Saturday, November 01, 2014

Two Pedestrians Hit By Car In Greece


Accident on Latta Rd. Near Ripplewood

3 year old boy dead;

16 yr. old hospitalized in very serious condition
  

30 comments:

Anonymous said...

There were cars full of teens flying down the roads in our Greece neighborhood tonight. I screamed at so many to slow down but they didn't hear me because their music was too loud. I was terrified with the slick roads and pulled my kids in after only an hour. What happened to these 2 children is a tragedy beyond words. It is sad that we may have to reach out to the GPD to now station officers in every neighborhood for future halloween trick or treating. My heart is broken for the families who are having to deal with this.

SCATS said...

To 12:28AM ~~ IMHO, this should be a call to begin planning for some sort of COMMUNITY HALLOWEEN CELEBRATION. Earlier this week, I saw that several other towns were holding parties, trick & treating in the library, etc. encouraging participation in SAFE activities.

As for the conditions tonight, one reporter at Latta Rd. for the 11PM news stated that visibility in that area was very poor with the weather, lighting, etc.

My neighborhood was extremely quiet ... only 5 kids came to the door this year. After about 40 minutes, the street appeared empty.

Anonymous said...

we had tons of kids trick treating in our neighborhood (off Black Walnut) - however our streets are well lit and we have sidewalks.

Not a lot of cars and many parents walking about.

not sure where the tragedy occured but was it well lit?

SCATS said...

To 12:12PM ~~ It happened near Lakeshore School on Latta Rd. A reporter stated the conditions were very poor for visibility last night. The cops aren't saying whether drugs or alcohol was involved, so I suspect it was. They usually say "not involved" when it's not an issue.

Anonymous said...

This is the first Halloween where I have herad of "Trunk" and "Treat".

Organizations such as churches or schools but also supermarkets and plazas. plan to have parents/members open and decorate their trunks. In this way the kids can go vehicle to vehicle safely to "trick" or "treat".
Kids are off the streets and the chances of razor blades or poisons are greatly reduced. Hopefully the kids would not not be knocking on the doors of any sex offeners.

Just a thought.

Doug Skeet

SCATS said...

Doug ~~ WHERE are they doing this? I think I'd prefer to have them indoors for a celebration somewhere. It eliminates the problems with weather, visibility, makes it easier to see who you are dealing with, etc.

As for sex offenders, I'm not sure but think that it's only the ones who are still on parole that get monitored on Halloween night. I'm basing this upon the wording of some things I've read.

Anonymous said...

This week on Bob L. program it is VERY popular in Utah and this year in Mt. Morris his church was hosting a T and T.
The Mt. Morris Supermarket was also hosting a T and T. He was complaining about taking his 4 kids to two events

Doug

SCATS said...

To Doug ~~ TY. The name "trunks & treats" makes me think of illegal activities, so Utah is surprising.

Anonymous said...

Driver was 77. Charges unlikely. Tragedy for sure. Why was a 3 yr old out at 9:42pm?

Anonymous said...

Trunk or Treat has been around for years. I have friends in NC who've been doing it in their subdivision for at least the past 5 years. I also know of friends in FL who particate in this at their church, and I'm positive I've seen it advertised at a church somewhere in Greece a year or two ago. Still, I'm old school and prefer door to door trick or treating. My neighborhood was crowded with kids last night, and amazingly few cars.

Last nights accident was a tragic, however I question why a 3 year old was even out at that hour. The news says he was from Rochester, and where the accident happened isn't too far from Charlotte but it was far enough that I can't see a toddler walking that distance.

SCATS said...

To 5:33PM ~~ Charges "unlikely" according to whom? Phelan stated they are awaiting the results of testing and accident reconstruction.

There are as many 77 yr. olds who should NOT be on the roads at 9:45PM (especially in the rain with road glare) as there are 3 yr olds who should not be out at that hour. Sad situation all around.

SCATS said...

To 6:47PM ~~ Last night, they reported that the 16 yr. old was the aunt of the toddler. Then they said they were unrelated. By this afternoon, they were back to stating that they were given a ride to Greece by family (interviewed on TV) who sat in the car on the side of the road. It was also rather quietly stated that the 16 yr. old attends a Greece school!

CAN YOU SAY THEFT OF SERVICES??

The others ALL live in the city!

SCATS said...

