Friday, July 18, 2014

What We Don't Know CAN Hurt Us


Anonymous said...


Even a broken old fashioned clock is right twice a day. Our board is broken. They have closed sessions for "real estate" when that should be open. They keep information off the agendas so we don't know the whole story. They are confused about Roberts rules in general. They don't know that a request for separation when there are sequences of resolutions does not require an "amendment" of all things. At least they may know that request doesn't require a second or that was just a fluke. They bully new members as they try to orient themselves.
The choice of this man as coach was vetted at the building and the administration level. We have shared decision making. Basically the superintendent used the counsel of the school community as she presented her list of choices. They chose to unwittingly (or not) thumb their noses at the superintendent. Apparently the main crusader to oust this man knew she had the proper number of votes going into the meeting and they only flubbed it up because she didn't get her choice of board officers and the man who did become prez wasn't aware of her plot. Hence the aura of confusion over abstentions and amendments. In the end she got her way. This was not just. But we in Greece get our just desserts for being unaware of what is going on at our very closed school board meetings.    7/18/2014 1:09 PM
SCATS said...
To 1:09PM ~~ Yup! On top of that, they either don't know or don't care to follow their own policies, State laws, District Regulations, etc.

I sum it up by calling it ARROGANCE OF THE HIGHEST ORDER.

Frank Oberg should be ASHAMED! He DOES know better, but has sold out to the closed, clubby and corrupt group's methods for doing business.

As a result, the next HUGE SCANDAL is just waiting around the corner!    7/18/2014 1:15 PM

19 comments:

Anonymous said...

It doesn't matter if it is right or wrong. Our GCSD acts and reacts as if they are the center of the universe and can reward and punish people depending on who they want. Until we elect people who really want to focus on education as reason to have a school system, we will have this petty activity going on.

Anonymous said...

The way they went about this entire thing was just simply embarrassing. If looked more like a 3 ring circus, maybe that is what particular board members wanted so it wasn't as obvious to everyone what they were really doing. Sharpening their axes. I am sure they are feeling particularly proud of themselves since it is highly unlikely that the administration will have the guts to undo this wrong and make things right with this coach. I am sure they figure this will all blow over in a week or so. From what I am hearing they better buckle up because this is far from going away quietly in to the night. Abusing power for self serving reasons and hiding behind ridiculous pr statements of made up integrity is not flying with a large population. At the very least you deserve to tell the community why exactly this decision was made. Stand up and say why you went against recommendations and voted this man out of his position. I am sure you will have a large audience that will beg to differ with you at the next meeting. Wishing it away doesn't make it happen, tour rug is too full to sweep anything else under anyhow. Seems wherever people go it is a hot topic of conversation, I heard someone comparing it to the bus monitor incident as far shedding a horrible light on Greece yet again, however the adults are the ones doing the bullying .

SCATS said...

To 5:40PM ~~ I just hope that WHEN the sports boosters show up they call for a couple of BOE members to R-E-S-I-G-N!! Anything less is a disgrace to the district.

Anonymous said...

I look for things to begin to change with regard to the conduct of board meetings under McCabe. Shaun has been involved in leadership roles with organizations that use Roberts Rules as their format. He has a working knowledge of these procedures and will run meetings accordingly. His problem is going to be able to make other members aware of the rules contained in this policy.
All board members should go to Barnes and Nobles and pick up a copy of Roberts Rules and familiarize themselves with the content. If they do, they will find that their are about 10 rules of proceedure outlined there that will adequately cover proper procedures for their business meetings . The desired outcome would be a more effective, informed, individual and aggregate conduct if board meetings which would go along ways toward improving their public image.

SCATS said...

To 7:30AM ~~ I agree 100% that they should each read Robert's Rules of Order. They don't need to even buy the book. They can find it online.

Regarding Sean's ability to "lead" ... are you kidding me?? At the meeting where he became Prez. he FAILED to show us he can do what you contend!! In fact, he seemed to be among the MOST confused.

Charlie Hubbard said...

If the board discussed the Kirk Rd. lease in executive session they should be chastised - TRULY chastised. The guidelines for ex. session are very easy to understand. This represents government at it's worst.

Anonymous said...

Sports Boosters ? Are you talking about some of the parents who host parties where underage drinking takes place? Where minors/athletes get so drunk they pass out at the home, have to be carried out by a parent, or are throwing up in the host's yard? They are part of this large political problem in sports as well. Seems hopeless.....

SCATS said...

To Charlie ~~ At the end of their last meeting, McCabe announced they were returning to Executive Session to discuss "real estate." As far as I'm aware, that's NOT Exec. Session material. They seem to believe that EVERY business deal, every contract is some sort of secret. It's not.

SCATS said...

To 12:33PM ~~ That's just plain nasty, UGH!

Anonymous said...

Charlie,
The Acquisition, sale, or lease of real property or the proposed acquisition or sale or exchange of securities held by such public body is an allowed executive session topic, so maybe it is not so easy for you to understand. It says so very clearly in the law.

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SCATS said...

To 9:59PM ~~ Just because something CAN BE Exec. Session material does NOT mean it has to be! In fact, keeping the location of the Charter School adress change SECRET is NOT exec. session material, especially since a PUBLIC HEARING WAS REQUIRED BY NYSED and the known location was determined BEFORE THAT HEARING! However, Greece residents were kept in the dark. WHY???

To 10:21PM ~~ TY. BTW, it's "writing" not "writting."

