Friday, August 22, 2014

Indeed, We ARE Over-Assessed!



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SCATS ~~ Author says instead of raising assessments by tens of thousands on each home, Town of Greece should tighten its belt. Raising the tax rate a little would be a better alternative once they've done all they can to budget wisely. I couldn't agree more!
   
 

26 comments:

Anonymous said...

The republicans have no platform except we haven't raised your taxes. This deceptive claim ahs served them well for years with a gullible public they buys the tax and spend liberal line. Why would they change it and risk losing an election and expose that they have no political program for keeping costs down,







Anonymous said...

SCATS,

Has Mr. Schaeffer contacted his Greece Councilman?

Did the councilman know?

Did the councilman agree?

Did the councilman care?

SCATS said...

To 7:54AM ~~ The Republicans (aka Reilich!!) HAVE raised our taxes, especially our property taxes! And then there's Maggie and her fees ...

To 10:09AM ~~ Why the heck would anyone waste their time contacting a Greece Town board member about that??? It's 5 minutes of their life they will never get back. ALL of the Town Board bobble-heads do whatever the Supervisor tells them to do: "vote yes on everything."

Does anyone know who our NEW ASSESSOR is? We were told Leo was toast after the reassessments were done.

Anonymous said...

SCATS, ok, so, has author contacted Greece Supervisor?

1. Did he know?

2. Did he agree?

3. Did he care?

Where does author go... or do?

SCATS said...

To 12:25PM ~~ I don't know what the author did or how far he took things. I do know if you challenge your assessment, you go for an Informal Hearing. If you don't get what you want from there, you go to a Formal Hearing before a board the assessor sets up. If you are still dissatisfied, you can take it to court ... possibly small claims court depending on the gap amount.

As I recall, Auberger washed his hands of the total assessor scandal under Schwab by saying he had NO authority over assessments. So what good would going to the Supervisor do?? Why would Reilich care?? So far, he's had no problem axing funding & other types of support for a wide variety of community groups. I see no reason why he would care for an individual taxpayer.

Anonymous said...

If you choose to remain ignorant it will be expensive. Most information you need to challenge your assessment is available free of charge at http://www.tax.ny.gov/pit/property/

You can use it, or you can remain ignorant and pay heavily for doing so.

NOBODY is going to do it for you.

NY State has gone to great length to establish the Assessor as an independent office within the Town, and no elected official has much if any jurisdiction over the Assessor or how he does the job.

SCATS said...

To 1:38PM ~~ While I understand your point, it's not as if the assessor isn't serving (aka hired by) the Supervisor. As such, I'm sure the assessor is open to any input about how much $$ the town needs to get in extra taxes at reassessment time ;)

Also, it is very tough to fight these appeals without professional help. The town has to do nothing in the way of telling you why or why not they are raising/lowering your assessment. The entire onus is on the homeowner. Apparently, even those who go the extra mile and pay for an appraisal done by one of the people on the Formal Appeal board no longer has any assurance they will get a fair shake. We're at the point where you have to prepare to take them to court. SAD!! But that's Greece ... VERY SAD!

Anonymous said...

With a record number of appeals this year you would hope someone on the town board is asking some questions.

SCATS said...

To 3:06PM ~~ NO ONE ASKS QUESTIONS ... at least not ON the record.

george hubbard said...

The TAX LEVY determines the amount of funds made available to be spent by TOG (Twn of Gr), GCSD (Sch Dist) etc not ASSESSMENTS.

Increasing ASSESSMENT for one property... or all properties does not increase total funds for TOG or GCSD.

Anonymous said...

7:54am Wrong. The budget the town is operating under until December 31 is Augies budget. Reilich has never raised taxes. As an assemblyman he voted against every tax increase that occurred and none of them were property taxes at state government. Your property taxes are made up of School, Fire, town county. He never voted to raise them and never voted for a sales tax increase while at the state. Go on the web site you'll see.

SCATS said...

