Thursday, January 22, 2015

Now We Know Why Baxter Is Gone!


Greece Town Supervisor Bill Reilich to Greece Police Chief Pat Phelan:

"I want more Mayberry and less CSI."

(source)

SCATS ~~ I believe this statement shows us that homicides with international ties and cold case investigations (like the Holiday Inn Arson Case) are unwanted "news." It's back to the "Safe City" image Auberger deluded the sheeple into believing, despite the reality!
  

50 comments:

Anonymous said...

There are no secrets either. Lmao on that one. Let's talk about his son.

Anonymous said...

Sorry Bill you are really out of touch.Comparing Greece to
Mayberry are you kidding. Look around please, your living in La La land. I always said you and your cronies were over your heads in your ability to assess and govern this town. Stick to what you know know best, classic cars and your infamous brand of DIRTY POLITICS,!
Baxter was no fool. He saw this coming and buggied..rather than be treated like Andy and Barney. I'll tell you one thing for sure, Patrick is not his father as the latter would have had some CHOICE words for anyone telling him to run this town PD like Hicksville.USA!
Before we know it, we will see Patrick and his son walking barefoot down the Island Cottage PCT road with bamboo fishing poles draped over their shoulders heading for their favorite fishing hole in the adjacent creek.

Anonymous said...

Baxter had integrity, he wasn't about to become Reilich's tool. Our supervisor needed someone like Phalen who has questionable integrity and would blindly follow orders and "look the other way" when needed. Mayberry? Greece has become a drug den. Don't think they had that in Mayberry.

SCATS said...

To 6:39PM ~~ Greece a drug den? I think Greece is much worse than that!

How do Greece police justify these two cases and the huge disparities between them??

1 - They enter a private home without reason & shoot some naked, sleeping guy in the belly after a neighbor reports a couple of dogs running loose, then have him charged with 13 counts including several related to drugs, BUT then ...

2 - Don't bother charging some other guy for any drug charges after he took drugs, left drugs on a bathroom counter for his woman so she could do a Whitney Houston in the tub and then he drives her corpse around on Christmas Eve!! He gets charged with "tampering with evidence" and "child endangerment" period!?

Greece is really messed up!

Anonymous said...

I don't know about drugs but Gomer Pile was surely on something and Barney would have benefitted from some modern anti-psychotics. Bill just wants to bilk Greece with snake oil talk like a babbit while he double dips and loots the town,

Anonymous said...

The Mayberry comment (if you followed the interview) was addressing a more friendly attitude toward residents, to get to know them. This is like the cop on the beat. Please we do not want disrespectful officers.

SCATS said...

To 9PM ~~ I followed it quite well! In fact, the Mayberry comment was preceded by: "The Greece Arcadia graduate would like to have no crime but believes for a community as big as Greece, "crime is not out of control."

Still, he instructed first-year Police Chief Patrick Phelan, "I want more Mayberry and less CSI."


Reilich ought to spend an afternoon in Greece Town Court learning about crime in Greece. Mayberry we are not, and have not been for a very long time!

Anonymous said...

U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara said the Thursday-morning arrest of Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver goes to “the core of the problem” in state government corruption: “lack of transparency, lack of accountability and lack of principle, joined with an overabundance of greed, cronyism and self-dealing.”

“The greedy art of secret self-reward was practiced with particular cleverness and cynicism by the Speaker,” said Bharara, making yet another appearance to talk about a new case involving an elected state official.

Anonymous said...

Reilich said he was budgeting $1 per house to maintain appearance of residential neighborhood drainage basins.

My tax bill shows $17.69.

I’ve seen a second that reads the same.

Anonymous said...

Mike Green is next.

Anonymous said...

Sheldon Silver who Joe Morelle stands behind still. Where is Mr. David Garrettson on Sheldon Silver??? Hmmmm, does he look the other way? He usually is quick to respond? Chirp chirp.

Anonymous said...

