Monday, July 14, 2014

Athena Soccer Coach Booted After 25 Yrs.


13WHAM @11pm reports: Bill Hueber, a 25 year veteran Varsity Boy's Soccer Coach at Athena is suddenly out of a job. 

By a 4 to 3 vote, the Greece school board decided to not renew his contract. No other applicants have shown interest in the position. 

"I'm shocked ... I am just shocked ... I didn't do anything wrong ... I've been so enraged for three days. For what?" ~~ Bill Hueber

"He's an unbelievable role model." ~ A Greece parent

It appears this was a personal decision made by some school board member whose children didn't get to play enough.


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 Anonymous said...



Did you know that Julia was able to get a highly respected soccer coach not renewed for the fall soccer season. Seems she wanted to get back at him for not giving her little darling enough play and he did take any of her son's crap. We should be so lucky as to have her leave the board!     7/12/2014 7:55 PM

 Anonymous said...
She abused her power by pulling that crap with the soccer coach at the BOE meeting. It is just plain wrong that she ruined someone's coaching opportunity because she didn't like that her snowflake didn't get the playing time she felt he deserved. I hope the superintendent doesn't let her get away with it and has the employment revoted on.    7/13/2014 10:28 PM

SCATS ~~ I really wanted to title this: 'Revenge Of The Helicopter Parent'
   

68 comments:

Anonymous said...

Everyone is saying Julie, but the vote was 4-3. Unless the superintendent gets bombed with emails about this she will do nothing!

Anonymous said...

The last act of a power hungry parent who wanted to be on the board for no other reason than to Shephard her kids through the system.Further proof that parents with PTA connections do not belong on the BOE .
Also, shame on the other three board members that went along with her crusade against this coach.
The job will be reposted and he will be rehired if he applies
Julia will be remembered as the worst president slnce Phelan in terms of board politics and personal motivations and ambitions.

SCATS said...

To 6:19AM ~~ Sounds like LOTS of people are mad as hell. Maybe this will backfire on Julia by next month's BOE meeting.

To 6:20AM ~~ Which BOE meeting did this happen at? Julia's last meeting as BOE Prez. should have been in June. Last week's meeting was the reorg. meeting where new officers should have been chosen upfront.

Anonymous said...

She was not president at this meeting. However, during the vote on superintendants recommendations for reappointment of yearly staff, she requested a separate vote on the coach and his name was voted on separately outside the vote of those contained in the package to be approved. This was planned well in advance by Julia the other three.

Anonymous said...

Forget the next Board meeting. How about the voters remembering this next election and using some careful thought when voting?

Anonymous said...

There must have been VanOrman and 2 other for the vote to be 4 to 3. The 4 voted to re approve his contract/appointment for this school year. They must have separated his line out from the other stipends and hence the 4/3 vote. He needed 5 to pass. I'm sure all the other appointments were unanimous. Does anyone know who vote in the negative for the resolution to the soccer coach? Let's make sure we know who voted yes which would have been the 4. Who voted no which was the 3. Then we will see who her puppets are.

Anonymous said...

I bet there is more to this story than what is being reported. I have heard quite a bit of interesting stories about this coach, both positive and negative. The fact that he is all up in arms about this has probably more to do with his inability to control this situation like he has in the past with the team and parents. I will say this, he has been relentless in drumming up support from " sympathetic parents", parents that he has had a good rapport with, who have provided favors for a return on favorable playing conditions. So, I believe this story is just as rotten as what you all perpetrate it to be with vindictive board members and payoffs. This guy smells bad either way, and most likely there is evidence of that. So, Mr. Hubert, before you go and accuse people of any wrong doing, I would suggest you have your facts straight and look in the mirror before casting some absurd accusations. I am a parent of a former player, and I will tell you this, I have no ill intention against you, but you got what is coming to you. What goes around comes around.

SCATS said...

To 10:40AM ~~ I'm betting that one of her puppets is her PTA pal Christoffel.

To 10:45AM ~~ Sorry, but I'm calling BS on your remarks. The reason is that despite having your own personal experiences with him, you talk in ambiguities, never mention anything specific (it means YOU have NO evidence against him) and can't even spell his name correctly. That's three strikes ... or a foul.

SCATS said...

BTW 10:45AM, after 25 years, he deserves to hear the REASON/S he was fired. Anything less is just cowardice on the part of the district.

Anonymous said...

So, because I spelled his name wrong my comments have no merit? I call foul on you! I do have facts but I will keeps those for when the time comes. I will say that there is more to this story! btw, he was not fired, he was merely not renewed, which the BOE has the right to do. Now, you can continue to beat a dead dog but the facts remain that he is bitter and angry for reasons that are unbeknownst to us. If He want to pursue this in any legal way he has the right to do so. . He knew what he was getting himself in with the term of the contract and now that he has to live by it he is calling foul. If he is really that good I am sure he can procure employment else where.