To 8:02PM ~~ Oh puh-leeze!! Ever since he was sworn in, Relic has been evicting community groups who use Town Hall, building a gazebo (where did the $$ come from for that? It wasn't Auggie's idea!!), and ensuring that those who fought the new assessments under the ONLY AUBERGER LEFTOVER (Leo Carroll) got no reductions! It's not as if he has no control over how the $$ is spent. He's been showing us.

Anonymous said...

SCATS,

Do higher assessments give cover for COMIDA and other tax exemptions?

Anonymous said...

The gazebo is actually a pavillion that was a grant form Senator Robach. Had to be spent on a capitol improvement. This eliminates the $500 everytime the tent goes up or down.

Anonymous said...

Nothing about Mariah Eccleston? The girl from Greece who killed the dad in Gates? You thrive on those sort of headlines!!!

SCATS said...

To 9:19PM ~~ The pie is only so large. If businesses get breaks on taxes, where do the politicians go to make the pie whole again?

To 9:45PM ~~ You mean the $400 for putting up/taking down the tent. Just an FYI, Auggie didn't charge community groups to use that, but Reilich does.

Do you think the Chamber of Commerce will get to use the Community Center for free tomorrow? I suspect so ;)

To 10:57PM ~~ So you are saying you are disappointed, huh?

I'm trying to figure out how it is that:
1 - the feds (spurred on by the local FDs of course) want Dawn Nguyen to spend 30 yrs. in prison for buying a weapon Spengler used yrs. later to kill people with (I don't think she had psychic abilities to let her know he would do what he did) when
2 - this Eccleston kid could 'allegedly' (her social media posts all mysteriously vanished soon after the accident) get drunk as a skunk, hit this guy, leave him for dead and wait days before turning herself in for days and yet gets out on $2500!!

She's the Town of Gates' problem to deal with.

Anonymous said...

""Also, it is very tough to fight these appeals without professional help. The town has to do nothing in the way of telling you why or why not they are raising/lowering your assessment. The entire onus is on the homeowner. Apparently, even those who go the extra mile and pay for an appraisal done by one of the people on the Formal Appeal board no longer has any assurance they will get a fair shake. We're at the point where you have to prepare to take them to court. SAD!! But that's Greece ... VERY SAD!""

WRONG SCATS, so very wrong.
Read the material provided by the State and LEARN!
Opinions of ORPS Council clearly state there is NO REQUIREMENT for the taxpayer to hire an appraiser at the town level or Small Claims level.

The Board is a bunch of connected men with realtor licenses. They ain't experts on the LAW, and they back off fast when confronted by LAW.

The State ORPS mandates what the Town must disclose, and when requested Greece has always delivered as required. I guarantee you Greece is more cooperative than Brighton, Parma and Irondequoit in that regard.

You either make your case or you pay. I've listened to too many people cry in the hearing room rather than prepare and make a case.

SCATS said...

To 12:59AM ~~ No, I am NOT wrong. FYI, I've read through a lot on the ORPS site. Part of the bigger problem in Greece is that the database is so filled with erroneous property info it's nearly useless. The Town has NO INTEREST in correcting those errors either. If it isn't about YOUR property, they won't listen to it.

Also, the average layperson will never be able to stand up against the types they must deal with in this situation. I even had a seasoned real estate person who takes on cases for others tell me they are VERY nasty to deal with! For her, they are her peers, her colleagues and the treatment is poor. IF you want to win and don't get what you think is fair or accurate, hire a pro. The $200-300 price will be well worth it if you get a significant reduction ... you will recoup it in a few years.

Anonymous said...

SCATS,

Sounds like the process is ADVERSARIAL... one has to ask to get what they are entitled too.

Anonymous said...

It's not $400 to put the tent up and down its $500. Second it is illegal for the town to grant money to a non for profit. State can Feds can town government can not. So to comply with the law that stopped along with the $10,000 per year the town gave the chamber. That no longer occurs.
In one breath people want the illegal activitys to stop and when the law is followed people complain about that.
The chamber is paying for using town hall at the taste of the town.

Anonymous said...

8:02 - Do you get paid OT for these posts, or is monitoring this blog one of the duties you have under your grossly overinflated salary? Always nice to see a representative from Town Hall weighing in.
If only you all cared half as much about the people of the town as you do about boosting Reilich as a false god.
Maybe your overcompensated time would be better spent unpacking the problems with assessments.

