Sunday, November 02, 2014

How Safe/Unsafe Is Artificial Turf?



Can We Afford To Take Chances?

READ :  the accompanying story contains many facts, figures & links

If you don't find any of this disturbing enough, then ask yourself:
HOW do they sanitize these fields after they are played on by spitting, sweating, bleeding athletes for tomorrow's gym class?



33 comments:

Anonymous said...

Quite a few years ago activist Nancy Braiman tried to bring this issue to the attention of the School Board She was ignored.

Anonymous said...

Scats. Get over it. IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN and there is nothing you are going to do about it. The cleaning equipment will be included in the proposal .All reimbursed at 85% by the State.
And yes, it's everyone's tax dollars in play. It pretty much comes down to one fact. IF WE DON,'T GET OURS, ANOTHER DISTRICT WILL.it's just the way it works unfortunately .

SCATS said...

To 2:59PM ~~ Our BOE ignores anyone who doesn't support their agenda.

To 3:36PM ~~ Who will reimburse us when the lawsuits begin? I asked a question & YOU ignored it. Will YOU let your kids play on it? If you say yes, then I bet you didn't bother watching the video or reading any of the info posted.

Greece's new motto: "Let them eat, breathe and roll in little black dots."

Anonymous said...

The benefit of turf is????

SCATS said...

To 7:34AM ~~ So the parents can watch even more kids ruin their knees, backs, necks, brains playing 24/7, instead of having to give the field a rest. ANY argument about cost savings is largely hogwash!

As for buying the equipment "to clean the turf" ... I'm sure Greece will buy it. But I'm also pretty sure it will sit in an out-of-the-way location unused, too. This district doesn't even bother routinely cleaning the gym or wrestling mats. Kids get skin infections, etc. as a byproduct of PE class.

Anonymous said...

Like I said before, give it a rest scats. You can rail all you want with all your uninformed comment about turf. It's going to happen and would it surprise you to know, it might be safer than the surfaces our kids already play on. This is not just speculation on my part as it is based on scientific studies done in other areas of the country, state and counties and personal Independant studies conducted by myself with regard to the past history of the Town of Greece dating back a few hundred years.
Before you challenge me to prove it, rest assured, when the time is right, I will do just that but not in this format.

Anonymous said...

Wah, wah, germs....join the 21st century.

SCATS said...

To 12:52PM ~~ Why should I "give it a rest" if I disagree with it?? FYI, MY $$ WILL BE USED, TOO. I will speak as long as I have breath in my lungs :)

As for your proof, any "personal Independant studies conducted by myself with regard to the past history of the Town of Greece dating back a few hundred years" concerning the safety of artificial turf vs. grass is POPPYCOCK! There are no such stats!! My BS meter is going wild, LMAO!!

To 2PM ~~ Yes, 21st century germs, like flesh-eating bacteria, including MRSA, necrotizing fasciitis, Fournier gangrene, and other antibiotic-resistant infections caused by staph, strep and other Super bugs. Do you REALLY want to risk it for a game?

Anonymous said...

life is a risk Scats. You can find those germs on the handle on Walmart shopping carts and probably every door handle in any public rest room. Should we all just stay home?

SCATS said...

To 4:19PM ~~ How is touching a door similar to rolling around on a pile of shredded tire nubs that can't possibly be "cleaned" and that get into your hair, nose, ears, mouth and even your cuts and abrasions?

Anonymous said...

a germ is a germ no matter where it sits, turf or doorknob. And apparently the turf can be cleaned. Will it be? who knows, but who knows when or if that door knob was cleaned either. My point is, there are germs everywhere. Either sit home in your protective bubble or get out and live your life.

SCATS said...

To 8:54PM ~~ Let's return to the original BLOG posting. It wasn't about germs, but about CANCER.

Still, no one has stated they would allow THEIR kid to play on this stuff. I think parents should sign releases that nullify any responsibility of GCSD from future harm their kids might experience from playing on this stuff. Stand up for it as a safe product, or shut-up. Simple.

SCATS said...

Apparently, some of you don't understand what this means: "Let's return to the original BLOG posting. It wasn't about germs, but about CANCER." That's too bad, because I'm not posting about the diversions.

Again, I'll ask and we will wait for some responses: WHO among you will let their kid play on this stuff AFTER reading through some of the links? WHO of YOU will stand up for this product?? This topic is big enough to make NATIONAL HEADLINES more than once in recent months. Before we waste our money, let's weigh the pros & cons.

Anonymous said...

I will continue to allow my children to play on turf fields.

There is absolutely no scientific evidence that the fields contributed to the cancer reported in the story above. Everyone involved agreed to that. In fact, all evidence to date suggests that the fields are NOT dangerous.

If the fields cause cancer at a rate greater than the normal public, then where are all of the cases of cancer in football players or lacrosse players or field hockey players who also use those fields?

