Wednesday, November 26, 2014

Police Have Holiday Inn Fire Suspect


Phelan would not identify the suspect in the case. “There’s identified investigative steps that have to be finished and that’s what they’re working on right now. And we hope to be able to do that relatively soon.”

Bud Phillips has REFUSED to be interviewed by police.

WHEC

May 2011: “As the chief of the Ridge Road Fire District, I’m supportive of opening the investigation again. It’s been opened a couple times. I support them looking at it again, and as I did in 1978, I, as well as the department, will fully cooperate with them.” ~~ Bud Phillips

SCATS ~~ I guess "cooperation" has an expiration date!

25 comments:

Anonymous said...

What a joke Obviuosly Me chief and Relic have become unhinged due to the upcoming memorial and media exposure. As a result they had to come yup with something that would be viewed as positive progress in the ongoing 35 year investigation. What BS is released in the form of Me Chief explaining that investigative steps must be be completed in hopes that it would be done SOON. This now begs the obvious question Inmy mind. To what end will these STEPS result. Will they lead to the naming and charging of a suspect with 10 counts of murder? If not, where are they in so doing. Because if not, they are no closer to the resolution of this case than they were 35 yrs ago.
The biggest joke involves word usage from person of interest to suspect. Now if that's all they got to portray as progress hilarious at best. Why is this true? It's really quite transparent. From the outset 35 years ago , there was but one and only one suspect. However he was never officially given that designation. Instead the the phrase PERSON OF INTEREST was coined to keep the suspect talking to them and cooperating with investigators. According to published reports, this person has now been officially informed that he is now considered a suspect, This now changes the previous ground rules attached to person of interest. As an official suspect, it's time for the P I to Lawyer up and end any cooperation with investigators, Scats, therefore your assertion of time limits comes into play of necessity on the part of the former
PI designation.
In my opinion, unless the cops have established evidence of probable cause and information and belief, they will not name the suspect unless these conditions exist and an arrest is made and the case presented to a grand jury for possible indictment. To do otherwise,would open the floodgates of civil litigation against the town that very well could result in sudden riches for the PI turned suspect.
Until this happens,present conditions and statements are a farce.

SCATS said...

To 9:55AM ~~ To be perfectly honest, the fact that this sudden development of a "suspect" happened on the anniversary date, just before a very loooong holiday weekend, has me raising one eyebrow. It's become my impression that Greece police have been playing games (starting with Baxter), hoping to get Phillips or anyone else they might include to feel pressured enough to confess, or come forth with a statement ... or something.

I hadn't thought about Relich's involvement, but you are probably correct. Gee, I wonder if Bill & Pat will attend the memorial, hmmm ... maybe Bud should be invited, too lol

Anonymous said...

We could take it to the Ferguson grand jury and ask them what to do....They seem to have a clear insight into the law and what evidence is needed to indict.

SCATS said...

To 11:55AM ~~ I don't think everyone would agree with that.

Anonymous said...

It's a difficult & time consuming task to construct an arson case because somebody made a stupid statement years ago.

A real investigation looks at evidence and comes to a conclusion. When you start with the conclusion of arson, it's a bitch to make the available evidence fit.

Anonymous said...

9:55am Again Grimms fairy tales. Relic and Pat coming up with this and unhinged. What a joke! The tragedy did not happen on their watch and since they both have been in their positions for less than a year they bare no responsibility for this. This has been dealt with for over 35 years I hardly think they are any more responsible than anyone else living in town.
I guess everything is evil and diabolical.

SCATS said...

To 3:56PM ~~ What "stupid statement" was made? By whom??

To 9:55PM ~~ Fairy tales usually involve fantastic forces and beings who provide a happy ending after a string of improbable events. There is nothing "happy" about this event, at all!

Anonymous said...

You know full well WHO KittyCat.

You refuse to publish reality because you're a scared cat.
You should spend some time learning about potential liability, and less time cowering in your litter box.

SCATS said...

To 11:01PM ~~ I have no clue. As I've said many times before, I do NOT read minds. I also do not assume.

Anonymous said...

3:56 BINGO!,!!!!!

9:55 of course this happened on some else's watch. Unfortunately, they inherited this mess from previous officials. As such, being the officials of record now, they are the ones left in its wake to answer questions related to it. It's especially rough for Patrick as he inherited it from Dear Old Dad.

Anonymous said...

I truly hope for all parties that this isn't just fodder to keep up artificial hopes. It would be cruel to play on the hopes & concerns of all involved. Be it the victims' families or those close to the projected suspect, this is an emotional time.

One would assume that the police are pretty confident in their findings if they are willing to make such a statement. Regardless of who the suspect is or whether he or she is found guilty, I pray these developments bring some semblance of truth and justice to all affected.

