Wednesday, October 01, 2014

Library Bookstore On Reilich's Hit List


According to an editorial that appeared in today's Greece Post, Supervisor Reilich has slated  for closure the used bookstore located in the main branch of the Greece Public Library.

Apparently, he thinks a coffee shop would make a fine substitute.

I'm wondering if this is another area where the activities permitted & promoted by a former administration border on the illegal ...

Mr. Reilich, does this mean you will fund the Greece Public Library to a realistic level for the size of our community, instead of expecting a bunch of PTA-type volunteers to fund-raise $50,000+/year to purchase items and provide programs our tax dollars should cover?
  

75 comments:

Anonymous said...

Be happy with what you have, before the current administration begins burning books in the parking lot in the name of 'family values'.

Anonymous said...

The town funds the library over 3.1 million tax dollars each year. The book store pays no rent and gets the space for free. It is not closing just moving 15 feet in the library.

SCATS said...

To 6:59PM ~~ Moving 15 ft. TO WHERE? More importantly, WHY??? As the editorial pointed out, this space was PLANNED FOR by the previous Supervisor as part of an expansion, plus the previous attempt to sell coffee in the stacks was a total flop.

Despite whatever figure you say the town funds for, I will bet that it's not proportionate per capita to either the size of our community or the circulation volume we experience each year.

Anonymous said...

You can try and make it bad but the town funds the library more than any other town. At 30,000 square feet plus a branch library it is larger and as nice as any in the county.
Are the people that go to Barnes and noble different than those that go to the library? Are they smarter? I think not. Go to Barnes and Noble at the mall any give time and their are people drinking coffee reading books.
This is nothing more than a further commitment (first was a five year lease on the branch library) second adding to the library another amenity to improve the experience. Third was funding the library over 3 million dollars. Stop complaining you don't even know when you have something good.

SCATS said...

To 8:58PM ~~ I know what's good. I also RECALL what flopped ... miserably, at that!

Who will make up for the lost funding from book sales? Again, WHY do we need coffee at the library? WHOSE idea was this? WHO will be serving it? Town employees? Library staff? Can we get donuts with that? Are we trying to attract cops to reading? Make mine jelly ...

Anonymous said...

I keep saying ti.
Just wait a little while longer and you'll see the Hairburger years as the Good Old Days.

Coffee shop has to be something Antelli will administer. He has experience finding suckers with money to rent food vending operations that survive mere months.

Speaking of Rick, what's the deal with the Monroe Ambulance office in N Greece Plaza? Oddly there never seem to be any people in the office, just closed window blinds and a CCTV camera out front to spy on people. Even has a sign telling people they are ILLEGALLY recording audio.

SCATS said...

To 1:13AM ~~ I'm not sure it matters whether it's Antelli or someone else. In the end, there was NO DEMAND for a coffee bar in the past and I've heard no call for one now. Sometimes politicians tinker with the damndest stuff. I think this is one of those times.

Anonymous said...

1:13AM I think it is more than a stretch to compare a difference of opinion of a coffee shop and trying to improve the library to Hairburger's scandals and murder. Really!
Do you really want him back?

Anonymous said...

To Whomever

What's the mission for library?

What's the purpose of the change?

SCATS said...

To 9:23AM ~~ I don't think it's a stretch at all. If anything, Auggie taught us that NOTHING is ever really what it seems to be.

BTW, how does a coffeeshop IMPROVE the library?? Are the collections so boring that patrons are falling asleep and causing trouble at closing?

SCATS said...

To 9:58AM ~~ Expect to hear crickets chirping ... ;)

Anonymous said...

I'd rather have a lemonade stand.

One should be available cheap from the east side in about a month.

Anonymous said...

To: SCATS

What are claims for making change?

Who has authority?

Does Town Board approve?

Letter in Greece Post today, Oct 2.

SCATS said...

To 12:51PM ~~ You know as much as I do from reading the editorial. This is Greece. They tell us NOTHING they don't absolutely have to ... and even then, I'm not sure we're told what we should be.

Anonymous said...

I noticed the same thing at the Monroe ambulance office the prior poster mentioned. Does anyone know what that is in North Greece Plaza?

