Sunday, August 24, 2014

Town of Greece: Atheists Not Welcome?


One More Sham ... ?
SHAME ON US!

The Washington Post: Following the Supreme Court decision regarding prayer before meetings, the Town of Greece adopted new rules for who can deliver the prayer or invocation at their meetings. The language in the rules specifically includes “religious clergy” and “religious assemblies,” but doesn't mention anything about inclusion of the nonreligious, such as atheists and humanists.


Brian Marianetti, attorney for the town of Greece, said he did not know if atheists would be permitted to give an invocation under the rules.

“I can’t say one way or another,” he said. Each speaker will be “decided on a case-by-case basis.”


SCATS ~~ What the heck are we paying this guy for if he can't respond to this question AFTER a Supreme Court decision was made? Did they allow Dan Courtney to address the Board hoping it would end the controversy so they could return to "business as usual"? Maybe Marianetti could ask Reilich!!


23 comments:

Anonymous said...


was this covered in the lccal paper at all, If so why not?

SCATS said...

To 4:43PM ~~ You mean the D&C? I suspect they might have covered the story about Courtney. Since then, I doubt they had any more about it.

Anonymous said...

Brian Marianetti, that rings a bell. Related to Ed? Another Relic political spoils job within the clubby Republican Party.

SCATS said...

To 7:01AM ~~ I believe he is. Saw him interviewed on TV & he looks VERY young, too ... as in inexperienced.

SCATS said...

BTW, based upon the news reports, the Town's new policy was "needed" because too many people from around the country wanted to give the invocation ... according to Marianetti. The Town wants to limit it to people who live here. So to do that, they worded it to exclude anyone who is nonreligious!! Marianetti, who finally found his voice, said they just wanted to get back to business (as usual!).

DDSS in the Town of Greece!

Anonymous said...

RE Marianetti: Just another example of the deep contempt the Reilich people have for the people of Greece. A political patronage job for the underqualified child of a longtime supporter. Pay up, people of Greece. Reilich's got friends and friends of friends to employ using your tax dollars.
The top dogs at Town Hall spit on us while they pick our pockets. And we lap it up.

SCATS said...

To 10:39AM ~~ It seems to me that an ENTIRELY NEW Supreme Court case is just waiting to be made! Putting such specific language onto paper is rather in-your-face to atheists, Pastafarians and idol worshipers everywhere.

Anonymous said...

Its a moment of prayer and the atheist wants to pray before the board? Makes no sense. Sounds like this guy from Hamlin just wants to cause trouble here and get some TV time. Just like the woman from Brighton who started all this. Everything I've seen shows its only a couple of local people whining and complaining. The vast majority come from out of the area to make trouble here. When I see hundreds of Greece residents showing up mad, i'll believe there's a problem. Until then, *yawn!*

SCATS said...

To 6:13PM ~~ Here's the deal: Auggie said he was "inclusive" but everyone knows he was NOT! Now Relic re-writes AFTER the court opinion & institutes clear verbiage for who is EXCLUDED.

As for your opinion, ***YAWN***Pfffttt!!

Anonymous said...

A little bit of ageism from SCATS I see. Just because Marianetti "looks VERY young" he's "inexperienced?" That is awfully shallow. I'm aware of plenty of well accomplished young people in our community.

SCATS said...

To 7:39PM ~~ Not ageism but REALISM. When asked about the policy change by national media, he didn't know a damned thing! When asked by the over-priced, 3-day-old fish wrapper, he had all sorts of things to say.

His position as Town Attorney is almost more laughable than Kirk Morris heading up DPW!!

SCATS said...

BTW, the word "ageism" usually relates to those who discriminate against the elderly ;)

Anonymous said...

I agree Scats! You hit the nail on the head. Just like the left over John Plummer who Relic kept around. Why? For his pleasant disposition!

Anonymous said...

So, SCATS, a basic point. An atheist "invocation" is a contradiction in terms. What on earth (or beyond) is an atheist supposed to invoke?

The proper recognition of the atheist perspective is to (sometimes) have a meeting without invoking any superior authority at all. That is the logical atheist alternative to an invocation.

Anonymous said...

It's not ageism. It's clear contempt by the Reilich crew for the people of Greece. Only those who kiss the king's ring get the plums. It's never about what's best for the community, just about what's best for the king's coffers and for his lickspittles.

SCATS said...

To 10:47PM ~~ I disagree that it's a contradiction. For what it's worth, the media dubbed it that when Courtney spoke a couple months ago.

Please look up the definition. It doesn't have to have any religious connotation. Maybe he could invoke some measure of common sense, sanity and open govt.

Anonymous said...

SCATS, I looked it up (and, let's face it, as adults we have lived it for years if we attend meetings and ceremonies). The Wikipedia piece is pretty decent, including mention of secular "invocation" and acknowledging that it is really an affirmation, not an invocation.

Atheists don't invoke, but they can do some other piece of performance art that replaces invocation, without being invocation. I'm sure some day dictionaries will "define" invocation to include activities that do not invoke, but that is because dictionaries today seek to document how people use words, rather than how they should use them. Standards and meanings have given way to relativism and usages.

Anonymous said...

Greece constantly is seeking attention. They are the stooge for this conservative group that funded the defense for the original suit.
It is absurd the excuse that they had to put in restrictions due to the large number of requests to offer the invocation. If they would just let it settle down there would not be the interest and that's what they don't want to happen. They like the controversy. It keeps them in the news and not for corruption and scandal. Also it is good for the conservative legal group since the liberals will bite and sue again and the conservative group will cover the defense again heralding the "In Jesus Name" motto. That was the group that recognized our former supervisor as wonderful for his prayers. They are puppets. The only thing that will save us from this clash is if the liberals don't bite and let us wallow in our dysfunction. Just stay out of it. I haven't read the blog much this summer but when I saw this in the news I knew there would be forum for my opinion. Thanks again scats. This is a public service to let us offer our opinions without having to fear retaliation.

SCATS said...

To 7:52AM ~~ Just so you know, Wikipedia is riddled with misinformation. I went to Webster's for the real definition: the act of mentioning or referring to someone or something in support of your ideas

: the act of invoking something

: the act of asking for help or support especially from a god


To 9:12AM ~~ In this particular case, I think it's necessary to call FOUL! It appears that the Town Atty has specific reasons for what we do, but only shares them with local media. I think he knows full well that if he said to the Washington Post what he said to the D&C, it would cause OUTRAGE in DC!

You are welcome for the forum ;)

Anonymous said...

In an effort to establish Pastafarianism (the world's fastest growing carbohydrate based religion) in the Town of Greece I invite all aspiring Pastafarians to my home on Friday (our sabbath) Sept 5 at 7:00 for an organizational meeting. Until we establish a thriving congregation, we will have to meet in homes for services. If the Flying Spaghetti Monster chooses to bless us, we will thrive and be able to purchase a place of public worship.

SCATS said...

To 2:05PM ~~ May the meatball be with you :)

Anonymous said...

I could go for some nice pasta with a homemade fresh tomato sauce laced with garlic and topped with a little parmesan
about now. Where is this meeting?

SCATS said...

To 3:49PM ~~ You just described dinner! (Last night's lol)