SCATS said...

To 11:20AM ~~ I call BS yet again! First you claim: " I do have facts but I will keeps those for when the time comes." THEN you say: " ... he is bitter and angry for reasons that are unbeknownst to us."

Either YOU KNOW IT (them) ... or YOU DON'T.

I'm pretty sure you don't.

Anonymous said...

Scats, ask Hueber the real reasons! BTW unbeknownst to YOU ALL!

SCATS said...

To 11:38AM ~~ TY for PROVING my point! lol

Anonymous said...

How about GCSportsDistrict just drops the whole damn soccer team and saves taxpayers more money.

Bernie Da Lawyer can roll it into his Greece Soccer plan and nobody will miss any ball kicking.

Who knows, 6 or 7 kids might actually learn something if the ball fund was spent on education.

Anonymous said...

McCabe,melore Oberg voted to appoint, Maloney and christophal abstained and Vanorman, otoole grinnan and Crandall voted against his appointment so vote was 3-4-2

SCATS said...

To 12:21PM ~~ AGREED!!

To 12:28PM ~~ TY. An interesting split, to say the least. Maybe more than one BOE member has a grudge ... ?

Anonymous said...

What bothers me about what took place at the meeting on this particular situation is ths. Because I wasn't there and maybe they did it right ,it takes two motions, a second on each, a discussion and vote on each
First a motion, by Julia as reported, to pull this coach from the package for a separate vote. The second, a motion to vote on his reappointment . Since both motions allowed members to ask questions on each motion, the part that bothers me, having not been there, did any board member question the reason for the need for a separate vote from the maker of the motion, Julia ? If no one asked that question when the president called " the question", someone tell me how in hell anyone on the board could make an intelligent informed vote on whether or not to rehire this man. .?
This was in reality an " up or down vote" on the employment of an employee of the district and his future. No board member should take this
responsibility lightly and should be confident that they are casting an informed justifiable vote.
What a way for a new board to establish their creditability when making important decisions.
Apparently two members had reservation by abstaining . If so they had an obligation to vote to rehire instead of obtaining. We didn't vote people to the board to abstain from voting. They have an obligation to cast an informed vote, YES OR NO,!

Anonymous said...

Regarding the vote. Assuming the vote was to rehire the coach, under certain circumstances, votes to abstain are considered no votes under Robert Rules. Therefore, it would make the count 6-3 to not, accordingly if the vote was not to rehire, the vote count would be 5-4 to rehire.It would all depend on the wording of the vote.he might still have a claim to the job with a 5-4 vote.

Anonymous said...

Or Maybe it was just time to get rid of this Coach. I'm amazed at how many feel that there is a grudge. There is NO evidence of this at all! Yet people have the nerve to speculate and make comments when no one has any cold hard facts either way.

SCATS said...

To 1:48PM ~~ The way the Greece BOE has been operating in recent times is to do phone calling and/or emailing to hammer out their positions AWAY FROM THE BOARDROOM & PUBLIC!

In this case, perhaps they "discussed" in Exec. Session using the well-worn "personnel issue" excuse.

I wasn't at the meeting & did not hear the Reorg. Meeting on the radio, though I did tune-in at 6:20PM - the posted meeting time. It was well over an hour later when the BOE came out of Exec. Session & then held their business meeting. WHAT TIME DID THE REORG MEETING START?

The BOE is playing a game with the public by hiding everything that goes on and into their decion-making. Look at the Kirk Rd. School issue. WHEN/WHERE was that discussed?? NOWHERE despite having to provide a "PUBLIC HEARING" on the topic. What a total sham this BOE has become. I'm especially ashamed of Frank Oberg who ought to know better.

SCATS said...

To 3:16PM ~~ If it was time, fine! BUT this guy deserves a reason, or three, after 25 years. My gut instincts are usually correct on these sorts of boardroom shenanigans - he was ousted because someone's panties got twisted into a knot. Looking back on the record, Ms. Julia has gotten her way quite a number of times previously. Why would this be any different?

Anonymous said...

1:48 What you are failing to take into account is the use of E mails and phone calls made to and between board members prior to a meeting.
I doubt if Julia would have made her move unless she had
Secured enough votes to be successful prior to the meeting.This kind of crap goes on all the time.

SCATS said...

To 3:27PM ~~ YUP!! You are spot on, but it's not just Julia. I've even heard the Supt. tell them to "email ALL questions" prior to a next meeting. They don't even pretend to be a democratic entity.

