Friday, February 27, 2015

GPD Turns Over Holiday Inn Arson Case To DA


Grand Jury May Get Evidence

DA Sandra Doorley says there is a target of the investigation and sources tell News10NBC that target is current Ridge Road Fire Chief Harold "Bud" Phillips. 

Ridge Road Fire Chief Harold "Bud" Phillips

18 comments:

Anonymous said...

This case never goes to the grand jury due to lack of enough evidence to make a prima facia case against anyone. Doorley is no fool. Just the fact that she stated it could take a few months to go over the results of the GPD
investigation should be an indication of things to come.
indictments are one thing, winning the case is another.
If she moves forward and someone is charged, any lawyer worth his salt will file a motion to the trial judge to dismiss due to insufficient evidence. No judge is
going to allow a case to move foreward without meeting the required burden of proof. End of story and end of an investigation into a crime that never was.
Logic tells me that if the GPD was confident in their evidence, they would have made an arrest. Instead they choose to hand off the ball to the DA instead placing that burden on that office and not the Town of Greece. It makes a big difference in Civil Court.

SCATS said...

To 6:55AM ~~ IN YOUR DREAMS!!

Baxter told us LONG AGO the results of a lab test was needed BEFORE SENDING IT TO THE DA/Grand Jury.

If your statement (" No judge is
going to allow a case to move foreward without meeting the required burden of proof.") were true, no case would EVER be lost "due to insufficient evidence." In reality, many are! The purpose of a JURY is to determine that, in part ;)

Anonymous said...

You continue to believe what Baxter said. At the time he knew he was leaving and said anything to satisfy the media.
Lab tests on what. Why did it take 36 yrs to get this done. And don't tell me about new methodology as that us pure crapple
I'd like to see the chain of evidence documentation on a substance on the shelf for 36 yr the grand jury onlymakes. Decisions on probable cause nothing more. That's like ruling that probable cause exists that a Ham Sandwich has spoiled while in the Fridge.
And yes, indictments have been handed down based solely on circumstantial evidence. The conviction rates in these cases are less than stellar. In fact most result in not guilty jury decisions. But it would be good to remember that this incident deals with 10 counts of homicide. Try to imagine the media hype on this one then factor in the fact that does The DA want try a case of this magnitude just based on circumstantial evidence without any evidence that would tie a defendant to the opportunity , means and motive to commit these crimes. I seriously doubt that especially during an election year. DREAM ON.

SCATS said...

To 11:47AM ~~ The only ones full of crapple are those who don't try to keep up!

Nov. 2012 ~~ Todd Baxter stated: "Now there's some additional testing that we wanted to do and is currently being done by the ATF off-site that's being done down south where they're doing a series of controlled burns for example, just to eliminate all possible other reasons. But the experts have told us and they're willing to testify in court that this is an arson fire."

He did NOT know he was leaving 2 years prior to Reilich's election!

You can doubt all you like BUT your "facts" need checking.

As you ALREADY ADMIT, cases CAN BE TRIED based upon circumstantial evidence.

You state he had no means, motive, etc. How would YOU KNOW unless you were him, or his lawyer??? You wouldn't/don't!!

How do YOU KNOW there's "no evidence?" Again you don't!

As for 36 yrs. ... it's called POLITICS, CRONYISM, etc.

Anonymous said...

it is a waste of taxpayers money, they won't get a conviction any evidence they had is long gone (if they had any since 36 years ago arson investigations were primitive at best)

Anonymous said...

Bud should have the fireman out shoveling the hydrants. What else are they doing? Sitting around waiting for a house fire?? That happens about twice a year. Oh that's right they are chasing EMS calls. Always first in at everyone's expense.

SCATS said...

To 4:22PM ~~ I was thinking that same thing recently. They USED TO DO OUR neighborhood's when things were slow in previous heavy snowfall winters.

SCATS said...

There are certain comments being withheld pending review for a variety of things.

At least one will NEVER SEE the light of day for name-calling. Another faces the same problem, because the nasty, mouthy COMPLAINER posted it on the WRONG THREAD which is why he can't find his previous comment that he believed was axed!

