Monday, November 10, 2014

What GPD Knew


According to 13WHAM

Greece Police said they had the right to enter a house before an officer shot the resident. 

Thomas Manza, 34, was shot inside a home on Stone Road on Sunday. 

Police said animal control was called to the house after a report of loose dogs in the area. 

Officers said they entered the house to check on the welfare of the resident; heard water running and noticed the stove was on. 

Greece Police Chief Patrick Phalen said they found Manza lying naked on the ground with a shotgun beside him. 

Phalen said they thought Manza was dead until he pointed a gun at the officers. 

Officer Jared Rene fired his weapon, striking Manza.  

Police said they responded at 10:58 a.m. and shots were fired at 11:56 a.m. 

Chief Phalen said Officer Rene is on paid administrative leave while they investigate. 

Phalen said they were called to this house in May for a similar issue. 

Manza is in guarded condition at Strong Memorial Hospital. 

Phalen said Manza will be charged with menacing in the first degree.

SCATS ~~ So they KNEW who lived there! I've also read that Manza has a history of some MINOR past offenses and of some mental health issues. It seems that GPD would know about that BEFORE entering his home.
  
  

32 comments:

SCATS said...

" The "welfare check"- a convenient police tool to skip 4th amendment" ...

From a site where I was researching the legal definition of a police "welfare check."

Anonymous said...

"Police said they responded at 10:58 a.m. and shots were fired at 11:56 a.m."

What were they doing for an hour? I read 1 report that said the door was open.

SCATS said...

To 4:10PM ~~ Great question! Maybe they were turning on the water and the stove ;)

Anonymous said...

hope you or a relative/friend never need a 'welfare check' Scats.

SCATS said...

To 4:49PM ~~ ME TOO !!!!!

I'm going to post a sign on the front door stating that my family & I decline ANY such checks!

Anonymous said...

The Greece police department NEVER fail to prove how inept they can be...makes me proud to be a Westsider! 11772

SCATS said...

11772??

Anonymous said...

You point a shot gun at any officer especially at close range (5-10') there is no time for anything but to react, you or him. If the trigger was pulled it would of killed both of them. Vest or no vest the spray would of hit their heads. He left them no choice. Hey a tip, don't point a gun at a police officer.
PS I am not a police officer but was raised to respect them and in kindergarten learned, don't point a gun at anyone!

SCATS said...

To 8:13PM ~~ I was raised the same way and also respect authority. However, times have changed in a multitude of ways. For instance, our cops have become militarized with weapons we never dreamed of only a dozen years ago and they appear to be less patient in handling a variety of situations, as per many nationally renowned cases.

I was also raised to understand that a man's home is HIS castle. If an uninvited intruder enters, you may shoot to kill ... just be sure he falls INSIDE, not out. There was no asterisk to denote the exclusion of a "welfare check" ... especially when NO ONE REQUESTED ONE.

SCATS said...

Since Mr. Manza can't speak for himself and might never get that opportunity, I'm wondering, did he awaken to find guns drawn on him? Or was Sgt. Renee's weapon holstered?

Anonymous said...

officers always have guns drawn while searching a house....

SCATS said...

To 12:53PM ~~ EXACTLY!! Manza didn't have a chance. And to be totally fair, we only know from one side (the cop's) that Manza "pulled" his long gun. I'm still trying to envision HOW a naked, sleeping guy on the floor "pulls" a long gun ... Anyone??

Anonymous said...

And I supposed GPD planted the marijuania while this was all happening?

SCATS said...

To 1:08PM ~~ It's Greece. Stranger things have happened. Just remember coke snorting Nick Joseph.

Anonymous said...

The Town of Greece has an interesting way of living in its own version of the truth. The Vaccaro Murder, Holiday Inn Case, to the Merritt Rahn overtime policies, the actual truth continues to be unknown. Nothing would ever surprise me when it comes to these identity seeking, truth corrupting narcissistic individuals that in the absence of Greece, NY have nothing, and are nobody's.

SCATS said...

To 2:44PM ~~ Well stated! They count on the sheeple ... the citizens who PAY THEIR SALARIES ... the SAME ones they've intimidated and frightened into silence, and away from opting for significant change at the polls.

Anonymous said...

Why do you always want the good guys to be the bad guys? The elected officials are all bad by your comments. Police are are evil. But the guy laying on the floor in his bedroom with a loaded shot gun is a law abiding good guy. Come on! I bet not one person reading this has ever fallen asleep on the floor with a loaded shot gun by their side. Who does that? A person up to no good that's who.

Anonymous said...

D&C 11/11/14 Manza's father, Anthony Manza of Rochester, said his son was recently diagnosed with schizophrena and "thought people were coming in the house after him."
Glad no Girl Scouts were selling cookies door to door or this could of ended very different.
Give a schizophrenic a gun! smart!

Anonymous said...

Why not try to envision why a normal man was asleep, naked on the floor with a long gun?? I know every normal man i know sleeps like that..

SCATS said...

To 4:38PM ~~ In the Town of Greece there are NO checks & balances in our govt due to a completely one-sided, one party rule! This has resulted in SCANDAL after SCANDAL after SCANDAL over the years!! Just because we elected a new grand puba doesn't mean much has changed, because once again, he heads a group that's ALL the same flavor! Closed door meetings. Meetings with no agendas posted. Meetings with agendas foretelling us who will make what motion in advance?? You think they're "good guys??? GIVE ME A BREAK!

WHAT LAW IS BROKEN BY SLEEPING NAKED ON THE FLOOR NEXT TO A LOADED GUN?

