Sunday, December 07, 2014

The Urban-Suburban Program



Spencerport Plans A January Vote On The Issue

SHOULD GREECE CENTRAL SCHOOLS 
CONSIDER PARTICIPATING, TOO?
 Why, or why not?

37 comments:

Anonymous said...

The benefit is?

Terry P said...

Haha. They can't even handle their mess.

Anonymous said...

One of the biggest reasons I'm against it in Spencerport, is that I've seen first hand what's happened to Greece's schools. Greece's inability (or refusal) to keep the "illegals" out has basically been a unofficial sanctioning of a similar program.

I'm not sure you've been following exactly what has transpired in Spencerport, but it's almost like our Superintendent called Steve Walts for advice on how to do it. And much the same as the Walts era there, many of our BOE are stepping right in line. Really scary stuff to think that without an anonymous parent's email, our BOE was going to just sneak this through quickly.

Anonymous said...

Don't we already?

SCATS said...

To 1:22PM ~~ None that I've heard.

To 2:12PM ~~ EXACTLY!!

To 2:16PM ~~ Spencerport is merely doing what Greece does so well: Call for a meeting of the community. When few show-up, consider it a sanctioning! NEVER EVER put such things on the ballot!!

To 2:20PM ~~ Nope. We just let them steal services by looking the other direction when non-residents attend. But don't tell anyone. The community will NEVER figure it out ;)

Anonymous said...

Walk into any Greece school, no program needed. About as urban as can be, so is the teaching, more specifically the lack there of, and the discipline which is non-existent. Shame. Greece used to be one of the top school districts in the country. I wouldn't send my dog there for training. Just a reflection of the town as a whole though. Police dept. - corrupt, politicians- crooks. You head over to the Dewey Ave. neighborhood and you can't tell anymore where the town begins and the city ends. And they keep raising my property/school taxes for this garbage!

Anonymous said...

The negativity towards those who live east of Mt. Read Blvd. on this blog astounds me. My child who attended Greece schools, has been accepted to 5 medical schools. By the way, we live in the Dewey Ave area, own our home outright , as well as our cars and my child has no student loan debt. How many of you who live west of Mr. Read can say that?

Anonymous said...

Make sure you stay home on voting day. Close your eyes real tight and make believe no problems exist.

SCATS said...

To 7:37PM ~~ Substitute graduate school for med school & I can say "Been there, done it, continue doing it."

As far as I'm concerned, it's not Greece residents, LEGAL residents, that are the issue here. It's those who come into this town to commit crimes from stealing school services to shoplifting to burglarizing homes.

Anonymous said...

How gross is it that our tax dollars pay for an urban/suburban program that claims to be "all about helping city school students", yet in the next sentence says white kids from the city are not eligible? Why would any district support this sort of exclusion?

Anonymous said...

Hubbard made the D and C editorial page today (Monday).

He wants the government to raise his taxes!

Go for it!!

SCATS said...

To 8:28AM ~~ Are you REALLY surprised by that??

To 10:46AM ~~ I just read the item. I don't see what you claim. PLEASE QUOTE THE PART YOU ARE REFERRING TO. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

The Urban Suburban Program students are NOT funded by the host district tax dollars, but the City of Rochester School District which often spend more per student than the host district. (2012, $15,732 per student). SEE NATIONAL EXCHANGE PROGRAM LINK: http://www.onenationindivisible.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/ONI_Interdistrict_Overview.PPT.pdf

The Rochester Public Library kept all the Letters to the Editor from th 1960's from socially enlightened and socially bound citizens. There literally is a special file with hundredes of remarks for citizens and parents. They all remarkably sound just like all the remarks being posted and submitted for public review this week.

All the remarks from concerned citizens are the same from 50 years ago! Yet, 50 years later not one participating local district has withdrawn from the program! Additionally, the districts with some of the louder descenters are now the model districts lauded Nationally for their total student body excellence and DIVERSIT!

