Wednesday, October 15, 2014

Greece Central Slips In Rankings


Buffalo Business First has published the rankings for 67 Rochester area school districts for 2014.

Greece Central slipped down to #38.


SCATS ~~ Great news! Raises for everybody!!

24 comments:

Charlie Hubbard said...

All a person needs to do is read the 'contracts'- absolutely no reference to educational improvement.
Worthless, do/nothing, give/away, school board approved contracts are THE biggest problem with the public education monopoly. Anyone who thinks more 'spending' will improve this mess is a flat out FOOL.

Anonymous said...

You forgot to mention the fact that this survey covered 6 counties including Monroe. Most are very small attendance districts compared to Greece. This is a relative fact considering that Greece is now the largest urban suburban town district in that group.

SCATS said...

To 2:26PM ~~ No, I did not "forget" anything. In fact, YOU are wrong! It covers 8 counties (Livingston, Monroe, Ontario, Schuyler, Seneca, Steuben, Wayne and Yates) and I've never seen any mention of an "urban suburban" district in any ranking until your comment.

Look at the listings. The usual east side districts top the charts. Greece is well below the halfway point in Monroe County. What's our excuse?

Anonymous said...

I know this doesn't make me necessarily popular on this board and I'm not trying to rehash the issue whether Odyssey Academy's past national ranking was valid or not, but I have to think at least part of the reason for Greece's overall district fall is due to Odyssey Academy's total free fall over the last 2 years. It is so sad to see a situation where a school which was so focused on academics first and structuring their curriculum on the brightest students now focuses almost solely on behavior issues and worrying about No Child Left Behind. Shame on the district & school board for letting this happen. Will fix that next board election. Illian FIcus.

SCATS said...

To 6:01PM ~~ The TRUTH is just as many of us expected: Odyssey's "stellar" performance could NOT be replicated without resorting to hand-picking its attendees. Welcome to the real world & the pain of dealing with the same misery every other taxpaying parent in town had to accept.

Anonymous said...

Whatever the reason, hand picked students or not, was not my main point. The real issue was the change in focus from Academics to Behavior and from Curricula on Excelling to one designed to hit the minumum no child left behind standards.

BTW, I am not an ODY parent. Just disgusted that I would have wanted my Grandkids to go there next year. Now, since ODY is just Olympia East, I am telling my daughter to send her kids to Allendale or Harvey. So that effectively is another tax as we were there before with ODY whatever the reason. Now I have to pay private tuition for the grandkids to get same.

Illian Ficus

SCATS said...

To 9:46PM ~~ TY for revealing to all that the truth about the former Odyssey is that taxpayers were supporting a PRIVATE SCHOOL SETTING within Greece with limited accessibility! That's something we tried to get folks to admit to before, but they claimed Odyssey was no different. As I've always said, you can't have it be both ways (no different AND special).

I'd go with Allendale Columbia, if I were you.

Anonymous said...

This message board talks up charter schools yet slam Odyssey for being a private school. That's so hypocritical!! They are essentially the same thing where they can hand pick their students. Odyssey at least had to follow state mandates.

Furthermore, what is the big problem with taxpayers supporting a private school setting that is public within Greece?!?!?! Those that want to focus solely on academics can, those that want to focus on music or sports can elsewhere. What Greece has currently created is a subpar education that is the same for everybody. Those students that would have otherwise excelled at Odyssey are missing many opportunities because the focus is completely on behavior and No Child Left Behind now.

SCATS said...

To 10:51AM ~~ No, it's NOT hypocritical!

Yes, they were essentially the same thing!

The "big problem" was the HUGE LIE we were all supposed to believe about how Odyssey was no different than the other schools ... or worse yet that poor Odyssey didn't have everything (like football) that the other schools had.

Think about it. Had we been told the truth about Odyssey by GCSD Admin., do you think GCSD would have been in trouble with the state?? Why or why not??

Anonymous said...

What trouble with the state are you referring to?

SCATS said...

To 12:19PM ~~ Obviously, you are unaware of the differences between charter & other public schools.

Anonymous said...

Parts of Greece have been annexed by the 10th ward and beyond, I n the last you have acknowledged that fact in previous comments. Correspondingly the demographics and subcultures have impacted the school district. roughly 13% of our students are products of the those conditions that exist in the areas east of Mt Read Blvd.
These developments have had the most negative impact on the learning environment that exists in our schools today. 10:51 is out to lunch about district priorities when it pertains to discipline. Discipline or lack thereof is the number one situation impacting a quality education for the kids who want to learn.
My daughter comes home daily with horror stories about disruptive students interrupting her class room in ways that challenge my imagination as to what extremes these disrupters will go to accomplish their sole reason for being there. The fault lies with an administration that is totally incompetent to deal with those few who spoil it for the rest. In my opinion that is where the problem exists and impacts student achievement to a large extent.