Don't make me laugh, Mike Green was one the few if not the only Republican to jump ship to run for DA. He changed his stripes but remained a loyal republican. Just ask those who worked in the WHITE COLLAR DIVISION-and ask them how many low profile investigations of Rebublicans who got caught with their hands in the cookie jar that he squashed before they became public.

SCATS said...

To 9:29AM ~~ I didn't find reference to the $1/home in the article. Can you tell us where/when that statement was made?

To 9:50AM ~~ Next for? Party flipping? Didn't he already do that once?

To 10:31PM ~~ I don't expect him to speak on politics he is so far removed from. Why do you?

To 4:04PM ~~ TY for clarifying somethings I personally observed about him when he was DA!

Anonymous said...

The Mrs. Might be his candidate for DA.

Anonymous said...

The $1 per house is not in the article... that would be too obvious.

Look at tax bill... 5th column "Value/Usage" bottom entry "Town Wide Drainage" shows 1.00. 7th col shows 17.69.

Anonymous said...

9:29am Your drainage last year was $16.69 so it increased $1.00

Anonymous said...

"Mayberry" That was awesome! Regarding the insults of police from those here who most likely are people who've been busted by GPD for breaking the law, none of the rest of us really care. We're happy we have local cops protecting us. This Chief and force ate a hell of a lot better that Than and his keystone crew. Bar none! Reilich got things back on track. Those here can keep hating their hometown all they want. Must be a miserable life to lead.

SCATS said...

To 10:15AM ~~ WTH are you talking about?? What does the chief's diet have to do with anything?? "Bar none"?? Is that a drinking reference??

FYI, I've never been "busted" or arrested or even stopped by a cop in my entire life!

Hating Greece is easy. Cleaning it up? Now THAT'S hard to do!

Anonymous said...

To: 10:15AM

Help me understand. How has Reilich gotten things back on track?

Anonymous said...

To: SCATS

Your "(Source)" is a report on an interview with Supervisor at D&C - there is much more than Mayberry.

Reilich says 2014 budget was not balanced.

Doesn't law require balanced budget?

Did Councilmen knowingly approve 2014 budget that was not balanced?

Anonymous said...

Reilich got things back on track? I'm rolling on the floor with that one. ScATS you must have a witty come back for that one? Got us back on track for less integrity if that's at all possible after Auberger. And these Republicans asking tarnished silver to resign yet allowing maggie crooks to remain in office. Makes me laugh even more.

SCATS said...

To 8:45PM ~~ Does it matter? All they ever do is vote in favor.

To 8:53PM ~~ We are (and have been) so far off track (not to mention away from reality, legality, ethics & morals) that getting even slightly closer on any level must look like progress to the ill-informed ;)

Anonymous said...

I guess shrinking the town budget by one million dollars from the year before is something we will ignore because that's good.
I guess saving $109,000 each year with new phone technology is something we will ignore because that's good.
I guess selling off the old school bus garage that needed 50K in work and the town had not used in 20 years is something we will ignore because that's good.
I guess getting a brand new bus on a state grant so the community center can use it for the people (money not taken would go elsewhere in the state) is something we will ignore because that's good.
I guess building a new spray park this summer for our young citizens is something we will ignore because that's good.
Building a new police headquarters is something we will ignore because that's good.
I guess building a new lodge at braddock bay is something we will ignore because that's good.
I guess the new renters law that dealers with improving property in the town and prevents problem dailey rental on the lake is something we will ignore because that's good.
I guess hold the tax rate at 0% is something we will ignore because that's good.
I guess building a pavillion with a state grant to save the $500 up and down fee on the tent and to have a larger venue for concerts, free concerts is something we will ignore because that's good.
I guess working with Senator Schumer to dredge the Braddock bay channel, a 7-10 million dollar federal grant is something we will ignore because that's good.
I guess recommitting to the dewey stone neighborhood with a new branch library is something we will ignore because that's good.
I guess updating the parks, sewer and town master plan that hadn't been done in 13 years is something we will ignore because that's good.
I guess instituting a municipal court to deal with code violations swiftly is something we will ignore because that's good.
He has done more positive things in twelve months than the last guy did in 15 years. None of these items were in the works, they were all with the new teams vision. Oh and not one negative news story about the town since taking office. Refreshing, that is what all the residents are buzzing about. Sorry I can't try and make this bad news, now lets see you rewrite history.

