Monday, November 10, 2014

Son Shot By Greece Police


13WHAM has spoken with a man who said his son was shot by Greece Police on Stone Road Sunday. 

Anthony Manza said his 34-year-old son Thomas Manza was shot. 

Police said animal control was called to a home on Stone Road after a report of loose dogs in the area. Police officers also responded and entered the home, which their officers said was open, to do a welfare check. 

According to Greece Police, the officer said he saw a man with a gun. He fired his weapon, shooting the suspect. 

They said the man was injured but is alive. 

Anthony Manza said his son is critically injured. Police haven't released the suspect's name, but Mr. Manza said he wants answers. 

"My boy's up there fighting for his life right now," Manza said. "He's in critical condition. He's got a hole in his chest...his whole chest is wide open, and I don't know if he's even going to make it. 

"I want answers, and they're not giving me answers. They wouldn't even let me in to see my son at the hospital." 

13WHAM reached out to Greece Police for comment about our interview with Mr. Manza, but have not heard back from them. 

Police said the officer was not hurt, but no other details have been released.

   SCATS ~~ My instincts are telling me we've got another scandal on our hands.
  

41 comments:

Anonymous said...

According to the reports on ch 9 it seems like the guy was mentally ill. maybe they should have made a retreat and got mental health on the scene, The police know who he was too.

Anonymous said...

Everything to you is a "scandal". Until you have all the evidence, keep your theories to yourself. If you point a weapon at a cop, odds are you're getting shot. Any parent is going to defend their child 9 times outta 10, weather they are right or wrong.

Anonymous said...

Per channel 13 post
"Police said they responded at 10:58 a.m. and shots were fired at 11:56 a.m."

What the heck were they doing for an hour?

SCATS said...

To 12:57PM ~~ And EVERY POLICE CHIEF is going to defend his employee ;)

To 1:30PM ~~ GREAT QUESTION! It turns out they were called there in May "for a similar" situation. So they KNEW who he was and his history BEFORE ENTERING.

Anonymous said...

Someone called 911 to report the dogs wandering. That in itself is a record showing a mental health check was warranted. So it will play out accordingly. Hate to break it to you conspiracy and scandal mongers. Evidence is evidence. PERIOD.

SCATS said...

To 9:23PM ~~ I'm calling BS ... as in a FULL, STINKING LOAD ... to your statement about a "warranted mental health check."

In fact, within the past year, I have called the GPD/Animal Control line on a late Friday afternoon to complain about a neighbor's wandering dog. I was told that: 1 - NO ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS are on duty for the weekend which began for them in minutes; as long as the dog wasn't endangering anyone, it was NOT AN EMERGENCY; AND 3 - if the animal didn't find its way home by Monday, I could call back!

Anonymous said...

Scats I can't help but imagine what your reaction would have been if this request was ignored and those two animals went on and attacked and seriously injured someone. OMG !
Since dogs are "pack animals," two dogs together, especially that breed, respond much differently to a situation than one dog alone. That' s my expert opinion.

SCATS said...

To 10:43AM ~~ WHERE did I suggest the complaint should be "ignored?" My point is, as I stated before: A Town the size of Greece SHOULD HAVE ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS AVAILABLE 24/7! No one should ever be told what I was told.

FYI, a neighbor of the victim, as well as Me Chief himself, told reporters the dogs were NOT threatening, misbehaving, poorly cared for, etc. Several people have offered to adopt them, but it sounds like they might be returned to the owner ... IF he survives.

SCATS said...

ATTENTION! ~~ I've been receiving a few comments in recent times that are next to unintelligible! If you are going to text comments (my assumption ... though maybe you just don't know HOW to write intelligibly) then make sure you read it BEFORE you send it! I'm not posting this half-jibberish any more. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Would you rather it be in full-jibberish?

SCATS said...

To 4:40PM ~~ I have a translator for that!! lol

Anonymous said...

So far as this blog headline reads we are commenting on the "my son" portion. Correct?
If your son is mentally impaired, needed help, required extra supervision, was found alone with drugs, Illegal gun(s)per NY SAFEACT - and btw Daddy you are now criminally liable - if you knew, and passed out naked so bad he never heard numerous shouts for over an hour made by animal control and police...
What the hell are you complaining about when he was wounded and not killed?
I'd say he was real lucky based on all the info we have so far.
And that's info offered up by you, from officers, neighbors, and other family.

SCATS said...