As a graduate of the US program, I have gone on to graduate from the U of R and grad school at the U of Illinois.

I have come back and organized my high school reunion. I have made life long friends while in the US program. And still keep in contact with former students I have known since primary school.

So, if paying our way is an issue. Done! And, should we ask you for the difference per student funding? The US program is a win-win proposition for all participating districts. Districts minimize their student vacancy and maintain their academic standards while enriching the social future and educations of both their resident and US students!

If the inability for white students to participate in the program is an issue, you are welcome to send YOUR student to the City of Rochester School District for enrollment. Fifty years ago, other districts did! It is truly an exchange program. We send, You send.

The US program can only benefit an OPEN MIND. A mind open for divergent learning and BOUNDLESS GROWTH!

Anonymous said...

2:54
You're a one in a million success story... Congratulations on all you have become. So glad I could pay for my kids and YOU!
Now explain again who paid and how! And include why it doesn't mean my State and Federal $ is paying additional for transportation, security, supplies, sports and club costs, and etc.
That's what is lost on those collecting Liberal minority entitlements for ignorant thieves. You're taught to take with no return!!
And the benefit is one, or ten, or one hundred successes out of thousands, or tens of thousands, or millions. And I see posted on FB and other sources that there are today 300,000 more A/A's in college than prison!! What an astonishing compliment for a race!
Now use your education and work the percentages and reality of that POST!
I'd be ashamed of that statistic as an African American, and any brother who posted that $H!t!!!

Anonymous said...

2:54- Excluding white students is open-minded? Huh, funny, 50 yrs ago excluding black students was considered racist and very closed-minded. I guess some of us don't lie down for the progressive double-standard as easily as others. Geesh, did you even read what you wrote? If you want your kids to attend suburban schools, Suck it up and pay the price of living in the suburbs like the rest of us did.

SCATS said...

To 2:54PM ~~ There MUST be something monetarily appealing about the program, otherwise no school district would stick its neck out to get involved.

IMHO, if I wanted my kids to experience "the culture" of a city school, we would have bought a city home. I would expect that those wanting their kids to attend a suburban school would do likewise and pay their fair share for the experience it affords. Most of us put school district near the top of the list of priorities when buying a home. Subsidizing outsiders at our expense never made our family's list, sorry.

To Other Posters: KEEP IT CIVIL IF YOU WANT YOUR COMMENTS TO APPEAR.

Thank you :)

Anonymous said...

Scats- nailed it!

SCATS said...

To 7:53PM ~~ TY.

BTW, my vantage point is not discriminatory. It's based upon what we mutually wanted and chose for our family. People who know us know that's true.

Anonymous said...

My husband and I sacrificed greatly and worked like dogs to afford a home mortgage in the burbs. Now apparently that was unnecessary, as anyone can reap the same benefits thanks to the socialists in gov't and the free-loaders screaming about inequality. Millions of ppl are much better off than uwe begrudge them nothing. God bless them. I get what I've worked for and everything I have is a blessing. Too many shameless humans with their hands out these days!

SCATS said...

Here's what appears to be the FINANCIAL BENEFIT to the suburban districts that enter this program: They receive the city student's State Aid which is typically larger per pupil than what the other students in the suburban district bring in. It's ALL about $$$ .... education, not so much ;)

Anonymous said...

2:54 Your on the wrong venue if you are seeking OPEN MINDS.

SCATS said...

To 6:33AM ~~ Unlike the beliefs held by the rabid liberals, an "open mind" doesn't mean you have to allow your brain to fall out rendering you unable to apply logic, ethics, morals, etc. to decide your position.

Anonymous said...

Firstly, I never stated I was Black or African American. That was your biased assumption. The US program includes ALL historical minority groups.

Secondly, from my perspective, my experience is definitely NOT 1 in a million.