Anonymous said...

9:59 You didn't quote the whole sentence of that section of the open meetings law
"the proposed acquisition, sale or lease of real property or the proposed acquisition of securities, or sale or exchange of securities held by such public body, but ONLY when publicity would substantially affect the value thereof."
Publicity would not have affected the value of the Kirk Rd property. In fact the property is valued at about 3 million, they were asking 1.5 million and we have no idea what the lease agreement value is. They are definitely leasing to the renaissance charter school now and we have the right to know and to hear the vote in public as to the acceptance of the lease contract and the future supposed sale in April.
At the public hearing there was no mention of the charter school being housed at Kirk Rd and the Greece school board and the charter school both knew that was the location. There was just nebulous prattle about the qualities and philosophies of the charter school. They didn't want anyone to know the location of the charter until it was a done deal. Why is that? And despite what was in the D and C article Sunday this is a school for the children of the City of Rochester. There was no notice to the parents of Greece that they could have their children apply for this school year. Therefore there are no Greece kids in this first group of 3 grade levels. Another deception to Greece. Now they are supposedly inviting Greece people to apply for the next year. But they only would be taking kindergarten applicants. So if you have a 4 year old you might be considered for the 2015-2016 school year. Fat chance if you aren't a city resident or the sibling of an existing student. Too bad your child won't be able to benefit from "the rolling hills" of the Kirk Rd campus. I suggest Mr Silver take a site visit to his brain child to see there are no hills or ponds on the campus.

Charlie Hubbard said...

to 9:59 (anonymous)
Let me put as nice as I can - your posting is pure bull****.
This type of item involves property owned by the taxpayers. You can take this item to the 'back room' for only 2 reasons - #1 - to avoid having an item that may put the board in the 'limelight' aka to avoid any attention.
#2 - The board members have a deep rooted belief that community members lack the 'ability' to understand and to appreciate the 'complexity' of these type of decisions - again pure bull****.

If history tells us anything, doing this type of business 'in the back room' shows the owners of this district (taxpayers) to watch out.

PS; if any of your comments came from any of our attorneys - get rid of them NOW.

Anonymous said...

Here is a reference to an advisory opinion about such behind the scenes deliberations in another NY school district. It states that if there was an executive session, any vote during that session would have to be in the public minutes. So far there have been no minutes that describe any lease or purchase agreement with the Renaissance charter school re Kirk Rd school property. And we know secret discussion has been ongoing since May 2014. And the discussion of that lease/purchase since it was a done deal should have been discussed in public session.
Time for a request for an advisory opinion from Robert Freeman of the Committee on Open Government. It's been a while. Apparently the school board of Greece will persist in not following the dictates of the open meetings law unless they are forced to.
http://docs.dos.ny.gov/coog/otext/o2209.htm

It's too bad that they behave in such a deceptive and sneaky manner. Maybe we should wait until the neighbors of the campus (Kirk rd, Taybrook, seniors of Kirkdale and Lantana condo ranches, Marlbank, Wyebridge, Luddington and Crosby) realize that a school is in operation there and they should have been at least notified out of courtesy. And then let's see what happens when the Greece parents of current kindergarteners and 1st and 2nd graders realize they should have been alerted that they could apply for this charter school. Too late. You can blame Greece school board as well as the Renaissance board for that. We aren't wanted. Only our location is desirable without our children.

Anonymous said...

It's not a change in the address of the Charter School. The Hoover Drive school is staying there. This is an additional Charter School and it is different from the Hoover Drive school in that it will be taking students not just from the city but from the suburban schools as well.

Anonymous said...

Here is the complete manifesto of the Renaissance Charter School. Look at page 9 after your computer loads it up as they talk about enrollment recruitment and retention and they describe the "target population" focusing on "inner city youth". How many kids in Greece are considered living in the "inner city"? Not counting those stealing services at Olympia that would be none.
Look at page 10 where they talk about "recruitment announcements". It is completely false to say that they will be welcoming anyone from Greece at that school.
So they kept the final location from us. They are keeping the lease and purchase agreement from us. And they are keeping the school away from the children of our own community. If this was indeed open to the "greater Rochester area" and Greece we should have been informed about it well in advance of the cut off date of April 2014 for application for admission. This is almost as corrupt as the lottery schools right here in Greece that have become legacy schools because of the sibling rule. And when are we going to assure that Pinebrook School of choice resembles the background of our entire community? Promises not kept? What is that a sign of? The dysfunction junction.
http://www.p12.nysed.gov/psc/2013Round2FullApp/RenaissanceAcadArtsFARedacted.pdf

SCATS said...

To 7:09AM ~~ TY for attempting to educate 9:59PM. I'm not hopeful when people KNOWINGLY quote only the portion that makes their point, as happened in this case. I call that sneaky, just like the Exec. Sessions the BOE engages in.

To Charlie ~~ TYVM for telling it like it is!! Does arrogance in Greece Central know no bounds? Apparently not!

To 12:01PM ~~ TY for the links, quotes, etc. It appears safe to say that GCSD has attempted to HOODWINK GREECE RESIDENTS yet again! Despite my best attempt to get this info out there, it still took the D&C a FULL 10 DAYS to write that half-arsed item in Sunday's paper! Has the reporter EVER actually visited the site?? If she had, she might have thought to asl about the rolling hills and ponds mentioned by 7:09AM.

SCATS said...

Make that ASK not asl ;)