Tuesday, July 29, 2014

BOE Votes NO To Reappoint Coach



By a 5 to 4 decision, they vote to NOT rehire the coach.

NO Votes         YES Votes

VanOrman           Oberg
Crandall               McCabe
Cristoffel              Melore
O'Toole               Maloney
Grinnan

WHEC-TV: "Hueber says one board member's son was on his team and she consistently complained about his playing time. Hueber says another board member was cut from the team as a student."

SCATS ~~ Go figure!
  

40 comments:

Anonymous said...

Now the folks who didn't have a say and wan the coach rehired will have to work hard to protest and fill the available speakers slots of the BOE meetings. The BOE does work for us, but we need to make them understand that.

Anonymous said...

Is this not an example of why certain tenure protections are important for teachers? I am not saying that it should take over $300,000 to remove a teacher but at least due process and evidence.

SCATS said...

To 7:12PM ~~ The bigger lesson in this is that the COMMUNITY MUST WAKE UP & SMELL THE COFFEE!

To 7:26PM ~~ For me, comparing an annually appointed part-time soccer coach to a full-time teacher is an apple to pineapple comparison.

Anonymous said...

SCATS Really? Because this is exactly what would happen to teachers without tenure unless other rules or stipulations are created. Many of the board members children are or have been are in GCSD classrooms.

SCATS said...

To 7:44PM ~~ Yes, really. I'm not going to change the topic when the coaching issue is so fresh. Maybe we can debate that in a few days.

Anonymous said...

Such an embarrassment for GCSD to rid of a coach of the highest character and integrity. I am ashamed to live and work in this town.

Anonymous said...

This is a vote of no confidence by the board to the Superintendent and her staff, the second time this month. This is just what happened to Armovitch, once the hockey coach mess happened he was done in the district, this is exactly what is happening to Barb. Rumor has it Grinnan is after Barb and now this may cement it.

Anonymous said...

Well Julia was able to use her witchcraft and cast a spell on new Board Member Lisa Christoff. I was so hoping that she would be a free thinker but this makes me think she'll just go along with the evil witch Julia and the the always talking Gale O'Foole. God help us!

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Anonymous said...

What we witnessed tonight was the first split on the board since the Walts Keller Cogan Achromovich era. Could this be the new board majority led by Julia? If so, good luck Sean and BDW.
Maybe Julie has decided its time for BABS to go too This issue and the Kirk Rd sale has caused hard feelings on the board. It showed it's ugly head tonight. Unfortunately a good guy and a bunch of kids were the pawns in this power struggle
My question for Julia, for years we have been subjected to your long winded comments where your main theme was "ITS ABOUT THE WELEFARE OF OUR KIDS"! What happened to that that mission statement in this case? WHAT A COLOSSAL JOKE AND PHONEY,!!!'

Anonymous said...

BOE needs to get rid of VanOrman and her puppets...

Anonymous said...

Funny, this comment comes from two people.

SCATS said...

To 8:39PM ~~ Make it three. I've been saying it for years.

Anonymous said...

One Team, One Vision, One Greece. Hypocrisy at its best. Thank you BOE for putting the kids first - that is what you were doing right?

Anonymous said...

They fired wrong soccer coach at Athena

Anonymous said...

Both Van Orman and OToole should give back their Boardsmanship awards. They have clearly crossed that imaginary line between Duties of a board member and responsibilities of the Superintendent and reached across that line on a personnel hiring issue. A clear violation of her contract and micro managing on the part of five members of the board. The board hires or fires no one. They have but one employee, the Superintendent .
We are stuck with Julia for one more year. It is imperative that this community makes it her last .

Anonymous said...

I think the reality of what actually took place last night is being over looked. In my opinion, last nights vote had nothing to do with a soccer coach and his job It was a power struggle between the Superintendent and Julia plain and simple. In so doing, Julia even no longer president , controls the board majority thereby serving notice on BDW that things won't be business as usual anymore as at anytime, she can engineer a coup against her and maybe it was time to move on.
This is something that will be tested in the future by the super to see if there is a hidden agenda that was reflected in last nights vote against her, not necessarily the coach who became irrelevant to the outcome.

Anonymous said...

I was wondering, who paid for the police detail in the parking lot last night to keep an eye on Julia's car.? She of course was smart enough to not drive her good car to the meeting.

SCATS said...