Again, participating districts DO NOT pay any "subsidy". And, YES it is NOT solely about education. As more families have fewer children in a district there are more schools not filling their student capacity. So, some districts take the loss or find acceptable solutions. So, wise districts face the facts of the US program: while I fill my seats with competent students I get the bonus of diversity. It is about a cultural exchange of ideas AND learning only made possible by diversity in the classroom.

I can give you a personal example of how lack diversity in personal experience and in the high school classroom can set students back among their peers. In grad school, I was observing a Professor in, a freshman level, cultural psychology course. A student (race omitted) honestly and unabashedly stated "I don't understand why Indians (Native Americans) wanted to live in the desert. It is their own fault they chose to live in areas where they can't support themselves." Surprisingly, some other students agreed. While others who knew the answer openly gasped and shook their heads at the remark. Remarks in this debate sounds the same.

All taxes are paid by the employed. We all forget where we live! And, the employment opportunities afforded us in the Rochester area. So, ALL our earned tax dollars for education and transportation would follow our students wherever they attend school. We pay our own sports and club fees. Suburban security? School security is a sign of the times. Your schools have security personnel now, right?

So, if we know most objections stated are about the dollars AND the dollars are covered by the US Students district, what TRULY are the continued objections about?

The US program is a program that success is rooted in reducing de facto racial segregation. It is fundamentally illogical to send an urban white student to a predominantly white district and call it progress or success. And, the courts agreed.


The 300K A/A students in college citation is in response to a contrary statistical citation. It was making a contrasting point, NOT a proclamation of success.

As for the "get you own or pay you dues comments,' I don't want to ass-u-me as many postings have done. But, If I did come to your community I doubt I'd feel welcome.
Your comments lead me to believe you would have the attitude of "now that you've made it doesn't mean anything has changed." (e.g. you can to take the girl out of the trailer park, but you can't take the trailer park out of the girl...") I doubt some who remark will ever be happy with racial diversity in your backyards.

The "cultural exchange" I speak of is the exchange of different life experiences of the student. Not, necessarily the urban school experience.


Another example of differences in student experiences, in the city, you learn "common sense" early in life which aids you in identifying quickly those who have your best interest at heart and those who never will.

Thank you to the affirming comments. We must never give up calling out encouragements to those still kicking and screaming and refusing to come out of the darkness. (NO MATTER WHAT SIDE OF THIS DEBATE YOUR ON!)

I won't be responding any further, but I will be reading. I think a wrote a little too much for my own liking, but I think it had to be said.

All, I did read and understand your points. But, I cannot ultimately agree with them.

SCATS said...

To 6:04PM ~~ One nagging question: At what point is sufficient diversity reached?

Anonymous said...

6:04. WELL SAID!!

Anonymous said...

6:04 Congratulations on your brilliant on the mark response to the comments made after your original comment. Rest assured you are not alone. Some of us support your efforts.

Anonymous said...

Scats, I suppose the non-quantitative answer to how much diversity is enough, would be when there is enough to eliminate the racism and racist comments. Diversity has several goals: the inclusion of all points of view in a discussion, the elimination of racial stereotyping, the ability of all people to walk through a shopping mall without feeling nervous or threatened by the others you see there,the elimination of racial profiling by police, the ability of students of all ethnicities to go to school together without inter-racial fight, etc.

Anonymous said...

You have to ask why the administration and school board's are not keeping their focus on educational improvement, period. In the case of Spencerport their focus seems to be more on using the public education system to change the world in their eyes by promoting 'diversity' (what ever that means). Would this district not be better serving the community by treating all students the same? This unban/suburban program is 'racist' by refusing participation by 'white' kids. Why would 'any' district want to participate and promote a program that does not treat all kids the same. Does this district believe they have attained the best measureable educational results possible? Or have they become bored with a focus on improvement?

SCATS said...