Anonymous said...

I read recently a call for applicants for appointment to the library board - 5yr term I believe.

Where does current library board stand on coffee shop proposal? Can't imagine much interest with prospective new members if board is not listened to.

Has there been any survey of interest on part of community... library patrons, etc.

SCATS said...

To 2:39PM ~~ Let us not forget that the Director of Library Services was recently replaced. I'm wondering how we ended up with so many vacancies on the Library Board right at the same time ... hmm ...

Again, the coffeeshop & snack bar idea didn't fly in the past. How many places can one buy coffee within 1 mile of the library? Let's start counting ...

Tim Horton's, Dunkin' Donuts, Wegmans, Soho's, Long Pond Family Restaurant, Ricci's, McDonald's ... and I'm sure I missed a few more.

Anonymous said...

What does the library board do by the way? And I don't ask that faciciously. I really am curious as to what they do. And all they really a political organization like the school board?

Anonymous said...

3:07PM Scats you are on to something, I follow your logic. There are many places to buy coffee near the library! Since they are all still here there must be a big demand. Perfect then the library should be a hit. It seems to be a big hit a Barnes and Noble and no, no one is falling a sleep there but the library has now become a gathering point like a village square. The library employees all support this move strongly as does the library board.

SCATS said...

To 5:35PM ~~ Great question! This is the first time I've ever seen a call go out for new folks to sit on it. In the name of closed, clubby & corrupt, maybe they top the charts.

To 5:44PM ~~ How do YOU know what ALLthe library employees & board members support? Your writing is borderline literate.

PS ~~ When they wanted to build a Kenny Rogers roasted chicken joint right next to TOPS on Maiden Ln.. (current home to Carmines) the Town Board was warned that people could get roasted chicken at Tops & Wegmans, both very near the site.Kenny Rogers didn't last a year! Neither did the previous attempt to sell coffee at the library. Just because someone WANTS it doesn't mean others will BUY it.

END OF ARGUMENT

Anonymous said...

DEAR END OF ARGUMENT: Why do you say "the first time I've ever seen a call go out for new folks to sit on it. In the name of closed, clubby & corrupt, maybe they top the charts"
So when the town opens it to the public you attack it if these positions were filled as in the past without reaching out you would complain.
Do you argue with yourself in the mirror in the morning?

Anonymous said...

I agree with SCATS. Some of you sound as if you think the library will become a destination for coffee drinkers. How silly is that.

SCATS said...

To 9PM ~~ I don't need to argue with myself when it's oh so easy to get under YOUR thin skin lol ;)

Anonymous said...

Besides the content, checkout the fact that Irondequoit holds an Agenda Review with no public input and schedules their budget hearing and vote after election day. And the local Dems say Greece is doing it wrong... right.

SCATS said...

To 9:01AM ~~ Greece doesn't allow public input at their Agenda Review meetings either, do they?

I won't say that all others are doing things perfectly, but I will say that in Greece there is NO TWO-WAY discussion on any issue, ever! I'm not sure that's true anywhere else in Monroe County.

Being elected in GREECE means no accountability for anything, ever!

Anonymous said...

How can you say it's not that way anywhere else in the county? I just said Irondequit does not even open it to the public as Greece does. Greece is more open than Irondequit I bet you can't even admit that. Try and say it. We can can help you with this. We can enroll you in a support group to help you over come this.
When are you going to accept the fact that we elect people to govern. If you want that much say run for office it must be easy to get elected since you show those that are no respect they must not be able to do something you can't do.

SCATS said...

To 9:59AM ~~ Actually, what you said was " Irondequoit holds an Agenda Review with no public input" ...

That's not the same as "Irondequit does not even open it to the public" ...

You need to pick which specific you mean and stick with it!

Greece opens the Agenda Review meeting with NO PUBLIC INPUT. This does not mean Greece goes further than the Open Meetings laws allows and in general, Greece is VERY closed, clubby & corrupted as we've all seen over the years.

Anonymous said...

Irondequit has closed meetings behind close doors. Public need not show up. They can't get in the room.

SCATS said...

To 11:04PM ~~ Greece was that way before too. As far as I'm aware, our BOE does not allow the public.