Anonymous said...

It was a vote to accept the position of this man as coach. If it was a new person it would have been the same. It was an appointment for a year.
So the result was 4 to 3. He would have needed a 5 vote to carry this. It was not a vote to fire him. There were other positions in there that were all accepted with no nays. He was separated as the previous commenter said. But it was not a vote against him. So if there were 2 abstentions the result would have been 4aye 3 nay abs-2. We needed 5 aye's to pass and they didn't. So he is not the hire for the year. Again who were the abstentions and who were the nays? The abstentions seem more like cowards than the puppets who voted nay. The community needs an explanation.

SCATS said...

To 4:15PM ~~ I seem to recall that when HMO were on the BOE some HUGE deal was made by Boily forcing one of them (I think) to cast a yes or no vote, instead of an abstention. Given that, I agree the cowards on this issue need to go on record with a position.

Does anyone else find it remarkable that some of the SAME FOLKS who fought to keep the hockey coach after he ADMITTED to drinking while supervising on an overnight trip are all up in arms about this man?

Unless he's a drug-pushing pedophile (which I doubt he is) then I can't imagine what sort of egregious behavior would be costing him his job after 25 years ... unless it's EXACTLY what others said from the gitgo: retaliation by an angry soccer parent or two.

Anonymous said...

Nobody wants to mention the errors he made back two years when the transfer from AQ came in. Never submitted proper paperwork, made the team forfeit all 7 games played and then blamed Admin. This was all over section v. When asked what he did for the AQ transfer that came in the year before, he said nothing, A player played an entire season inelegible. He's an average coach that can be replaced in a NY second. Nobody applied for the job because they assumed he would be renewed. Im glad to read he isnt.

Anonymous said...

Scats, your memory is pretty sharp regarding the Boily factor. I remember it quite well. However, it was not about a yes or no vote as much as it was about not giving one of them a second on his motion regarding our former super .

Anonymous said...

It wasn't anything he did wrong that resulted in this vote. It was 2 board members grinding an ax over personal beefs with this coach. One being a scorned helicopter parent the other being a former scorned cut player. It may have taken them both awhile to get revenge but they outright abused their power as board members for their own personal agendas. Their vote was not to benefit the soccer program or the students. They are just too scared to go on record as to why they did thus because they do not have a justifiable reason. I hope the coach gets some legal advice and representation, not sure what he can do but at least the two ringleaders would have to think twice about their "upstanding" board behavior.

SCATS said...

To 6:17PM ~~ Actually, I forgot what little I ever heard about that. The problem is that people think I already have heard the story, so I get the bigger picture without much detail.

To 6:19PM ~~ Ah yes! An Achramovitch moment!!

To 7:17PM ~~ Along with whatever parental/athlete support this coach might get at the next monthly meeting, MAYBE it would be a good idea to plan to ask one or more BOE members to step down ...? Perhaps it's time.

Anonymous said...

scats are you ready for the subpoenas?

@7:17 you make these accusations just as if they are facts. Unless you have first hand knowledge of what one person was thinking in that boardroom I would be careful for you are surely slandering these individuals.

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Anonymous said...

Maybe there are skeletons in his closet after all that came to light this year? Why else would the BOE vote him in last year and then this year vote to not renew his contract? There is definitely more to this story than meets the eye.

SCATS said...

To 8:05PM ~~ If you watched the story on this that aired at 11PM last night, then you would realize the coach himself essentially said the same things. It's a PUBLIC DISCUSSION which includes personal opinions about public figures.

To 8:10PM ~~ Please don't forget the composition of the BOE changed by 2 seats on July 1. That can influence those who remain.

Anonymous said...

Two curious aspects of the vote:

McCabe and Maloney ran as a ticket yet split their vote here.

Grinnan, who seems levelheaded, voted against. There might be teeth in whatever allegations were presented.

Now Maloney and Chrisoffel abstaining could just be the "new guy" factor, indicating that in their judgment this is an issue that was debated before their time. Of course issues debated by the old board should have been decided by the old board, but it doesn't always work out that way. That said, given that abstention is a functional "no" vote, they owe this employee a fair shake, and should have held out for enough debate to persuade themselves how to vote their conscience. They could have done this by threatening to vote "yes" until the issues were properly aired out among the board, after which they could vote "yes" or "no" as fully informed board members.

Maloney especially, as a proud unreformed union guy, should have resisted throwing an employee hastily under the bus without really good reasons.

PS if Crandall played for the guy then he should have recused himself (does this board even have rules for recusal?). Ditto any parent whose kid played for him, I suppose (Van Orman?). Recusal is not the same as abstention, it changes the size of the board for purposes of determining a majority.