To 7:11PM ~~ Sorry, but I think you are about as WRONG as wrong can be in your contention about daddy being "legally liable." First of all, the son is an ADULT and has all of the rights as an adult that you or I have. This includes the right to REJECT TREATMENT, help, therapy, medication, etc. I spent much of last year and continue spending time this year attempting to "help" a person who is mentally ill. There is very little I can do if he decides to say "no thanks!" I worked my tail off helping him get his finances in order, hospital bills paid-off, counseling sessions set-up, Social Security disability income, etc. after he lost his job AND a good portion of his sanity.

Unless a person is threatening harm to themself or another, you can not force them to accept any sort of help or intervention ... not even if they are living in a place none of us would ever want to spend an hour.

Again, you, me and Manza all have the right to sleep naked on the floor next to a gun with the door open, water running ... he wasn't threatening harm to anyone.

BTW, WTH did you get that he was "passed out"?? He was ASLEEP, according to the police chief himself ... if you believe him ...

Anonymous said...

The chickens can't lay the eggs fast enough for SCATS you will be wearing it all over your face.
TV reported both the father and mother have criminal records and Jr. is no saint. Is this the Barker family you are defending. Always take the side against the police. Really!

SCATS said...

To 8:31PM ~~ Please provide links to the reports YOU mentioned. I've heard the son had several misdemeanors. And tonight, the family's lawyer stated, once again, that Manza LEGALLY OWNS TWO LONG GUNS.

I only take the side against the cops when they are wrong.

Anonymous said...

SCATS Under the safe act if you have been treated for mental illness you can not own a gun - which the father admitted he was not taking his medication. This means he visited a doctor. That's a crime.

Anonymous said...

Under SAFEACT - which is an obvious dismal failure... No one with mental health issues can legally own firearms any longer - self report, doctor report, family report... Anyone with knowledge of those conditions and ownership can now be held liable!!!
Who sleeps naked, in an open house, with his dogs running loose, with stove on, water running, and ILLEGAL FIREARMS loaded that are pointed at officers who spent up to an hour announcing their presence?
Yeah we got MHA written all over this one, sadly the idiot chose to threaten two well trained, professionals who knew what the risk to themselves was!!!
And as earlier stated, is lucky to be alive!!!

SCATS said...

To 3:28PM & 5PM ~~ As I understand it, it's if you are DIAGNOSED with mental illness. That's not the same as getting treatment. In dealing with Mental Health issues, a diagnosis often takes a very long time and different meds might be tried before the label is actually attached.

To 5PM ~~ I do not believe you are correct about knowledge equalling "liability" either.

As for "who sleeps naked ...?" imagine this: It's a nice, late fall Sunday afternoon. You let the dogs out to the fenced-in back yard and leave the door to the house open so they can get back in the house when they like. It is YOUR habit to do so when the weather permits. You have a pot of homemade soup or sauce simmering on the back burner of the stove. The annoying leak of the kitchen faucet has become more of a constant stream than a drip ... something you need to remind the landlord about. You feel tired, go into your bedroom and think about taking a shower. You undress, decide to lie down on the floor - maybe it helps your back - and fall asleep after reaching for the gun you keep by the bed. You do NOT realize the dogs have jumped the fence, or wiggled the door open. You have no idea the cops will come by and decide your "welfare" has been compromised just because you don't hear them calling, tapping and knocking* ...

No, this is NOT far-fetched at all! It's called living life and just because YOU wouldn't do it, it is NOT outside the realms of "normal behavior" at all! In reality, Jared Rene is LUCKY TO BE ALIVE!

* I know people who SLEPT THROUGH THE ICE STORM OF '91 WITH TREES FALLING ON THEIR HOME!!

Anonymous said...

SCATS I did not know you write for Grimm's fairy tales! You forgot the babbling brook by the house. You left out the part that he just got home from church and is getting ready to take his mother to bingo. Your story even Jerry Mathews couldn't pull off as the beaver.

SCATS said...

To 10:59PM ~~ Oh puh-leeze! I took the FACTS given by Phelan himself and put them into a LOGICAL context that even YOU should be able to understand.

This man's otherwise peaceful home was invaded by a couple of pistol-happy cops. Why didn't Animal Control take the dogs to the vet's boarding place for the night when this fellow didn't ANSWER HIS DOOR? When did it become a crime to NOT answer the damned door? Honestly, I often ignore my ringing doorbell. Why? Because I'm not interested in dealing with people who are selling everything from phony coupon books to replacement windows to (worst of all) their brand of religion. MANZA COMMITTED NO CRIME THE DAY HE WAS SHOT!! Period.

Anonymous said...