Correlation does not equal causation. Perhaps more studies can be useful, but keep in mind that no study has yet to indicate an increased risk of cancer.

SCATS said...

To 12:54PM ~~ OMG, someone FINALLY answered the question!! TY.

Your second sentence is not quite accurate. There is no CONCLUSIVE evidence (yet).

People need to remember that it was a VERY long time before we had "conclusive evidence" that smoking caused cancer, heart disease, COPD and other illnesses.

The posted story specifically focuses on female soccer goalies who wear less protection (uniform & gear) ... not football players or other athletes who are more covered. These girls also tend to ingest more of the ground rubber due to the nature of their game.

So, at least one parent is willing to offer up their children. I wonder what you would tell them IF by chance they came down with the exact same cancer in the next 5 yrs. Hmmm...

SCATS said...

To the genius who 'claims' few germs survive long outside the body ~~ No, I will NOT post your INCORRECT INFO! MRSA & other treatment resistant bugs (which were the only germs we were talking about) can survive many weeks on other surfaces depending upon various conditions, substrate, etc.

There's LOTS of info avail. online about it, just be careful to choose a VALID SOURCE.

BTW, about 1% of the people are CARRIERS of MRSA ... they have no symptoms, but can spread the bug.

Anonymous said...

Our boy Jeepster went to some function where all the kids sat around on that astroturf stuf for a couple hours.
Couple days after Cherokee had little bugs crawling around in his public hairs. Itched like hell according to him.

BethAnn had to run him over to the Health Department who gave him some salve to rub on himself.

I don't think the rug is a good idea, don't want more kids getting them little turf bugs.

SCATS said...

To 1:09AM ~~ IF that could happen, Greece is where it would be! TY for the laugh lol

Anonymous said...

Scats let's put it this why, there are no such studies that YOU are aware of . After all, self admittedly, you have said before that you don't know everything , a fair and honest claim. However as I indicted earlier , I will produce the evidence that will back up my claim at the appropriate time and place and in person. 12:52

Anonymous said...

SCATS - There's another, potentially larger health concern I haven't seen mentioned related to turf installations in Greece. It has to do with the very high surface tempurature these installations are known to achieve on hot days. This is because they absorb heat. Studies have shown that applying water to turf can bring the temperature of the surface down, but only for a short time. That amount of time can be as little as 5 minutes!

The NY State Department of Health site states - "Water can be applied to synthetic turf to reduce the surface temperatures on warm days. A study at BYU found that watering synthetic turf lowered the surface temperature from 174°F to 85°F, but the temperature rose to 120°F in five minutes and to 164°F in twenty minutes. A study conducted by Penn State University on experimental synthetic turf plots examined the effect of watering synthetic turf on surface temperature. Measurements were made on three occasions. For one monitoring period, surface temperatures ranging from about 130° to 160°F were lowered initially to about 75°F, but increased within 30 minutes to temperatures ranging from about 90° to 120°F, where they remained fairly stable for the three-hour monitoring period."

Obviously, heat exhaustion, heat stroke and related reactions are concerning with surface temperatures in such ranges. Who will be responsible for monitoring these conditions and seeing to the health of the athletes?

SCATS said...

To 7:19AM ~~ IF SUCH A STUDY EXISTS, IT WOULD NOT BE BURIED !That's not what believable science does. Pulling it out of your arse at midnight before vote day will prove nothing ... aside from the fact you had nothing much to share from the gitgo. There's NO valid reason to delay discussion of this topic, other than FEAR on your part.

To 9:54AM ~~ TY for the info! Reading this makes me wonder how many kids who have collapsed during those late summer practices did so on turf fields hot enough to make soup!

Anonymous said...

Sorry scats, you will just have to wait . As I said before, this would be the last place I would use to release that information . Your refusal to except facts in the past on this site that don't square with your agenda, are routinely twisted, spun and trashed to discredit them. So forget a bout it, I will choose the right time and venue to place the information for public review for the second time in the past 15 years. Besides, the results of a current study being conducted are as yet not complete and conclusive.

SCATS said...

To 10:43AM ~~ I call BS to your "study" since it is both INCOMPLETE & NONCONCLUSIVE! There is no way it will be both complete AND conclusive before March 2015, so it really doesn't matter :)

Anonymous said...

Scats, you didn't read my comment as to content. One study I did , was done over 15years ago and was published in the D & C What I actually said was that I was going to release the results of that study again making it the second time In 15 years that I went public with those conclusions backed up by scientific data.
With regards to the current study, I have no idea what that date represents. I am not involved in this investigation so I have no idea when it will be conclusive as to it's findings and the potential impact on the subject under discussion.
One thing I can say with confidence is the fact that this thread will be long gone before that, not that it matters.

SCATS said...