Anonymous said...

Illian I am afraid you are jumping to conclusion that are just not true.
Summary test scores do not tell the whole picture. The O. A. students are still at O. Many are still in the I. B. program. There are learning as they have learned in the past. The strong academic program is still at O.
Everyone is not enrolled in this program. O.A. is still the only Greece school to offer this program.

O.A. enrollment has increased to have a "regular population of students" at O.A. These students and not in the IB program and are not going to perform as high as the other students.

The newspaper score is an average score. Bright IB students learn and score high. Regualar/low students learn and score average to low.

The O.A. lower scores does not mean that the bright IB students are not scoring just as high as the former IB students. The student population is now more normal and thus more normal scores.

Doug Skeet








SCATS said...

To 2:36PM ~~ You've ignored the FACT that large numbers are stealing services from Greece schools, adding to the misery.

I get your point about discipline, but I'm not sure it's more important than the mindset of some of our teachers.

Anonymous said...

Normal??

Splain, pleze

Anonymous said...

Doug, is ODY committed to retaining the IB program? Illian

SCATS said...

To 4:35AM ~~ I think he meant more "typical" ... more like the other schools.

To 7:26AM ~~ Now that they have a new principal, a new building and a new program, anything is possible. Let's face it, in the blink of an eye the BOE or Babs could pull the plug. There's NOTHING in GCSD that's untouchable should the powers-that-be decide to make the changes.

Anonymous said...

Doug, you say that many are still in the IB program and it's the same old OA students, you couldn't be more wrong. The IB numbers plummeted after the merger and the number of students seeking the IB diploma is at an all time low. This data is available to the public. Furthermore the board has stated that the issue of keeping the IB program at OA is on the table due to the cost of supporting the program. One vision, one team, one Greece

SCATS, what are you referring to with OA being in "trouble with the state?" Are you just making stuff up so you don't reveal yourself as being incorrect about an issue? You may have forgotten that Apollo didn't continue as Apollo because of NCLB which is the main reason why there had to be a restructuring of the schools.

If you admit that Odyssey is a "private" school setting and charter schools are essentially the same thing then really what's the problem with having the old "Odyssey" type school within the GCSD?!?! Your statement that "taxpayers were supporting a private school setting" also doesn't fit since taxpayers support charter schools as well (where do you think a non for profit charter school gets their money?!?!)

SCATS said...

To 11:01AM ~~ I wish people would STOP PUTTING WORDS INTO MY MOUTH!! I never said OA was in trouble with the state!

No, SCATS does NOT "make stuff up"!! Frankly, we're sick & tired of getting comments from you suggesting that. So sick we'll no longer be posting them in the future.

SCATS said...

Oh and BTW 11:01AM, YOU need to refresh yourself on the DIFFERENCES between charter schools, public schools & private schools. It's obvious you have no clue.

Anonymous said...

IB should be done away with. AP is more cost effective for the students and school and much more widely accepted. (We pay an IB Coordinator - totally crazy for the few kids in the program.) Don't believe me? Go to one of our local college websites and look at their IB vs AP credits offered to incoming freshmen. Many of our kids do not take the highest level IB courses or score well enough to get very many credits. Many more choices with AP and many more credits accepted. More proof - I have maintained contact with several of my kids friends who were odyssey grads, they were not happy to find out that their IB classes got them little to no credits at college (because there are 2 levels of IB) but kids that took similar courses in AP got credits - lots of them. We need to wake up on this one!

SCATS said...

To 9:36AM ~~ I agree 100%! Let's face it, the ONLY reason OA had IB was so they could be "different" ... i.e. "better" ... it just wasn't reality.

Anonymous said...

The IB vs AP distinction is function vs fashion: the goal (whether accomplished or not) of AP courses is to have kids working at a college freshman level while still attending High School. IB courses, by contrast, only seek to achieve "international" (i.e. European) high school standards.

Some AP courses fall woefully short, especially in the humanities (AP history and English courses have nothing like the writing requirements of freshman humanities courses), but the goal is set that high.

IB courses are fashionable, because sophisticated parents imagine their kids moving into a cosmopolitan world of opportunities on either side of the Atlantic, but it's not really a particularly good education or high standard to achieve - it is just an internationally recognized standard, not a high one.

If you want your kids to be high-achieving, then get them AP coursework in High School and have them re-take the same course as freshmen in college (repetition lays a more solid foundation).

Leave the IB stuff to kids who aspire to be euro-weenies. Those kids learn to think highly of themselves while dodging real challenges or tough assignments.

SCATS said...

To 10:56AM ~~ I totally disagree with your idea of having kids retake AP classes in college IF they passed with a 4 or 5 in HS. It's unnecessary & defeats the main purpose of taking AP in HS ~ to get college credit and save $$.