I find Adam Crandall's vote to be particularly troublesome to understand since he explained it like this: "I vote based on how I was elected from the community and input from the community."

WHAT COMMUNITY "INPUT" did he have since it appears the team & their parents backed Hueber? Did some sort of "message" fall from the sky telling him the community wants Hueber gone? It seems to me that Hueber is entitled to whatever info Crandall had & used to decide.

Anonymous said...

This is back to the Hockey Coach days, that was Armovitch's down fall and unfortunetly this could be BDW's. Julia was able to work her evil witchcraft last night, she got Lisa Christoff to vote against the coach. I was so hoping she would be a free thinker but it looks like she has fallen under the spell of Julia & Gale. Unfortunetly we are back to a 5-4 spilt board and the majority is not out for the good of the district but out to control the district and the Superintendent. We will lose good people because of their nonsense. Watch Nelms and Graupman leave as fast they can instead of having to deal with this disfunctional Board. And who knows how long it will be before they run BDW out of the district. Sad times for GCSD again.

Anonymous said...

Another vote of no confidence for the Superintendent last night. This board is really doing a job on their only employee. Apparently the superintendent and her staff don't have all the information on this coach because Ms. VanOrman told the crowd last evening that they didn't have all the information on him that the board had. Well the superintendent and the staff recommended him so they must be missing some important information that Julia can see in her cludrin. The crazies are running the asylum.

Anonymous said...

Last night, the Julia led new majority fireda shot across the bow of their superintendent . I hope that she recognizes this and fires back. What I would urge her to do in response is now that the job is posted , if he applies, hire him back. Then wave her contract at these morons which allows her to do just that. If I were her, I wouldn't worry about her relations with the board, it appears to be in the tank now any way. I would gain a large measure of respect for BABS if she took this action.

Anonymous said...

Let's take a second look at how this vote played out, While it's true that Julia created this problem but four other board members joined her.
1 O'Toole It's no secret that she is Julia's pull toy and would follow her off a cliff,
2 Crandall In spite of his public comments, he had a personal agenda and a belated opportunity to settle a 10 year old score. Both easy votes for Julia to recruit,
3 Christoff PTA connection and loyalty was also an easy sell
4 Grinnan. THE REAL CULPRIT in this debacle. His vote was the swing vote and could have ultimately decided the outcome in favor of the coach but instead because of a rift between him and Barbara Dean, his vote was not a vote against the coach but vote against the superintendent, my point is this. While. Pointing the finger of guilt at Julia, in the final analysis , Grinnan was the difference maker . So don't be so quick to let him off the hook as it was his vote that carried the night for Julia and Crandall and sunk the coach and the kids,

SCATS said...

To 5:28PM ~~ I totally agree that he held the swing vote. Having said that, once again JULIA WAS RING-LEADER (i.e. instigator) ... a role she has often held going back to Meg Keller-Cogan days.

Please tell us, WHAT is the basis for his rift with Babs??

Anonymous said...

How do we get rid of these boobs ? They seem to able to get elected when they run. We need to recruit good people to run next year.Where is that care group when you need them? They used to get active people elected What happened to them and are they still around and if so why haven't we heard from them

SCATS said...

To 7:34AM ~~ You find good decent candidates and HELP THEM WIN!! One ran this past time, but didn't get the support needed to obtain a seat.

Greece as a community needs to GET EDUCATED AND STOP PLAYING INTO THE DIVISIVE POLITICS SPEWED BY THOSE WHO SUPPORT THE STATUS QUO ...which only creates further harm to all but the politicians.

Anonymous said...

Scats I don't disagree with your comments but in the case of the candidate you mention that lost I have a problem . He lost because nobody ever heard of him. Just putting your name out there does not lend it self to getting elected when you are running against incumbent board members.
Unfortunately, the number of people who vote is pitiful. They are mostly elderly who come out to vote on the budget. Voting for board members is an after thought and they tend to vote fo r names they recognize .
He failed because he didn't go to board meetings and speak at the public forum. He didn't go to the Greece Community Center and introduce himself to those potential voters with his message and give them a reason to remember his name on Election Day.
Name recognition is very important in these elections.
Anyone who wants to get elected needs to do more than just put their name out ther and expect to win.

SCATS said...