Anonymous said...

8:45 It was balanced by taking 5.3 million out of reserve funds (savings account). That is not how you balance a budget. So therefor it was called not balanced.

Anonymous said...

I think this format is intended to try to improve
a condition that does not exist between current officers and residents and business owners compared to the way it used to be with earlier PD. officers. The condition I refer to is known as Public Relations.
As a long time resident and former business owner in Greece, one of the important component in maintaining a town department is public relation. According to what I have seen and comments from former associates and current owners still operating business in the town dating back to my days, this public relations component is virtually non existant today as compared to 35 or more years in Greece.
Back in the 50's 60's 70's and 80's things were much different with regards to interactions between the officers and us. Most of us knew the names of all the officers in the department . The reason for that was really simple. It was not unusual for officers to just stop by and shoot the breeze with us. In addition, the department maintained a poliice benevolent association called the Gum Shoe Club. Most of us were honorary members of the club. Once a year, the officers would invite us to the annual steak dinner at their expense. This was a chance to socially interact with all the men and women on the force. Add to that the fact that all officers at that time were required to be town residents which natuarally resulted in them doing business with us. I'm told that that requirement no longer exists and a vast number of officer do not live in the town. Their common complaint is that unless they have a need for police services, they do not know any of the officers in the department.To me. That translates into bad business as under town resident rule, those officers had an investment in the welefare of their fellow town resident, whereas under today's reality, officers not living in the town have no such commitment. They just drive from their homes, I'm told some from considerable distances out side of Monroe County , put in their required hours, drive back home and never look back.


SCATS said...

To 8:05AM ~~ I guess the FACT that MOST of the things on your list come with a PRICETAG TO THE TAXPAYERS, despite the 0% tax rate change you contend, is a good thing!

MY property tax bill rose SEVERAL HUNDRED DOLLARS from Jan. 2014 to Jan. 2015!!

SCATS said...

Oh and that extra money paid on my 2015 taxes does NOT include paying for much of what is on your list, because those things are in the future!!

SCATS said...

To 9:29AM ~~ They call it robbing Peter to pay Paul, a concept cleverly honed to a very fine edge by Greece Central!

To 9:54AM ~~ I'm not sure that trying to make the cops into what they were 30 years ago is an improvement! Let's face it, criminals have changed, the types and numbers of crimes has changed, society has changed!

Previous attempts to make GPD more citizen friendly obviously failed, despite relocating the 2nd precinct closer to the Dewey-Stone (neighborhoods) area, putting officers on bicycle, foot, etc. In the time since these things were done, GPD installed license plate scanners in their NEW patrol cars (a second or third remake??), changed hand guns, began testing body cams, obtained and trained a K-9 unit, etc. Militarizing a police force will never make it more like Mayberry, no matter how many times the man behind the curtain demands it.

Anonymous said...

8:05am I challenge you! Not one thing on the list will increase your taxes now or in the future. Name one thing and I will gladly debate you right on your forum. As a matter of fact most items listed are cost cutting! I dare you, defend your statement, I know I can!

SCATS said...

To 2:34PM ~~ Don't look now, but 8:05AM was claiming the same thing. But if I were you, I'd start by looking at 8:05AM's figures. Many are blatantly wrong. It never cost $500 to raise/lower the Auggie's big tent. That's just one example. Also, many projects listed have NOT been started, or paid for yet, like a new police HQ. It won't be "free."

Too bad Greece Republicans believe that raising assessments, fees, etc. is "holding the line" on taxes! It isn't. My wallet knows it ;)

Anonymous said...

