Thursday, March 19, 2015

Special Election Costs GCSD Big $$'s





On March 24th, voters will march to the polls in Greece to vote on three Capital Improvement Projects in a "Special Vote."

Many people have questioned the need for holding a separate, "special" vote, given the cost of doing so.

How much does it really cost
to hold a Special Vote? 

PLENTY!!

Here's a noncomprehensive list of the things the Greece Central School District expended money on to make next Tuesday's vote possible:

  • Opening the polls, paying poll workers, signage, etc. ~~  $30,000+ ... easily!
  • Paid, legal advertising required by law in two local newspapers ~~ Pricey, these ads require several full pages each!!
  • Additional paid legal ads in Greece Post for 2 weeks ~~ $$$ (Not sure why they did this!)
  • Promotional video ~~ totally discretionary, but costly!
  • 8-page color, glossy mailer ~~ also discretionary
  • Several (at least three) postcard type mailers ~~ Discretionary; postage isn't cheap even at nonprofit rates

We estimate the cost to taxpayers for next week's Special Election to be in the 
$100,000 range!

Would this money have been better spent 
IN THE CLASSROOM?

YES!!

17 comments:

SCATS said...

Unless you can SHOW US the cost is much different, please don't bother attempting to argue the point. We believe our estimate is conservative.

Anonymous said...

It appears that the district went out of their way to ensure voters they had as much info as possible. I wonder what the response would be here if those discretionary items had not been done.i will accept your estimate as there are no facts that I am aware of to either support or disprove your estimate.

SCATS said...

To 12:36PM ~~ Yes, inundate them with garbage, that's the GCSD way. You'd think they would at least know as much as George Hubbard, but they did NOT! And with all of that "effort" the senior citizens down south until April received NO NOTICE, because the mailings aren't forwarded.

Our position has always been that the vote on CIP projects should have been COMBINED WITH THE BUDGET VOTE in May.

As for our estimates, around 7 years ago, the BOE asked the clerk for the cost of opening the polls on vote day. The cost was pegged to be around $30,000. Much has changed since then, including the fact we now PAY HIRED POLL WORKERS, instead of using the volunteers we had at that time.

The cost of paper, printing, postage and advertising have all risen significantly, as have the salaries of those who work to create, print and mail advertising/propoganda.

Anonymous said...

there was no cost for the video. It was created in-house by existing employees.

SCATS said...

To 5:08PM ~~ LMAO!!! No cost? Surely you must jest!! Employee SALARIES are the biggest chuck of the district budget's pie graph!! They didn't make it for "free."

Charlie Hubbard said...

You ask - what is the cost of having this vote.
Answer - it doesn't matter.
At the Feb. presentation at Athena I asked that specific question. There were 4 or 5 administrators being asked with NO answer available. A month later I went to the presentation at Arcadia to see if the cost of the vote was going to be supplied although I did not ask again. When I was asked by a board member if I was going to support the proposals - I answered by asking what the cost of the vote was - they did not know. HOW IN HE## can you approve having an extra vote without knowing the cost? THAT is irresponsible!!! I have no reason to believe that the cost mattered to the board or administration. I made it very clear to the board member that if you did not know the cost prior to voting on having this vote I can have little confidence in the content of the proposals. So much for school board members representing the taxpayers. It most certainly is a lousy way to do business.

SCATS said...

To Charlie ~~ You will love this little item of info I have to share. On the news tonight, I saw teachers in Spencerport on the news. They were marching with signs in a protest against testing students. Much to my wondering eyes, it APPEARS that one of GCSD's very own BOE members with a long union background was among the group of protesting teachers !!!

I don't know why I should be surprised by anything any more, but it should be SHAMEFUL to be him.

Charlie Hubbard said...

The message from the school board is - we believe having a vote on this proposal is so important that we believe holding this vote 7 weeks before the mandatory budget vote that we vote yes to having this special emergency vote and we don't care what it costs.
Another message from the board is - it is ok with us that administration can bring forth proposals with NO cost attached - the cost doesn't matter as long as it 'feels' good.
Another message coming from this board to the community by agreeing with administration that members of the community are not 'capable' of understanding the items in the proposal if voted on along side the budget in May.
THIS is not the type of conduct that breeds 'trust'.

SCATS said...

To Charlie ~~ To our BOE, trust is a 4-letter word.

Anonymous said...

Why are you people so worried about this special vote.
Your arguments are moot at best. If people really cared about school district spending, how do you explain the declining number of those turning out to vote for the past several years, 2800 or so last year out of 58,000. What makes you think the Tuesday turn out will be any different inspite of the fact that these proposition are being presented as a stand alone vote up or down. I think anyone who will be voting Tuesday will be fully informed of the implications of what they are voting on due to the district's attempts to get them informed and encouraging them to show up and vote on the 24th

SCATS said...

To 2:08PM ~~ Maybe you are right. Then again, Greece Central has been HEADLINE NEWS every night for almost two weeks straight! Name another district that has ever had that kind of run of bad news? Sexual predators in the classroom? Bullies in the bathroom? Strange adults going for a morning bus ride? GIVE ME A BREAK!!!! Even the City schools don't get this much bad press in this short of a period of time!! The last thing Greece Central needs is another venue for TROUBLE.

Charlie Hubbard said...

to 2:08 (anonymous)
The answer to your question is the 'tax cap'.
Your comment about the voters being 'fully informed' is garbage and been demonstrated on this site many times.
Perhaps you can help by telling us #1 what is the cost of this vote? #2 why was it needed 7 weeks prior to the mandatory budget vote?

Anonymous said...

mr Hubbard your missing the point entirely here. As I see it and based on the turn out numbers nobody with the possible exception of you gives hoot in hell about the COSTS of this vote or for that matter the cost of anything concerning anything in this town. They simply don't care anymore so they stay home. It's pathetic but it's the truth.
He'll towns with a fraction of the population of Greece turn out more voters than our measly 2800. In this case the proof lies within these numbers.

SCATS said...

To 3:15PM ~~ That's a peeing contest that can't be settled until the final numbers are in next Tuesday night. Until then, know this: I'm told record numbers of people requested absentee ballots this time. Perhaps GCSD has once again awakened the sleeping dragon.

Anonymous said...

That may be true but to what eventual outcome.i n the past the Greece republicans used the absentee ballots to their advantage by making sure those supporters who were disabled and could not get to polls got absentee ballots to these people for medical reasons. It is pretty well known that some long standing influential Republican leaders are supporting the stadium project. This may account for the increase in numbers for a school district vote. If this is happening for the this upcoming vote, only those supporting their line of thinking will have gotten those ballots.

Anonymous said...

For two weeks running, Greece has been headline news. Bad news. Every night. Scats @2:23 is correct. We need a new place for trouble like we need another school on NYS's troubled schools list. There's so much more need in the classroom that's gone unfulfilled. My vote is nay!

SCATS said...

To 5:33PM ~~ I thought you weren't going to post here, or even read this BLOG, any more, Joe!