Anonymous said...

I thought you weren't allowed to bring food or beverages into the library. Anyway, I'm at that library at least twice a week checking out books and I often hit Tom Hortons on my way home for a latte. Personally, I really don't see the need for a coffee shop in the library. I'd rather the bookstore stays open. It's a great place to buy books for my kids without paying the high prices at places like Barnes and Noble, and the quality is better than I find at thrift stores (no ripped pages, scribbling, etc). Maybe coffe a kiosk type thing would be nice, outside of the building during the warmer months. That way parents who bring their kids to the playground can grab a coffe as well without having to go inside the building if they don't want to.

Anonymous said...

*Meant to type Tim Hortons, not Tom Hortons!

SCATS said...

To 11:44AM ~~ Why don't they put a couple vending machines and a couple small tables & chairs in the space of the old bookstore? Or was that space absorbed for something else?

Anonymous said...

The old bookstore space is still full of books and book shelves as if they just closed the door and left everything. They currently have vending machines in the library for drinks and snacks.
And once agian no one ever said they were closing the used book store. They are not.

SCATS said...

To 4:15PM ~~ Lots of my questions go unanswered, too.

So then, where will it be?? If a member of the Friends of the Library was told the bookstore is closing, then I tend to believe it.

Anonymous said...

4:52PM Regarding the used book store. If you believe it is closing then you believe wrong.

SCATS said...

To 6:31PM ~~ The author of the editorial published in the Greece Post this week says it's closing. THAT'S the topic we're discussing on this thread. Can you show us some evidence that it won't close? I won't hold my breath ...

Anonymous said...

I wish you would hold your breath! Time will prove me right and you wrong. But I bet you won't acknowledge it when it happens.

SCATS said...

To 10:11PM ~~ If you turn out to be correct, then I wish our Supervisor had enough of a backbone to come forward NOW to correct the record.

It seems that he somehow created this false impression with someone who took a stand against this ridiculous idea.. I call that having a spine.

Anonymous said...

Whoever came up with the idea of replacing the book store with the coffee shop should get an award for saving money for the taxpayer.

With the bathrooms on the other side of the wall plumbing costs should be minimal. That's a whole new line of thinking in Greece, cost minimization.

Maybe next month we can begin work on a snack court in Town Hall. Plenty of unused space right there near the bathrooms as well.

SCATS said...

To 2:09AM ~~ I see the convenience of being able to flush right next door. Can't wait for the Health Dept. reports.

Anonymous said...

There is no reason to be concerned about the Health Department, they're too tied up raiding festivals and events to sell Permits to vendors.

Some R politician has a daughter perfectly suited to be the Library Barista. Antelli's daughter comes to mind, and with the rest of the family on the Taxpayer's Payroll she can't be far behind.

Anonymous said...

Maybe the DPW can go over to Lowes parking lot and jack up the coffee kiosk that only sold about 50 cups, and haul it to the intersection in Tofany Blvd where you turn for either Town Hall or Library parking. Even people going to Court could grab a cup.

The Town ought to be able to get a hell of a deal on the shack & equipment and move it for cheap money too.

SCATS said...

To 12:39AM ~~ LMAO! That's a great idea!

Anonymous said...

To 12:39am...too late. Texas BBQ Joint from Spencerport just opened up a second location there for takeout orders only. Yum!

I see we now have a live feed tracker on this site. I see someone from the Russian Federation gets in about every hour or so. Doubt they're very much interested in what goes on a good old Greece New York. Someone trolling for emails or dropping viruses?

Anonymous said...

New ideas have always been ridiculed since man has been around. They made fun of the first automobile, who would of thought someone doing payroll would be worth over a billion dollars? Who would of thought we would pay 5-7 dollars for a cup of coffee or even that the Pepsi generation would be even drinking coffee? This coffee/snack shop may fail but I give them credit for trying something new. What did Hairburger give us? Every year a tax increase except his last and scandal. The new team has brought us the forth of July celebration, a new pavilion, pickle ball courts that residents requested. At least they are trying rather than being stagnate. Maybe it will fail, they are bound to not have everything a homerun but my hats off for trying.

SCATS said...