I tend to agree with what 9:54 said. I too date back to those years and remember those kinds of interaction by the cops of that time with citizens of Greece. Sure times have changed in the town as you point out but the cops back then were adequately trained and able to deal with the problems if the day, some of them serious murder investigation. The point is, that inspite of their work load, they still found time ipto interact with the residents and businessmen by way establishing the neighborhood watch program as well as bring Christmas to needy Greece families that would otherwise not had one every year. I personally donated goods from my business to that cause that provided a complete dinner for 20 families in town.
While I am no fan of our present supervisor, I understand what he is saying. That in addition to handling the increased problems and work load, our present cops should interact more favorably with those they serve
One of the advantages of paying for our own PD, is the ability to control the mission of the department. One of the major differences between the cops of yesterday with the present bunch is a totally different mindset and additude toward their duties.

SCATS said...

To 4:25PM ~~ While I hear much of what you're saying, I'm still not buying into the idea that the "friendly cop" approach is what Reilich was saying. That aside, GPD does the Shop With A Cop program at Christmas and Baxter supposedly reinvigorated the Neighborhood Watch groups. It appears the Citizens Police Academy has been abandoned, as has the annual picnic for their alumni.

The change in mindset I attribute to the union.

Anonymous said...

I don't recall the police being so friendly in the 69's and seventies. I am sure there were exceptions but this was never Mayberry when it came to police

Anonymous said...

3:09 I work in finance, $500.00 is the number to put the tent up and take it down from the tent company that does the work.

Anonymous said...

Your comments about the present programs employed by today's cops, such as shop with a cop, while a nice gesture, it pales in comparison with what yesterday's group did with the yearly program of a cop dressed up as Santa with 15 or more officer elves, coming to their homes three days before Christmas with tree, a turkey with all the trimmings for 20 families who otherwise would not have been able to afford Christmas. As a volunteer who drove the Santa truck, you had to be there to see the look on the faces of those families especially the kids when Santa showed up at their door. To me, it was in keeping with true meaning of Christmas. A meaning provided by off duty cops of the
PD representing the true spirit of Christmas.
As for you union comment I'm not sure I understand the connection because as I recall, at the time they were also members of the police union.

Anonymous said...

Phelan stopped communicating with captains of the Neighborhood Watch groups the day he took office. That didn't come from the union.

SCATS said...

To 5:16PM ~~ Neither do I!

To 5:50PM ~~ DPW raised and lowered it for $200 in each direction.

To 5:56PM ~~ As with other changes, the union changed, too. More hardball.

SCATS said...

I agree, 6:31PM !

Anonymous said...

SCATS Where did you get that mis information. They never did. Watch the next time the tent goes up or down and she whos truck pulls up with the tent and sets it up. Your full of baloney.

Anonymous said...

6:31PM The day he took office he eliminated the captains. Maybe that is why he stopped talking to them, they did not exist.

SCATS said...

To 6:43PM ~~ That info was given to a community group about 2 yrs. ago when an inquiry was made about using the tent.

To 6:45PM ~~ Do you mean Reilich? Or Phelan?

Anonymous said...

What's a neighborhood watch group if the police captain refuses to keep you abreast and aware of information?

Anonymous said...

Phelan he runs the PD

Anonymous said...

When will SuperBill's new coffee shop at the Library open?

Will there be tea available?

Will genuine cream be available or will it be that horrific plastic immitation?

Will there be honey? Will the honey be from bees living and working in Greece?

Will there be china cups and silver spoons?
I detest styrofoam.

Will there be cloth napkins?

Anonymous said...

Interact like in the 40's and 50's and know every cop by name. That was easy when there was 10 cops now there about 100. With that said there are maybe 65 cops that patrol the streets divided up by the different hours they work you may have 10 cops for the whole town. Now increase population to over 100,000 people and everyone has to call 911 for everything NOT emergencies. Then add up the increase in businesses in Greece. There is not time to stop in to every business and no way to know all 100 cops. Back then people didn't call the police when they had an argument or neighbor kids threw a rock or someone drove with out a seatbelt on, so there was not a lot of calls for the cops to go on. I did a ride along we never even got to eat lunch let alone have time to talk to business owners. Things have changed for the worse but not because the cops it's society which is going crazy. I bet the cops do lots of charity work we don't know about, but that Santa thing did sound cool.