To 10:01AM ~~ I agree he didn't campaign to become known. I 100% disagree with the rest of what you state about WHO actually votes in GCSD elections these days. The numbers are so low it's primarily the in-school vote that bothers. That means it's the employees and whatever parents are in the buildings. They lost the seniors by switching voting locations so many times and then ending the postcard notifications about polling places.

To be honest, I know a lot of folks who no longer bother to vote at all. Even if your candidate wins, NOTHING changes! It's very frustrating.

Anonymous said...

I hope your wrong because if you are right, all is lost.perhaps it's time for community groups to organize and get out the vote. Perhaps this coaching incident will light a fire, Judging by what I see on Face Book, there is a ton of outrage out there in the community.
Unless a group similar to CARE emerges, the status quo will remain . Then they can unite behind 3 candidates and work to get them elected thereby changing board dynamics, if turn out remains low , it would not be difficult to make this happen, Might I suggest a thread or a poll seeing if there is any interest in forming such a group and become a part of it. It would be a start. If enough respond, a method of contact could be put in place. I would be willing to help.

SCATS said...

To 2:25PM ~~ I think I am right, but all is not lost! Finding COMMON GROUND to get people to rally around will be key to getting a group started & people motivated to run for BOE. It's a BIG JOB!! It consumes LOTS OF TIME and it pays as much as I get for authoring this BLOG! And I think it needs more "universal" appeal than any sports concern might have. Everyone can relate to taxes and corruption - thus CARE's success, IMHO.

As for a poll, the options I have are limited and not very scientific. I can post your comment from here, or another authored specifically to bring up your questions as a separate BLOG. You could provide an email upfront if you like.

Anonymous said...

If there is enough interest, I would be more inclined to use a PO box initially. This will help filter out those who are not serious.

SCATS said...

To 4:07PM ~~ A cautious but understandable approach. I'm not posting your second comment since it was labeled FYIO.

Anonymous said...

Audio Link from John Ditullio's Interview with Coach Bill Huber_7/30/2014: http://www.whtk.com/onair/john-ditullio-3438/ousted-greece-athena-coach-bill-hueber-talks-with-tools-12620677

SCATS said...

To 6:22PM ~~ TYVM!!

Anonymous said...

We could go on for ever with these comments about what's wrong and what smells concerning out school district and BOE. As I see it the time for talk and criticism has passed . What's needed now is action. Action in the form of initiatives to bring about much needed changes to both.
It starts with the BOE. We need to change the make up of those that now hold those positions.We need to find and support individuals who are qualified and committed to this agenda.
In May of next year, that opportunity will present itself. Three of those members responsible for this negativity and continued dysfunction in our district , terms expire
They are Van Orman, Crandall, and Grinnan. These 3 must go. If they seek another term, we should have 3 candidates willing to replace them on the board at the ready. We then must do everything possible to get these folks elected, what ever it takes.
In the near future, I will be posting a thread on this blog,proposing a way to get this done. It will take an effort by more than 3 people to accomplish these goals
It will take the efforts of concerned residents
representative of all groups that make up and live in Greece. A Group committed to changing the negative perceptions held by many concerning our great town.

SCATS said...

To 8:59AM ~~ I suggest you start by approaching Kristo Miettinen who sought a BOE seat this May. Perhaps he might run again, if supported.

Anonymous said...

Definition of bullying is the repeated aggressive behavior where one person is using his power or leverage to deliberately intimidate, coerce, slander or intentionally hurt a person or group of people.

Its ironic that Greece central school district and its board last year went through the largest campaign against bullying in the history of any school district which reached national attention.

They trained endless amounts of individuals throughout the district to stop bullying and identify bullies.

The connections of Huber and Joe Giuliano in the media have been leveraged to embarrass Greece Central school district. I heard Bill's exchange and comment to Sean McCabe that the school district is basically a joke on channel 13.

Bill through connections with Joe Giuliano has conducted the biggest media bullying and smearing campaign in the history of Greece politics.

Their passive aggressive repeated behaviors to embarrass the Greece Central school district regarding the Boards decision not to renew Bills contract is very ironic.

Irony
The Greece school district that is against bullying is allowing a couple of coaches to bully them on every media station in Rochester and is powerless against it and doing nothing about it.

The question the media should be really asking is:

If these coaches are willing to go to these lengths to embarrass Greece and the Greece central school district, what tactics do they use in their coaching philosophies on their players.


SCATS said...