Anonymous said...

I’m amazed at how some people complain about their taxes yet at the same time complain about town laying off people through attrition and retirement!
You can’t avoid it when the employees are 75% of the budget. Don’t worry about the gas in the plow trucks (it’s diesel anyways) when the driver is getting between $25.00 and $65.00 per hour to operate it. This is all locked in by previous union contracts.
Then add to it Auggie left a goose egg for relic when he left a 5 million dollar hole in the budget Reilic has to solve.
I recently looked at my tax bill. I wish everyone here would look at it line by line. After star mine was $10,000. $5100.00 was School tax, $2150 was County, 1500 was Town and 1250 was Fire tax. Now based on that realization who was I going to be most upset with? First the school district where everyone graduates without the basic knowledge to get a decent job or be at entry level for MCC. Second and this might surprise you, The Ridge road fire department where they employ 61 fire fighters but the tax is almost as high as the towns. Where they raised the rate last year 7%! Oh and the year before as well.
The town where my kids use the library and my entire family use the parks as well. In the winter my roads and sidewalks are clean and in the summer they are paved. They cleaned out the sewer line four years ago on my neighbor’s house. My Mom uses the community center and next Sunday I’m going to the free concert. We also pay for a police department of 99. I can at least see value in it. Don’t blame the messenger these are the facts as I see it.

SCATS said...

To 8:52AM ~~ Do you REALLY think folks didn't "ask" for a reduction? I know for a FACT one of the specific questions asked during the informal hearings was: "Where do you think your assessment SHOULD BE?" I can't speak for others, but I've always had that figured out in advance with several recent comparable properties sold in my neighborhood code to back it up. Again, when the Town decides not to budge, they don't have to offer any reason! And they don't ...

SCATS said...

To 11:54AM ~~ During a very recent chat with the head of a community organization that used the tent this summer, I was told they were charged $400 for that "privilege" and that their previous "grant" was also cut entirely. Don't get me wrong, I DO WANT THE ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES, THE FAVORITISM, ETC. TO STOP!!!

Having said that, I've always wondered why that tent goes up then down, up then down, up then down three times in one week on the same spot?? THAT makes no sense at all.

Building a "pavilion" is nice, but let's face it, the wind out behind that campus is so strong, senior citizens will land in Sodus after one big gust! Besides, I've heard no outpouring of sentiment about needing a pavilion, so in my mind, it seems as if Reilich just wants something of his own to plaster his name/image on at Auggie's campus.

To 12:04PM ~~ TY ;)

SCATS said...

To 12:34PM ~~ I'm not sure how CLEARLY you are seeing the facts! While I agree 100% about GRFD's taxes being LUDICROUS, we've already discussed on here how difficult an undertaking it will be to get the situation with having four fire districts in one town consolidated (which NEEDS TO BE DONE!). Their ability to ignore the 2% cap that the Town & GCSD must adhere to is a sore subject with lots of folks. On top of that, they dare to fundraise for their "volunteers" ... of which they have NONE.

However, the statement that you see the "value" in what the Town provides (and you specify the library (they get a pittance!), the parks (another pittance), DPW services and the cops) shows me you are unaware of the realities of the actual breakdown of the figures in the budget.

On July 25th, I posted a BLOG about how Greece cops are the HIGHEST PAID IN A NINE COUNTY AREA! Their ave. pay nears $98,000/year! Greece Town employees' pay is also at the top in the area at about $46,000/year.

Does $98,000/yr./cop seem a lil bit excessive to you?? It sure does to me! And apparently it also would in most other communities in Western NY since we are at the top!

As for GCSD, I posted a BLOG on July 12th about how our teachers are getting top pay in the area, too.

Bottom line: We're paying taxes as if we were living in Pittsford ... but when I look around, I'm seeing signs of the City!

Anonymous said...

12:34 - Are we supposed to cry because you can't afford your $230,000 house on your fat Town Hall salary?
Maybe we'd feel worse if we taxpayers were't footing all your bills.