To 10:03AM ~~ My reason for asking is that 6:04PM's remarks are kinda scattered all over the map. One point was that the urban-suburban program helps to fill seats that would otherwise be left empty. I'm wondering, is it the district's place to find a way to keep schools filled when people flee a community or its schools? Should Greece have entered this program years ago in an attempt to keep enrollments closer to the 15,000 we approached at one time, instead of letting it fall under 11,000, close schools and "right size" other operations to match? I think not!

Anonymous said...

Don't we now HAVE an Urban Suburban situation in GCSD? It is called Odyssey Academy. The sending district for that school was specifically carved out to be east of Mount Reed & south of Ridge to better balance the suburban student population. At least that's what they told the taxpayers when they moved the school from Hoover. Has that improved the academic performance of OA? Ilan Ficus

SCATS said...

To Ilan Ficus ~~ Actually, the district was attempting to make Odyssey more like Olympia and they succeeded! Olympia had become nearly devoid of academically inclined white kids after 20 yrs of siphoning off the best to Odyssey on Hoover Dr. Now the two schools are more on par with each other, to the dismay of the former Hoover Dr crowd.

BTW, I find it FASCINATING that I'm getting hateful comments from people calling me/this site/its contributors racists & bigots for not supporting the spread of a program that PROHIBITS PARTICIPATION BY WHITE STUDENTS!! No irony there, huh?

Anonymous said...

To 6:04
My answer to this statement...

"Firstly, I never stated I was Black or African American. That was your biased assumption. The US program includes ALL historical minority groups"

How do you call my assumption biased when in fact you are biased, a minority, and therefore a part of the issue.

As you state, it is a biased program because it only includes "historical" minorities... Therefore you must be part of that receiving but now inferred biased group!

Please explain "historical" minorities, and then explain why white males are now not a historical minority when applying for civil service Police, Fire, or other positions but refused based on QUOTAS?

Oh wait, it's the you white folk owe us mentality instead of earning, and working for it like our ancestor who emigrated DID!


Anonymous said...

For 6:31am
"Well said"? Are you kidding me? For someone claiming to have a graduate degree, the grammar, punctuation et al are lacking in a number of areas. One classic example of classless writing might be "We all forget where we live! " What's next? "I is"?

Anonymous said...

So you've managed to use a plethora of big words, and in context, good for your big open mind. Now please answer my question? You have many thoughts on racism, with the exception of the the most racist part of this very flawed liberal program (mess). White - skinned ppl need not apply. You see, as expected, you chose to ignore the question bc there is no logical or moral answer. It's textbook discrimination in it's truest form. Yet you seem to be ok with that. I honestly couldn't care less what color, or ethnic background the children are that attend GCSD, my point was as long as you live here and pay the same taxes I do, you belong. If you don't, go away. Yes, even white kids. So I think calling me racist is inaccurate, I would think that your big educated brain would know the difference. I am a classist. America is a classist society. There are no such things as unicorns, Liberal Utopia or a classless societies. Too bad universities don't offer a course called Reality 101, many would benefit.

SCATS said...

To 2:31PM ~~ I'm not sure WHO you are directing your comments at. I've already agreed with your point that " as long as you live here and pay the same taxes I do, you belong." I wrote: "IMHO, if I wanted my kids to experience "the culture" of a city school, we would have bought a city home. I would expect that those wanting their kids to attend a suburban school would do likewise and pay their fair share for the experience it affords."

Also, I previously stated: "BTW, I find it FASCINATING that I'm getting hateful comments from people calling me/this site/its contributors racists & bigots for not supporting the spread of a program that PROHIBITS PARTICIPATION BY WHITE STUDENTS!! No irony there, huh?"

HOW ARE WE DIFFERENT in our views on this??

Anonymous said...

Sorry SCATS, you were not the person my comment was directed to lol I should have been more specific. It was meant for the person from a few days ago, claiming to have benefitted from the program, who is so much more educated and open-minded than the rest of us racist knuckle-draggers. My bad. Take a deep breath my friend :)

SCATS said...

To 10:27PM ~~ TY for clarifying that ... ahhh ... :)