To 8:47PM ~~ I'm sorry, but I couldn't disagree more! The real "bully" is the former BOE Prez. and the puppets she's enlisted to follow her off a cliff. I do believe we are gonna get sued up one side ... and down the other ... thanks to her mouth to the media about having more info. than the community or Hueber had.

I also have been told other info that truly makes this a mess totally of Julia's creation.

As Doug Skeet pointed out on a different thread, Babs could still rehire Hueber, since she has the contractual power to do so. I'd LOVE to see it happen, but I won't hold my breath.

Anonymous said...

To 10:01, I hear you.

But to correct the record, I didn’t just put my name out. I did attend some board meetings, but didn’t speak out at them. I spoke privately to BOE members and other insiders (in some cases for many years – I had been thinking about running for a long time), but I chose not to put anyone on the spot publicly because I first wanted to learn the underlying reasons for why things are as they are, and nobody ever gives the backstory when speaking into a microphone. It never occurred to me to go to the Greece Community Center to campaign, and I deliberately chose not to campaign at my work, congregation, etc., but I was looking for neighborhood meetings or a PTA forum in the months leading up to the election. I also went door-to-door in neighborhoods, and I reached out to the media and to the unions (negative contact on each count, unfortunately), and I did do as many other things as I could think of and had time for. Bad tactics on my part, perhaps. Plus, many friends who know me put out the word by phone, on social media, etc. Then there was the all-powerful SCATS endorsement…

My assessment of the situation (and I may be wrong, but hey, I have an opinion) is that I lost not because nobody knew who I was, but because I was not recognized as belonging to one of the “safe” core interest groups that have agreed to not gore each other’s cows (the SOC folks, sports folks, teachers, administrators, etc.). Had I been the candidate of any group that is known to be part of the social compromise that keeps things smooth on the board, I would have had a 3-in-5 chance at being elected. In my opinion you cannot underestimate the importance of tranquility to this board, or to the interests that they represent. Change is possible, but unpredictability is unwelcome, and the threat of fireworks will be doused pre-emptively.

If you look at the election outcome, it was pretty clear that it was an anybody-but-me election, and you can’t make it about anybody-but-me without my name becoming known in the process. I didn’t lose for people not recognizing the name as such, but for people not associating the name with a known-to-be-safe interest group. They had to know my name to make sure they didn’t vote for it.

I ran on competence, analysis, rigor, discipline, duties, roles and responsibilities. It’s too easy to make a joke about that (“Competence is not a trusted interest group in Greece!”), but in a sense it does explain the vote: to some degree I ran on the qualities needed in an administrator, not in a BOE member. In some sense I ran for the wrong job. Then again, I ran on my experience, and my experience is heavy on command, management, and administrative roles.

Kristo Miettinen

PS On the current mess (coach Hueber), I know neither the man nor the reasons for dismissing him. Had I been on the board, I would have wanted to ensure thorough deliberation before voting – it should be unacceptable that a vote is taken on a topic where some board members are blindsided, or don’t know or understand the issue. Given what has happened so far, I am most interested in hearing what Grinnan’s take is on the topic. In the board meetings that I have attended, he comes across as a common-sense guy, and besides, he and I share an Inspector General background, so there is collegial respect as well. But I doubt he’ll ever give a full account in public (nor should he); that is why these things are discussed in executive session in the first place.

SCATS said...

To KM ~~ While I understand WHERE you are coming from and agree partially with your analysis about why you didn't get elected, there are a few HUGE factors you didn't list. They include the fact you went against a SEASONED, LONGTIME UNION MEMBER who just retired from the district. Anyone who paid attention over the last 20 yrs. or so would be familiar with his name. People tend to vote for "known quantities" as you stated. He is/was. You aren't/weren't. And I mean that in the name recognition sense first, and in the "fear factor" sense second.

Then there's the PATHETICALLY LOW VOTER TURNOUT! As I blogged about post election, the district's many recent changes "quieted" the elections. The "in-school" vote took all three seats, as witnessed by the outcome. McCabe: a known quantity with a GCSD employed spouse. Maloney: a known quantity who just retired. Christoffel: a known quantity within the PTA/Julia Vanorman legions (I never heard of her before).

All three were "I won't rock the boat" type district supporters known by the employees and parents who were "in school" that vote day.

The senior citizens have been shut up and/or alienated by a district that repeatedly changed voting locations and THEN STOPPED MAILING "polling place" reminders!