12:00AM SCATS Wrong! He committed a crime by having a weapon and mental illness. His father said he had it and a doctor prescribed medicine. You can denie it all you want but a doctor does not prescribe medicine for an illness unless their judgement is there is an illness. Yes they may try different drugs only to find the correct one to treat the illness.

SCATS said...

To 2:11PM ~~ Actually, a Dr. often prescribes a med to treat something OTHER THAN the illness the med was developed to treat. Example: antibiotics weren't developed to treat STDs, but are used to cure them.

A Dr. can say: "It sounds like you are suffering from XYZ, so let's try this med and see if you feel better in 6 weeks." Mental illness "diagnoses" are seldom accomplished in the short run and are often dependent on trying a regimen of therapy and/or meds OVER TIME to see if any relief is had. If so, then the first "guess" becomes the diagnosis! If not, it's back to the DSM-5 for another approach.

I wonder how many people reading this BLOG routinely take anti-depressants? I wonder how many people reading this BLOG suffer from depression AND own a gun? In truth, depression IS a mental illness. So are anxiety attacks, and a number of other COMMON mental hygiene-related problems. Did someone come to your home and confiscate any guns you may have? Were you even asked if you own any? HELL NO!

BTW, since when did it become "a crime" to have mental illness? Is it a crime for a mentally ill person to own a crossbow? A machete? Rat poison? Strichnine? A rope? Chains? WHY NOT??

Anonymous said...

SCATs you seem to be using capitols and bold a lot in your posts here - does that imply anger, or a supposition that you doth protest too much to logic? I also see that your arguments are slowly changing.
My two cents...
If the police arrive for any call in my neighborhood - find my front door wide open in the weather conditions we all know to exist that day, noises coming from my home - water running, no response to shouts into the front door, and all the other "facts", then I want them to enter.
What if I've had a heart attack and am lying naked on my bedroom floor? what if I am being robbed, raped, assaulted, or contemplating suicide?
In any of those fairy tales do I point my loaded gun at two armed police officers and expect to not be shot?

SCATS said...

To 6:05PM ~~ There is no other way to place emphasis than to use either caps or bold, etc. Capisce?

As for the weather that day, it certainly wasn't a bad day in MY world - a little plot in Greece NY. The sun was out at least part of the day. It was starting to warm up as we headed towards Tuesday's last glimpse of summer.

Let's take YOUR initial rendition of this so called fairy tale (cops = fairies?? I don't know, you tagged it as such.) ... Let's change but ONE FACT - Instead of two cops, let's have it be YOU and ME that conducted this so-called 'welfare check' on our friend, who we are oh so deeply concerned about.

Guess what?

WE WOULD BE SITTING IN A CELL SOMEWHERE, AWAITING OUR DAY IN COURT, likely charged with attempted murder!!!

I'll await logical arguments/responses to THIS SCENARIO, period. I expect to hear LOTS of crickets ... chirp ...

Anonymous said...

SCATS you seem to say Capisce a lot. My father had a big Chevy Capisce when I was a kid. I know it wasn't a belair or Impala has to be a Capisce. They were nice cars. If you ever want to see one you can go to a classic car show they are bound to have one there. I like the shinny black ones.

SCATS said...

To 8:49PM ~~ There is no such thing as a Chevy Capisce, LMAO! Try C-a-p-r-i-c-e ;)

Now, let's get back to my previous posting ... and the cricket chirp.

Anonymous said...

SCATS i must be missing the part where 6:05 said "cop=fairies"?? Also if u and 6:05 are checking on the "welfare of your friend", i would think one if not both of u would be sitting 6ft under or in the ER with a bullet wound. That is unless u or 6:05 are packing heat? Why not try sticking with one story line at a time instead of changing your story when u clearly are wrong and get called out. I dont know, or have ever even heard of anyone in their rt mind sleeping naked on the floor, with a gun, house wide open, water running, dogs loose and a stove on. This guy was not taking his meds for whatever he needed them for yet could not be aroused by 2 GPD and animal control banging on doors and windows and yelling who they were for over an hour?? U honest to God see nothing wrong with that? Yet u have the nerve to call others names? Wow, just WOW!!

Anonymous said...

FYI Im pretty sure if this naked sleeping angel didnt point a loaded gun at them, none of this would have happened. Im pretty sure even the dumbest person on earth knows not to point a weapon at a cop. Common sense 101 SCATS

SCATS said...

To 12:40AM ~~ 6:05 called it a "fairy tale" & I'm asking WHO he/she is calling a fairy. I know it's hard to keep up, but please try.