To 6:35AM ~~ Ah, so that's where Big Texas BBQ plans to be! It's so small. I hope they succeed to the point of having to build/buy an actual restaurant for their business. Their food is very tasty.

There's no need to worry about the tracker. It's harmless and has been there for quite awhile now.

To 10:30AM ~~ The ONLY reason I'm ridiculing this "new idea" is because it is NOT NEW!

The library had a coffee/snack bar in place after they opened their doors at Vince Tofany. It flopped!

BTW, I had heard the pickleball courts were in the mix quite sometime before Auggie's departure. The new pavilion is to placate the folks outraged over the loss of some of the seniors bus services and the illegally-funded GPAS "Supervisor's Summer Concerts" we had under Auggie. Besides, the huge tent needed replacing anyways. And of course, the loss of a July 4th celebration was another political mess involving clergy we as a town should never have involved or funded (again, questionable legally) after Auggie's infamous affair.

Anonymous said...

My question is who from the Russian Federation was checking out the schedule site once per hour every hour last night? It's what that person is doing that I'm concerned about

SCATS said...

To 4:02PM ~~ Would you believe me if I told you it was Edward Snowden? lol

Again, there's NOTHING to worry about. What someone else is doing on SCATS is as much your business as what YOU are doing is everyone else's.

Anonymous said...

The used bookstore isn't closing. It's being moved to a spot just feet away from where they are now. The Post letter and your "information" are terribly incorrect... yet again. Surprise.

Anonymous said...

Why the hell are the people of Greece supposed to give a rat's @$$ about what happens in Irondequoit? Seriously, who cares what that town board does? The only town board that affects me as a resident of Greece is the one in Greece. All your obfuscation doesn't change the fact that the board in Greece pretends to take public input, but that the decisions are made long in advance depending on the political affiliations of the players, whether it's good for Greece or not. And not is far more likely. This "the Democrats do it too" is a bunch of childish horsecrap. Even if they do, it does not excuse YOUR bad behavior.

Anonymous said...

The pickle ball courts were not an idea left over. First Augie never did anything new second I know because it was my cousin who is an avid player that went up and met with the supervisor and about two weeks later he felt it had a good chance since he heard the supervisor asking a number of people if this is something that would be in demand. Then a few days late the supervisor said he was using some of the grant money to put in the courts. Besides the grant money only was learned about in March.

SCATS said...

To 7:35PM ~~ I think I made it quite clear that this thread was based upon the published editorial. Obviously, someone at Vince Tofany put out confusing information. SURPRISE :) I'm not .

To 7:47PM ~~ I agree with you 100%!!

To 7:59PM ~~ Nothing you stated precludes the fact that pickleball courts were discussed and desired before Relic's time.

While Auggie is no friend of mine, to say he did "nothing new" in his lengthy tenure is 100% WRONG.

SCATS said...

IF the author of the editorial to the Greece Post was wrong, I can't wait to see which politician decides to take it upon himself to "set her straight." The tone of such letters is usually quite nasty based upon past observations. Perhaps we will post it and dissect it for the various put-downs used. I predict it will contain at least three.

Anonymous said...

While I'm in here, I wanted to note that the post from 10/01 6:59 p.m. is a perfect example of lying with true numbers. Sure the town does fund the library with $3.1 million tax dollars per year. Wow! Sounds like a big, fat deal, doesn't it? Holy Cow! Three WHOLE million DOLLARS!!11!!

Well, divide that out by the 93,000 people living in Greece and you get $33 whopping dollars per person. Whoo?

Let's see what's going on in other communities that have libraries. Gates has 28,000 people and spends $1.5 million on its library - $57 per capita.

So at the very least, let's not pretend like Greece spending money on its own library system is some magnanimous act.

Saying Greece funds its library MORE THAN ANY OTHER TOWN is simply being slippery with your truth.



SCATS said...

To 3:40PM ~~ TYVM for the figures! I know that what you are saying is 100% true. I just didn't have figures for other towns that were up-to-date, or I would have posted it myself.

Anonymous said...

Well I have been reading the back and forth and finally had to comment. I went to the library today and as I walked in the front door is a big sign. It clearly states the book store is not closing.