Before it mysteriously disappears from the WHEC website, here is what they reported tonight: (bold is SCATS' emphasis):

"A Halloween tragedy. A three-year-old boy was killed and a 16-year-old relative was seriously hurt after they were hit by a minivan while out trick-or-treating on Friday night.
It happened just before 10 p.m. on Latta Road in Greece. Police say Tayvier Granderson was hit and killed by a minivan as he and his relative, 16-year-old Nicole Moore, tried to cross the road. His mom and other family members drove them to Greece to trick-or-treat. They parked on the side of Latta Road and wanted to cross to get to the homes on the south side. According to police, they walked out into traffic from in front of their family’s car, and that’s when tragedy struck.
“Every day before Halloween came he kept asking if he could put on his costume,” said Joanne Granderson, Tayvier’s grandmother.
Joanne Granderson talked to us about her three-year-old grandson, Tayvier. She says he was a happy boy who loved to play with her phone...
His family says Tayvier was holding hands with Nicole when they tried to cross Latta Road. Nicole was dragged under the car, but she survived. She’s a sophomore at Greece Arcadia High School. Her mother is deaf, but she can read lips.
Berkeley: “Where is she hurt?”
Tina Key, Nicole’s mother: “Her head. Her side. Her whole side.”
There are conflicting stories on what happened. The police say Tayvier’s family parked their white car on Latta Road. The police chief says Tayvier and Nicole walked in front of the car to cross the road.
“The driver of the car couldn’t see the kids, and the kids couldn’t see the car. It was just a horrible tragedy,” said Chief Pat Phelan, Greece Police Department.
But Tayvier’s mother, who is due to have a baby girl on November 17th, says she was with him as they crossed.
“In order for that man to see my son he had to see me pregnant, holding my other baby and my brother-in-law’s sister-in-law with a bright orange coat on. Like you couldn’t miss us,” she said.
Neighbors say they are still shaken up. We spoke with one man who lives nearby. He says he heard screaming after the crash and came running outside. He says he tried to help, but there was nothing he could do.
“That broke me instantly, seeing something so terrible. It was right there in the road,” said Chris Leto.
Leto fought back tears as he told us what he saw on Halloween night.
“I’m trying to shake off what happened last night, which I’ll never be able to. When I ran out there I thought I could possibly help, but when I looked down I knew I couldn’t do anything because he was dead,” he said.
Police say Nicole is now in guarded condition at Strong Memorial Hospital.
“The mother was on the other side of the road screaming and kind of rolling around,” said Leto.
Leto says Tayvier was running towards his house when he was hit.
“We had it all lit up with Halloween stuff over here, and I think the kid tried to run across the road to come over here,” Leto said.
He says Latta Road is a busy road that can be a risk for pedestrians. Other witnesses tell us they’re still shaken up by the images from the scene...

Police did not release the name of the driver who hit the children. We’re told he is 77-years-old and was heading home from dinner with his wife. Police took a blood sample but say there was no obvious signs of impairment.
Berkeley: “Was this guy speeding?”
Chief Phelan: “We don’t have that information right now. We’re going to do a full reconstruction of the accident.”

Police say they will also search the black box from the driver’s minivan...."

Anonymous said...

Such a heart-breaking tragedy. But at the risk of sounding extremely callous and non-politically correct... now that I hear the facts (such as the 3 yr old lives on Murray St in the City and the family drove into Greece and parked along Latta Rd at quarter-to-10ish) a few other thoughts immediately come to mind:
1. The 3 yr olds that live in my suburban neighborhood are all done trick-or-treating by around 7pm.
2. Even the older children that live in my neighborhood are done looking for candy by 8:30p.
3. The trick-or-treaters that knock on my door AFTER 8:30p are never residents of my neighborhood and always appear to be from the City.
4. What is it that motivates city residents to go door to door in the suburbs for handouts well after the resident trick-or-treaters are done with their fun on the streets for the night?
5. On the occasions that I have driven in the vicinity of places like Murray St., I find pedestrians act as if the "own" the road, walking in traffic without regard for vehicles (very unlike pedestrians in the suburbs).
5. There may cultural differences at play here that have resulted in tragedy.

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 9:41: I completely agree! It's a terrible tragedy, but the mother IMO is responsible for this. What the heck was she thinking, coming to Greece at that hour with a 3 yr old? Especially on LATTA Road? In that weather? It being a Fri night, Halloween, on a rain slicked road was a recipe for disaster. You're right, there were no trick or treaters at my house past 8:30-9:00 either. My own 10 yr old and 4 yr old we're happily planted in front of the tv by that time eating their candy. The city residents I see in the Murray St area are constantly darting in and out of traffic. And that's not the only city area where I see it happen. I can't believe the mom had tha audacity to state that she didn't know how the driver couldn't see her pregnant self. My heart goes out to that poor man, the neighbors who witnessed this senseless tragedy, and of course the first responders. I'm so sorry a child died, I truly am, but the mother is NOT without blame here.

Anonymous said...