To 4:57PM ~~ CALM DOWN!! No one gave a schizophrenic a gun. He is a hunter, has been for quite awhile. You remind me of a PTA mom from years ago who volunteered to deliver some holiday cheer to homes school personnel determined to be badly hurt by Kodak layoffs. She was "shocked" that their big SUV was in the driveway, the kids were playing Nintendo on a large screen TV, etc. I asked her if she thought that when someone loses a job and gets behind on their bills if she really thought some genie appeared and blinked all of their suburban lifestyle back into the magic lamp. Of course not! And when you get a mental health diagnosis like this, no one follows you home and ransacks your belongings looking for guns.

PS ~~ Hopefully Girl Scouts no better than to WALK INTO SOMEONE'S HOME UNINVITED ;)

To 5:39PM ~~ Define "normal" please. Again, such a diagnosis doesn't cause confiscation of things you already legally own. One more time:
WHAT LAW IS BROKEN BY SLEEPING NAKED ON THE FLOOR NEXT TO A LOADED GUN?

ANSWER : NONE !!!!!

Anonymous said...

SCATS and what law is broken if you put a gun in your mouth and your finger on the trigger. I bet no law but no normal person does that. And normal means what typically is done. Sorry if the term normal offends you.
And just because the majority of 97,000 people who live in Greece want all Republicans to represent them and you don't. To bad. I guess it sucks to be you! That still does not make them bad or corrupt. Just because the last group had problems does not mean this group will. How do you justify supporting a naked guy with admitted mental health issues and with a gun and yet not supporting those elected who have to date not done one thing wrong? I feel sorry for you, that's not NORMAL.

Anonymous said...

Cuomo's SAFE Act is certainly keeping guns out of the hands of mentally disabled people isn't it?

SCATS said...

To 9:11PM ~~ It depends on where you live as to "what law is broken." At one time, suicide was widely viewed to be a felony act. These days ATTEMPTED SUICIDE is a criminal act in some places.

The definition of "normal" as it relates to human behavior & mental health issues covers a VERY BROAD RANGE. Most likely, you'd be shocked to learn what "normal" really is.

Your statement that " the majority of 97,000 people who live in Greece want all Republicans" couldn't be further from the truth! The TRUTH is that nothing close to a "majority" bothers voting, not even a majority of those registered to do so actually vote!

What makes them corrupt is their "closed, clubby AND corrupt" behaviors, as noted by a D&C editorial not so long ago ;)

As for your final question, I will respond once you PROVE " those elected who have to date not done one thing wrong." Don't worry. The educated among us recognize the difference between opinion (or maybe wishful thinking?) and reality :)

SCATS said...

To 5:23AM ~~ AGREED!!!

Situations like what happened Sunday should scare the crapple out of law-abiding citizens in general, gun owners in particular! Keeping the police OUT of our homes (UNLESS WE INVITE/ASK THEM IN) is becoming more problemmatic each year!

Anonymous said...

For all of you Greece defenders!!! A certain now deceased former Greece Police Sgt. never got caught doing anything illegal in Gold Circle Bathroom either right? If it was anyone else it would have been all over the papers!! However, the protected class of insiders just seem to get away with anything without punishment!!! How many other cover ups hide in the shadows?

Anonymous said...

Wow. So many with so little knowledge yet all spouting off for their side having only opinion.
Sounds a lot like what's going to happen in Ferguson.
Let's see how that plays out before we condemn either side in this case.

SCATS said...

To 6:56PM ~~ What happened in Ferguson is not unlike dozens of other cases around the country where police action was either too much or too soon for the situation at hand. As we've militarized the police departments across the country, we've raised the stakes in their responses. They often act more like Rambo than like Law Enforcement. It's time to take 3 steps back and several long deep breaths before we allow the police to MURDER any more citizens ... and get away with it. (FYI, the NYC case where they killed that guy who was gasping that he couldn't breathe haunts me everytime this topic comes up!)

Anonymous said...

Maybe if people stopped acting like animals, the police would not have to be "militarized".

Anonymous said...

Scats: You make a really important point when you speak about the militarization of the police. The military and he police ought to be kept separate. When the police come to look at citizens as potential enemy combatants than much of the good that can come form local policing is lost and ordinary folks come to see the police as the enemy instead of a group they call on for help.

SCATS said...

To 9:03PM ~~ It seems to start at home & in the schools.

To 9:32PM ~~ I can't help but wonder if the training with these weapons isn't done from the perspective that the public IS an "enemy combatant." I also tend to get that feeling more & more as the "brotherhood" bands together.

Anonymous said...

WOW SCATS is at it again! (See7:45 entry). You claim to lot be anti police but say thing like that. What happened in Ferguson where police action was too much for situation??? I'm pretty sure this is still in Grand Jury. I'm also betting they find the cop did nothing wrong. You attack a cop and almost knock him out you will probably get shot. More and more FACTS are coming out that indicate the witness is lying and the action of the cop are justified. When it does come out all the morons in Ferguson will act up and riot and loot their own neighborhoods because they are not willing to listen to or believe facts! Everything is a cover up or a conspiracy

SCATS said...

To 5:02PM ~~ I'm not anti-police, never was. However, that doesn't mean that I'm blind to the OBVIOUS PROBLEMS we're facing with PDs that consider the citizens to be enemy combatants first.

Tonight on the national news, an attorney involved in the Ferguson shooting case was interviewed who says the forensics show this kid likely had his hands RAISED ABOVE HIS HEAD when he was shot. Also, he says the forensics show NONE of the bullets was fired from a close range, like the cops contend.