SCATS said...

To 6:28PM ~~ I'm sure the sign is in response to the editorial.

Anonymous said...

Using a per capita argument is completely silly and disingenuous. $3 million is $3 million. Period. No one spends more. Period. Also, I attended a library board meeting last night and the entire board that attended talking about the used bookstore simply moving to a room right next to the existing one.

SCATS said...

To 8:49AM ~~ I could not disagree more! It's how things are usually done and/or reported for comparison.

In the case of Greece, not only is our per capita spending on this a miniscule amount compared to many smaller towns, but our circulation is much higher!

$3 million is a pittance tossed out to the paupers of Greece. The sheeple will be so pleased. BAHHH!

SCATS said...

Don't look now, but ANOTHER LETTER TO THE EDITOR (Greece Post) was published this week. Again, they urge the powers that be to keep the bookstore open.

Obviously, SOMEONE put out the word that closing it was a possibility.

Anonymous said...

2:39PM I didn't know the Greece Post had two editions because mine contains no such article! How about everyone else?

Anonymous said...

Where in Greece Post... I don't find it?

SCATS said...

To 9:25PM ~~ Sarcasm much??

To 10:27PM ~~ It was quite short. I think near the bottom of a page. I already threw away my copy, sorry.

Anonymous said...

Wow Scats, two people out of 97,000 want a used book store in the library. By your math that would be a pittance. The used bookstore contributes $60,000 a year. Using your math once again.... a pittance. About .66 cents a person.

Anonymous said...

Not in my Greece post. Not even a short article. Not there.

SCATS said...

To 6:55AM ~~ Personally, I don't give a diddly squat whether they have a bookstore, or not. My issue is that replacing something that WORKS, that people use and that brings in $$$ (the bookstore) for an idea (a coffeeshop) that WAS ALREADY TRIED & FAILEDis beyond my ability to comprehend. So typical of the mentality of this town!

WHEN & WHERE was this discussed publicly??

To 9:03AM ~~ Complain to them for sabotaging YOUR paper.

Anonymous said...

Page A21. One sentence. Easy to miss.

SCATS said...

To 9:35PM ~~ Two sentences actually ;)

Anonymous said...

Lets see;
Friends of the Library, who operate the used book deal deliver over $30,000 a year to the Library and Reilich can't touch that money by law. That be bad for Stupidvisor Bill.


Coffee shop, well that allows Bill to hire somebody's kid as a barista, a Town funded job, and put the income from the coffee shop into the General Fund. Bill runs the General Fund. Bill has some pocket change to play with.

You really need a further explanation of why Bill wants a coffee shop after 3 previous coffee shop attempts went down the drain at the Library?

SCATS said...

To 4:05PM ~~ Although I disgree with your numbers, (3 tries?? ... only $30K?? Last I heard it was over $50K!!), your point is very well made. Like I said several times, a prior coffeeshop operation totally FLOPPED! With so many others within spitting distance of the library, WHY do we need this? WHO will make up the losses from a smaller or defunct bookstore?

Crickets chirping ...

Anonymous said...

Friends are passing out comment cards at the Library. Lady I spoke with said they have yet to get one in favor of the coffee shop.

I asked who will assume the added janitorial functions of picking up cups and spill management. She assured me it was not going to be her.

This idea stinks on ice.
We'll soon look back to the good old days of Stupidvisor Hairburger.

SCATS said...

To 2:41PM ~~ Why should they care unless the bookstore is closing?? Is it?

Anonymous said...

SCATS I agree with you 100%. The book store is not closing so why do they care? Why so territorial especially since the space they are in is given to them for free? Last I heard the talk was to double the size of the bookstore and add the coffee shop inside it. What's the problem? If nothing ever changed we would still be riding horses. And no I do not want Hairburger back! Please!

SCATS said...

To 7:26PM ~~ The fact they are asking people questions makes me think it's closing has been discussed! IF IT HAS BEEN, then Reilich needs to own it & tell the community. Enough of these backroom deals.

Anonymous said...

Well the coffee shop SNAFU is finally solved.......The town historians office is now in the space that was being prepared for the combined book store and coffee shop