to private schools are surprised that their kids start out behind their new peers (I know a few families who have struggled with that transition, e.g. from Odyssey to McQuaid). These tests provide early warning that kids aren't doing as well as their report cards say they are. Early detection and early intervention leads to better outcomes.

SCATS said...

To 9:48PM ~~ TY for bringing up some very important points that have been lost in the arguments. Historically, standardized tests display a wide range of material. I can remember reading through some tough stories on reading comprehension tests when I was a kid. Unlike Greece classrooms, these tests challenge the upper end of the academic spectrum & that's something of value if education is actual the focus.

Anonymous said... Not smarter than a 4th grader. The word is libel not slander. Free library? This guy hasn't seen my tax bill. If this person represents the Town of Greece and the public library I may have to reconsider donating to this library. Has Mr. Reilic approved this response?

SCATS said...

To 8:13AM ~~ You may want to reconsider "donating" to the library either way. Ask yourself, why isn't our library FULLY FUNDED via our taxes, when we pay among the highest taxes in the USA?? Also ask yourself, are you OK with having your donated books culled so that certain book dealers can purchase them on the side, instead of having them placed for sale with all the others? In reality, certain other books are Ebayed!

When you donate those used books to a Greece library they may never be seen by Greece residents at a book sale.