Also, the only things I changed in the scenario were spelled out specifically. It's not 2 cops, but 2 friends. So yes, they are carrying guns and everything else remains the same. Nice attempt to distract away from my contention, which you FAILED to address. The two friends would be charged & in jail.

PS ~~ Lots of people choose to not take their meds, often due to the cost, side effects, etc. No law broken there! Also, who did I call names??

To 12:54AM ~~ When first awakened from a deep sleep, I'm pretty sure you are a bit disoriented at first. Same thing in this situation. ANYONE WOULD BE!

Anonymous said...

Maybe go back and read your 7:18 comment. You're the one who wrote "cops=fairies". You are the only one that wrote that. 6:05 said fairy tale. DUHH!!!

Anonymous said...

He was not disoriented enough to have and point a loaded gun. Nothing u say makes any sense. Just another sad attempt to bash those that serve and protect.

SCATS said...

To 11:49AM ~~ Your vision is VERY selective, isn't it? What I ACTUALLY WROTE was a question, not name-calling: (cops = fairies?? I don't know, you tagged it as such.)

Why is it that a few of you have so much trouble reading English for meaning?

SCATS said...

To 11:53AM ~~ The gun was already loaded. He did NOT shoot! I am NOT the only person who sees this incident as a slap in the face of the Constitution. Try reading other sources. Most won't allow YOU to talk back though ;)

I have no need to "bash" the cops. They do a fine job of putting themselves in these ridiculous messes on their own.

SCATS said...

BTW, no one has asked WHY it took our super cop TWO shots to land one (Thank God for Manza's sake!). JR had the advantage: a weapon in his hand & ready to shoot; the element of "surprise"; close range; a relatively stationary target ...

Anonymous said...

Jiminy seems to be unquiet!
And I see no other supporters of your position posting here...
Perhaps you should elicit some from those other elusive sources to which you allude!
Shooting people instead of paper and tin is much different! I.E. muscle memory, instinct, and point while retreating for cover!
My firearms training - military, police, and self defense all taught three shots - two to center of mass and last to head if possible. 50% accuracy in tight quarters while under duress is very good, especially if it stopped the assailant from firing!!!
What expertise on firearms does the moderator of this blog profess?
Perhaps an old fashioned duel between us would prove my prowess and training against yours. And also prove that a single gut shot, while low would end the contest very quickly?

SCATS said...

To 6:19PM ~~ I'm not holding a contest. And there's NOTHING "elusive" about the other sources. They are all there, if you care to check them out. But you won't, because then you'd have to DEFEND your ridiculous position.

50% accuracy against a confined, sleeping target?? LMAO!!! My God, I can do better than that at the carnival games :)

As for your suggestion of a duel, THANK YOU FOR JUST PROVING YOUR SHAKY MENTAL HEALTH STATUS. I better send GPD to do a welfare check on YOU!

Anonymous said...

So now he was confined??

Anonymous said...

Here SCATS, some support from other sources:

http://rochester.craigslist.org/rnr/4757013781.html

http://rochester.craigslist.org/rnr/4760917035.html

http://rochester.craigslist.org/rnr/4762396135.html

http://rochester.craigslist.org/rnr/4763579552.html

Anonymous said...

Relax Cowboy...
I think 6:19's suggestion of a duel is mocking you.
I also don't think even you believe the victim was shot while asleep. But moving and aiming his shotgun,threatening that officer.
Last,It is a contest of public opinion a jury of peers will decide whether to charge or not.
I'm banking with the crickets here. You know who I mean those not in support on this blog and those in very minor numbers on Craigslist - that time worn honored realistic source of information and crap for sale and whores for hire!

SCATS said...

To 5:23PM ~~ I believe the VICTIM (even YOU called him a VICTIM, instead of a "suspect!"!) was abruptly awakened and reached for his gun automatically, not understanding WHY someone was in HIS HOME!! I believe he was shot BEFORE he was able to make sense of why STRANGERS WERE IN HIS BEDROOM.

I can't wait for that jury of HIS peers either. In my circles (friends, family, colleagues, etc.) EVERYONE agrees with me that his home was INVADED by uninvited, trigger-happy cops who stomped on his Constitutional rights in the name of a "welfare check" that NO ONE REQUESTED. Let's not forget, this was in response to a call about ROAMING DOGS,nothing sinister at all. Let's not forget the cops failed to do what they would USUALLY DO when no one answers the knock on the door. They should have had the dogs taken to be boarded at the vets until the owner was reached. It's REALLY that simple.

SCATS said...

BTW 5:23PM ~~ GPD will be stopping by your place for a welfare check & to see how you know about the ho's for hire on CL ;)