SCATS said...

To 8:19PM ~~ I hope you aren't serious! I don't think it is their job to do that!

To 9:40PM ~~ I want to know why the Dewey Ave. library doesn't rate a coffee shop, as well. I stopped by over there and was amazed! There's insufficient parking on a weekday afternoon, unless you are handicapped.

To 10:04PM ~~ You forget that part of the ridiculous number of calls to 911 is the fault of TOWN govt! When your neighbor's dog barks, we are supposed to call 911. WHY? So the McCops can pretend to be Rambo and do a welfare check?? Do you know inefficient it is to have 911 called for animal control and other non-law enforcement issues?

Anonymous said...

Scats, your comparison of today's PD union with those back in the 60-80's is understandably incorrect in the way you portray now with then. Today's cops timmed compared to the way things happened in the old days.
Officers who joined the force prior to 1967 were paid 5,000 per year to start with no benefits other than a pension after 25 yrs of service. Worked a 6 day week with two days off with limited paid sick time.
In '67, the Taylor Law gave us the right to unionize and required the town to negotiate a contract with the union.this obviously did not sit well with the town officials . The law clearly spelled out mandatory and non mandatory subjects of negotiations. Included in mandatory were wages and benefits, working conditions All others could be discussed by agreement between the two parties.
Because the whole process was new to both sides, initial talks were contentious and adversarial as well as non productive. After getting no where and given the fact we could not nor would ever consider a strike, it was necessary to convince the town we were serious.
It was decided that we would take our case to the public as well as engage in legal " job actions" to make our point. While we didn't call it that at the time, I cguess it would be fair to say we decided to PLAY HARDBALL with the town. In any case it worked and future negotiations were progressive.
Over the next 15 years with exception of a few contentious disputes and one arbitrated settlement, at which time the town resorted to a Hired Gun From outside to deal with our team of negotiators of which I was the lead member. The end resulted in a lose for them on all items of dispute. Listed below is a partial list of negotiated items that were gained and inherited by the current cops working today during those years.
Today's pay scales raised by succeeding negotiations
The best health care plan
Unlimited paid sick time
4 and 2 work week
Paid holiday pay
Seniority clause
20 year retirement option
Member rights
Grievance proceedure
Officer safety rights
Uniform allowance
Health care for life after retiremen
These items plus numerous language changes all contained in a written agreement
So in reality, today's officers have the task of retaining these previously negotiated contractural items. If they find it necessary to play hard ball to keep those benefits , then I say, more power to them.

SCATS said...

To 11:01AM ~~ Do you EVER pass up an opportunity to rant on about some topic that takes us completely away from the original direction of the thread posted? Of course not, because you are on a one-man mission to try to prove SCATS is wrong, frequently making your own misstatements! I'm at the point where I'm pondering banning you from posting at all.

Anonymous said...

You brought up the subject of unions playing hardball not me. I was simply responding that comment. I didn't actually say you were wrong. I said you were UNDERSTANDABLY IN CORRECT . An obvious reference to your not being informed as to what really went on back in the sixties and seventies. No insult intended or attempt to make you look bad. Just a true statement of the facts that existed fifty years ago as I knew them from first hand knowledge.
I wrote this with full knowledge that you would know my identity. A fact that does not bother me in the slightest.
In fact, I would be willing to post my name on comments but have refrained to so because of some dialog between the two of us in the past it would end up in your trash file. You can ban me if you wish . After all. It's your blog and can do as you wish. However, because I do enjoy a good argument, I do take the position of the Devils Advocate on topics of interest to me and have personal knowledge of the topic under discussion in order to stimulate discussion from another point of view.

SCATS said...

To 1:45PM ~~ Yes, a mere mention of certain things (like "union") triggers a huge, emotional dump.