SCATS said...

To 7:31PM ~~ AMEN!

Anonymous said...

7:31 while I share your sentiments, as a person with knowledge of the initial findings of the subsequent extensive investigation that followed, I still remain skeptical with regard to recent alledged developments.
Without going into detail, from the outset, the night of the fire, there was only one person who was considered a " suspect" . Without mentioning his name, I think by this time we all know who that was and remains to this day.
I must admit the one thing that continues to bother me to this day, is why that person allowed himself to be labeled as a Person of interest during these many years that followed and continued to cooperate with investigators. These are some of the reasons I say this.
Immediatly following the fire, he was grilled by two teams of detectives for over eight hours. One would think that being subjected to this treatment, he would realize he was being treated much differently than a witness or a person with knowlege.In my mind that should have raised the first of two very distinct red flags.
The second came recently when, armed with a search warrant, his office and premises were raided by PD investigators.
Now here's what troubles me. The suspect could have easily put a stop to these constant requested interviews at any time,especially after the search warrant raid. All he needed to do at any time during these years is to show up either alone or with lawyer In tow and asked one simple question ON the record. That question, AM I A SUSPECT ? Investigators at the time would have been obligated to tell him so at which time further talks do not happen without legal representation present This would have forced the hand of the investgators and ended any gamesmanship being played out by the PD.
It is my sincere hope, that recent statements are based in truth on factual new developments in the investigation or a continuation misleading statements aimed at showing artificial progress in developing evidence connecting the suspect to the fire. Time will no doubt

Anonymous said...

9:41. I understand your reasoning, but did you ever consider the possibility that if Phillips had done as you said it might have resulted in him looking guilty by failing to cooperate? Or maybe he knew they were fishing , really had nothing on him and was just letting the cops spin their wheels all these years. I personally believe that he decided long ago to play the same game the cops were playing and just went along.
As far as I'm concerned, if not for the unexpected international exposure brought about by the family of one of the victims, this case would have landed in the Greece land fill long ago.

SCATS said...

To 3:14PM ~~ The oh so typical "blame the victims" mentality Greece is well known for!

Anonymous said...

I don't know where you got the idea I was blaming the victims of this fire at all. I was just expressing the obvious fact that until one of the victims family members got involved , hired an investigator a few years ago in an attempt to get some movement by the local PD to get justice for his family member who died in the fire,this investigation was as dead as a door nail in the minds of the locals. I actually applaud his decision to get involved as it applied the pressure needed to kick start the investigation .

SCATS said...

To 5:33PM ~~ It was from the tone of the last paragraph of your previous posting. I mistook it as a complaint. My apologies.

Anonymous said...

According to a relative in town for the holidays who was a former employee in the D A's office, that office is involved in this investigation.
She says that the DA employes a number of to work along side local PD's during the investigation process concerning special cases. Some are assigned to the White Collar Crime Division, others to Violent Crimes.
In addition to helping with the investigation, they are charged with the responsibility of making sure resulting evidence is compatible with enough probable cause to make a successful presentation to a Grand Jury as well as sufficient enough to result in a successful prosecution in a court of law.
Accordingly and based on recent info released, she is Confident that this is the case with the ongoing Holiday Inn investigation.
She is troubled by recent statement from the department that a presentation to the DA's office will not take place for about two months. Her take on this would seem to indicate that necessary evidence at this point does not meet the standard required.

SCATS said...

To 10:17AM ~~ Your relative is troubled by those statements, or do you mean Doorley??

Anonymous said...

No , I meant what I said. Nothing to do with her at all.

Anonymous said...

My neighbor is a volunteer fireman but not in Greece and I understand there's a board that appoints the fire chief every year. Does anybody know how this works? Maybe they should "unappoint" this Phillips guy. And why isn't he in custody yet if he really is the suspect? If he isn't the bad guy then why won't he cooperate with the police anymore?

SCATS said...

To 1:29PM ~~ Don't be surprised if in response you hear only the familiar sound of crickets chirping.

Anonymous said...

As we all have witnessed over the years and especially most recently in Ferguson, Mo., what you think you know and what you can prove are very different.
If you go forward with trying to prosecute unsubstantiated, politically motivated, and refutable facts you lose.
And in doing so, undermine the legal process - meaning that further higher court cases become more problematic and therefore less likely to be proven.

SCATS said...

To 7:47PM ~~ Thankfully, I'm not the only person who fails to share your pessimism about this case and "the" perp.

Anonymous said...

7:47 again
Was there and know that...
We agree about "perp" and I know in my heart and mind the truth.
My statement meant that there needs to be proof, beyond doubt, irrefutable, and not damaging to an upward appeal by prosecution - if they fail initially.