Joe M said...

Based on my personal experience in the initial investigation, I do not believe that after 36 yrs, these new investigators could find that which we couldn't find, definite evidence of arson, any evidence connecting Phillips to the fire as well as witnesses to that fact.
Phillips became a suspect only because he was first on the scene and called it in and was a fireman at the time.
In my opinion, the fact that the PD has chosen to turn what they got over to the DA is simply, " here is what we got. We have exhausted all other possibilities and gone as far as we can go". Look at it, and you( the DA) make the decision as to arrest and prosecution of the suspect. It s as simple as that as they pass the buck to her office to make the final decision which either way it goes will finally bring closure to this tragedy.

SCATS said...

To Joe M ~~ Wow!! I got heart palpitations!! I actually AGREE with your last paragraph!!!!

It's what should have been done LONG, LONG ago ... let the Grand Jury decide.

Anonymous said...

Cases get send to the DA every day. That's why you know this was a Relic maneuver to deter the Pignato issue. Doorley is now his puppet.

SCATS said...

To 10:24AM ~~ You made a great point! Sounds spot-on.

Joe M said...

In reality , in my closing sentence of my previous post,I talk about the outcome of the DA's decision bringing closure to this tragedy. This not totally accurate.The only way this could happen is a decision to prosecute , a grand jury indictment, trial and conviction of the individual charged with the crime.
If as I suspect will happen, the DA refuses to prosecute due to lack of sufficient evidence to gain a conviction,will result in one closure. The official end of the investigation of the alledged crimes . What will remain is the lasting stain on this community of the deaths of ten people at the hands of a mass murderer.This fact will forever result in a black mark against this town as long the incident carries the Arson-Murder label and will remain as an open case in the Cold Case File. While this fact remains, there can never be real closure and will haunt this town forever.

SCATS said...

To Joe M ~~ IMHO, this community deserves that black mark for allowing the continued corruption under multiple administrations.

My God, if we couldn't rid ourselves of Auggie after the stunts he pulled, then we deserve all that comes our way.

Joe M said...

I tend to agree when you inject the politics of this town into the equation .It has been a contributing factor with regard to all the bad publicity generated by those who are in charge. It's been the case for the 60 yrs I have lived and worked in this town. Sadly, I don't see any reason to believe that this trend will end anytime soon. That kind of audacity by administration after administration has led to the belief of invincibility without accountability by one party in this town. The appropriate cliche to describe the political atmosphere of this town is POWER CORRUPTS,
ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY,

SCATS said...

To Joe M ~~ OMG!! We've agreed twice. This MUST STOP!!!

Anonymous said...

SCATS 6:04pm I couldn't agree more with you. Corrupt administration in the town after another. This Holiday Inn fire has been held up for 37 years. Finally we get an administration that said enough is enough and after 37 years now in 14 months they have brought this to the DA for prosecution. They did what most thought would not be done. SCATS FINALLY!

Joe M said...

10:46 While you agree with my comment and make some good points, I must disagree with your conclusion regarding the acts of the present administration.
The fact is, they really had no choice. They had been literally been backed into a corner by previous comments coming from former town officials as well as the emergence of pressure from the survivors of the victims.
I can assure you that had not there been publicity in the Canadian media about this fire a short time ago and the subsequent questions raised by relatives of those who died that night, this case would have remained dead as a door nail in the cold case file with nobody working on it.
Former chief Baxter drove in the final nail with his comments about further testing being done on a suspected substance,Then several remarks by the new chief indicating that his investigators were a few months away from completion of their investigation.
So basically my point is this. I would not be so quick to applaud this current administration with saying as you put it enough is enough an indication they decided to do what previous leaders failed to do. They simply had no choice but to press forward. There an old saying in the progression of Greece administration as they change the guard every so often and it goes like this.
IF THE VOTERS DON't THINK ITS NOT BROKEN, DON'T FIX IT BUT MOST OF ALL DONT ROCK THE BOAT.