There is no other way to say it, what happened was horrible. But why in the world was a three year old old at almost ten at night trick or treating? I shut my light off and do not answer the door after 8:30. Thar poor boy should have been home and in bed. Not crossing Latta Rd. Why would a mother sit in a car and watch her toddler cross a very busy road that late at night in those weather conditions. I just can not make any sense of that. Secondly, the first report gave the injured girl a city residence. Then it comes out that she attends a Greece school. So once again Greece let's city residents steal Greece services. My guess is that mom filled out one of those forms staying that they lived with a relative and was allowed to register in Greece. Greece is the only district that is so late back when it comes to enforcing residency requirements. They really need to spend the money and hire competent Staff to check up on all these people that are conning their way in. Perhaps East irondq could give the secretary that takes these false forms I with no questions asked a good schooling on how to weed these situations out. Their legal counsel obviously knows the laws better than Greece does since they are standing their ground on the most recent case in the media. I hope they cracking down on this soon before Greece becomes a true city school. By the way scats, I almost choked on my coffee when I heard the news anchor reports that the family has started a go fund me account. I feel horrible for the poor boy that died and I hope the young girl recovers but not every situation deserves or requires a go fund me account. It seems it is an automatic goto now.

SCATS said...

To 7:58PM ~~ I read someone's remarks on another site yesterday where they predicted the "get rich quick" internet fundraising attempt. Some things you can count on. What if no one gives??

What bothers me more than theft of services problem is the fact that I think the mother should have been charged with CHILD ENDANGERMENT. Until we buck up and cast aside political correctness, ridiculous tragedies like this will continue ... and become more common.

As for GCSD ridding itself of thieves, they had a PI on the payroll to investigate this stuff several years ago. I was told they lost that one case that became headline news. So, they threw in the towel & look the other way. It's not a big deal to most GCSD employees, because: 1 - they mostly live in other districts, and 2 - Greece gets the state aid based on body count only. Sadly, no one is looking out for the children of Greece residents. And then they wonder why enrollments keep falling, geesh!

Anonymous said...

The 16 year old lives at Snug Harbor Ct, so is legally a GCSD student.

SCATS said...

To 12:36AM ~~ According to the link below, that's in the RCSD. Either way, I'll bet you lunch some sort of scam is involved to get her into GCSD. Her mother who was interviewed on TV lives in the city.

http://www.dyngeometry.com/web/address.aspx

Anonymous said...

SCATS, I agree with you. The mother absolutely should be charged with child endangerment! And the go fund me account? I saw that coming too.

GCSD picks and chooses which kids go to which schools. It doesn't just happen with city residents stealing services, it happens with Greece residents as well. I know this first hand.

SCATS said...

To 7:12AM ~~ I'd like to hear Chief Phelan tell us WHY he didn't charge her ...?

I'm sure there would be some who scream "racist!" if it ever happened. But I think it's time to start getting serious with these negligent parents. There are consequences for NOT being a proper parent. This woman just experienced the ultimate consequence, but I suspect her unborn kid won't really have much better decision-making along the way. Just my 2 cents.

Anonymous said...

Phelan and cops can charge anything they want. The ultimate law enforcement officer in the county is the DA. This is what people do not understand about civics.

SCATS said...

To 11:18AM ~~ In truth, a cop who pulls you over can charge you with a number of things just for failing to smile at him. While the DA/grand jury has the "final say" usually, we're talking POLITICS in charging people like this kid's mother with being a "bad" parent. Will riots result?

Anonymous said...

No wonder Chief Phelan is not releasing the name of the driver. And St. MOMMY surely won't admit she did anything wrong. She's a perfect mom with another baby due any second.

Anonymous said...

Our last kid friday night was at 8pm. I live in a area with tons and tons of children. I worked at dewey gardens bowling alley for years,and i cant tell u the number of toddler/babies i saw at all hours. Not to sound racist, but all were black children sitting in car seats till 1-2 in the morning. Parents drinking, coming in from outside reeking of weed. They would order tons of food while the parents, not children bowled.. i heard one female,( the mother of 2, one being around 4 and the other around 2-3) one lady asked the mother if the 2little ones could have pizza? The mother of the children said, "no fu@# them, they aint getting sh@t" .. needless to say, that was one of the last times i stayed past 10 on a weekend. The ones ive come across treat their children like sub human trash. Its very sad and breaks my heart.these poor children have very little chance at normal lifes. Its all in the up-bringing, and in my opinion these parents could care less. As long as they get their DSS and food stamps, life is good for them. Once again, sorry to come off racist, but it is how it is..

Anonymous said...

To 12:36 who said that Snug Harbor Ct. is in Greece, you are not correct. Snug Harbor is in the city.

Anonymous said...

2:05, I stand corrected. Just outside the border.

SCATS said...

To 9:20PM ~~ Regardless the location, the link I posted shows it is in the RCSD boundary, not Greece Central's.

Anonymous said...

Acadia reports displaced by fyre. Claming homelkess. If ur homeless how are you livin at snug? snug has no letigimate skools surving the children that live their? Do all residence at snug go to Greece skools for free?

SCATS said...

If anyone can translate 5:14PM for the English-literate among us, PLEASE DO!