To 6:13PM ~~ I assure you that I ALWAYS read for content. When I ignore that content, it's usually because it's baseless.

According to the Center for Environmental Health: "Artificial turf that uses infill made from recycled tires (“crumb rubber”) contains a cocktail of toxic chemicals, including benzothiazole, carbon black, and heavy metals. As the Mt. Sinai Children’s Environmental Health Center has written: “Exposures to chemicals present in crumb rubber at very high levels, typical of animal or occupational studies, are known to cause birth defects, neurologic and developmental deficits, and some can even cause cancer.

Children are particularly vulnerable to toxic threats. Children have increased exposure to toxic chemicals due to the unique way they interact with their environment. Because they are growing and developing, their bodies are also more susceptible than adults to chemical exposures."

Based upon that alone, schools should be the LAST place where we decide to risk lives of the young.!

A study conducted 15 yrs. ago was likely done in the infancy of, if not before any sort of 'widespread' use of crumb rubber infill. That alone makes it outdated. A current study that is 'inconclusive' will NOT be made conclusive by March, as I stated before.

While this thread may be archived, I assure you it will not be "long gone."

Anonymous said...

Seem to recall that Billy Clinton fellow bragging on him having an AssTroTurf shagging mat in the back of his Chevy Elcumino back a while, and driving it around Arkansas. Now I'm thinking that AssTroTurf might have put Hitlery into meltdown or at least softboiled her brain.

Maybe we could get a chunk of the used Buffalo Bills rug some guy sells on Craigslist, and have Babs sit on it in a lotus position and see what develops.

I'd even be willing to spray Babs down to keep her cool.

SCATS said...

To 12:18AM ~~ Too late. Babs is already all wet lol

Anonymous said...

Scats You continue to be confused about the content of my posts. Allow me to draw your attention to my original post of12:52. You will notice that I never once referred to artificial turf as the bases of my personal study done at that time. What I did say was the turf our children are currently playing on might not be safer. Actually, I have not formed an opinion either way on the pros and cons of artificial turf.
The study I did 15 yrs ago and it's subsequent findings that were published in the D & C at the time, ultimately led to the creation of state and federal laws that were In acted as a result and verified by similar
government studies.
I am very proud that as result of my efforts, a hazardous situation, effecting the welfare of children every where, no longer exists.

SCATS said...

To 10:08AM ~~ I am very proud of my efforts and talents with the English language and will demonstrate to you that YOU are extremely CONFUSED by your own rantings. Let's decipher the posted comment you mention. Wherever you use the word "IT" I am filling in what you meant by "IT" with the meaning in parentheses.

Like I said before, give it (artificial turf for GCSD) a rest scats. You can rail all you want with all your uninformed comment about turf. (YOU even say the word here!) It's (Artificial turf for GCSD) going to happen and would it (artificial turf for GCSD) surprise you to know, it (artificial turf) might be safer than the surfaces our kids already play on. This is not just speculation on my part as it (the comparison of artificial turf) is based on scientific studies done in other areas of the country, state and counties and personal Independant studies conducted by myself with regard to the past history of the Town of Greece dating back a few hundred years.
Before you challenge me to prove it (the safety of artificial turf), rest assured, when the time is right, I will do just that (prove the safety of artificial turf over grass) but not in this format.


11/03/2014 12:52 PM

Did I get "IT" wrong? No, of course not!

No more comments will be posted explaining how confused I am when clearly you don't get "IT."

Anonymous said...

Scats (Artificial) your word not mine does not appear in my comment . Surely as a self proclaimed literary expert, you surely are aware of different applications of the term TURF .The word IT in the context of my comment does not refer to ARTIFICIAL, but mearly TURF. . NICE TRY THOUGH What went completely over your head was". the history of the town of Greece dating Back a few hundred years"
In the mean time , Iam content in what I know and you do not about contamination and the work that I did 15 years ago that resulted in laws that may have saved countless lives in the State and the rest of the country.
I couldn't be prouder of that achievement in my life.

SCATS said...

To 1:52PM ~~ My 'try' wasn't only 'nice' it was ON TARGET! When you told me to "give it a rest" you were referring to my comments about ARTIFICIAL TURF! Thus, it is implied that your response to me was about ARTIFICIAL TURF.

Besides it would make no sense at all for you to try to claim that saying "It's going to happen" or "it might be safer" was referring to anything other than fake grass ;)

Please see an English teacher for a deeper understanding of your difficulties writing. We're done with the lesson here.

Anonymous said...

Maybe we could all chip in a buck or two and get a deal going with the fellow on Craigslist.
http://rochester.craigslist.org/bfd/4721226907.html

We might be able to get samples for Babs' office.

SCATS said...

To 11:51PM ~~ @ 41 cents/sq ft, we could redo floors throughout GCSD!