Anonymous said...

8:05 You can't "utter" in print. That is libel. Slander is spoken. Can you hear the "utterances" coming from this page?
There have been no untrue comments written here about a non-public person with malice intent. There have been no malicious comments about a non-public person or a public person. There has been no direct identifications of anyone besides the coach who it seems we are all supporting. The other identifiers have been the votes which are public record. At least it would be in a free and democratic area. There still seems to be confusion as to who voted which way and why.

SCATS said...

To 5:53AM ~~ You bring up some INTERESTING points about abstentions & recusals. I don't believe I've EVER heard a BOE member speak in terms of recusal. Despite having so many serving with DIRECT TIES TO EMPLOYEES, you seldom hear of anyone abstaining due to a conflict of interest either. Of course, that would require scruples.

On top of everything else, at the Reorg portion of the meeting, they signed the BOE's "Code of Ethics." Is that ironic, or what? Among things in that code, it states their votes are to be: "unswayed by partisan bias of any kind!" They are also expected to refrain from using their position for personal gain, yet we've all seen that only applies to certain individuals and not others.

For a good laugh, here's the paper they signed:
http://www.boarddocs.com/ny/greece/Board.nsf/files/9LMQLD664B82/$file/Board%20Member%20Expectations%20Form.pdf

SCATS said...

To 7:17AM ~~ TY. Threats, threats, threats ... it's amusing to see someone attempt to stop the free flow of info using a threat based on a faulty premise ;)

Anonymous said...

Faulty premise? What about accusing the BOE of collusion? That within itself is a faulty premise for the sole purpose of getting back a mediocre coach or for you scats to keep interest in a DEAD story.

SCATS said...

To 12:32PM ~~ YOU are the only person to suggest that.

If just under 600 pageviews in under 48 hrs. is a "dead" story, then I guess dead stories generate MUCH INTEREST :)

Anonymous said...

A recently retired BOE member told me that at no time prior to the reorg meeting, was there any discussions relative to the employment record of the soccer coach. Board members not lined up with the former president , were blind sided by her actions. I believe that's why we saw the vote go as it did. New members had no idea what was going on while the other seven did and voted accordingly. That said, there was ample time for the new members to ask why this name was pulled " out of the hat" for a separate vote. Their inexperience was exploited by Julia at that meeting plain and simple.he was domed the minute they abstained they became a seven member board on this issue making 5 votes out of the remaining seven the real game changer.

Anonymous said...

The BOE president's name has been all over the place in recent months. Not in a good way. Her credibility is low. Let's not forget her son was a ring leader in the facilitation of underaged drinking in Jamaica in April. This also involved theft. Did anyone else find her actions a little weird and unprofessional at graduation for Athena? Maybe coach Huber knew things about the student that prevented him from playing much ( poor athlete conduct, not working as hard and dedicated). I wouldn't hold the AD in too high standards over there to make decisions. Issues and violations have been ignored many times with the girl's soccer program there.

Anonymous said...

@12:32 I second that! I think I remember a thread posted last week, with SCATS crying about a diving coach wanted. Make up you're mind already. Its sport too important in Greece or not important enough?

Anonymous said...

In the real world of correct parliamentary procedure, Roberts Rules, the board president is not required to cast a vote on action items, The president should be the last member to vote. His vote is intended to be the deciding vote if the motion on the table is deadlocked at 4-4. However, if the necessary threshold of 5 votes has already taken place before his turn, he is not required to vote, That's why we have a 9 member board in the first place. Ties defeat the motion,
This raises a question in my mind regarding the Maloney vote. Assuming the correct sequence of voting was followed, Maloney would have had to vote before Mc Cabe on the issue he was confused by. I suggest that if Mc Cabe had voted before him, he may well have followed suit instead of opting out. It would have made a HUGE ( where have I heard that before) difference in the out come.

SCATS said...

To 2:29PM ~~ You can ATTEMPT to change the topic all you like, BUT it's not happening here. The thread about the diving coach was a TOTALLY DIFFERENT TOPIC.

This thread isn't about whether or not we need any coach. It's about whether the longtime employee was discriminated against by his employer when reappointment was up. In this case, he already had the OK of Babs & admin. It's the BOE who is showing their true colors.

To 2:36PM ~~ Perhaps so, but impossible to know at this point.

Anonymous said...

Video of board vote
Time: 1:44:05

http://videostream.greece.k12.ny.us/BOE%20Meetings%2013-14/BOE9-10-13/BOE%20Meeting%20Playlist.html

SCATS said...

To 3:29PM ~~ TY for posting the link. The actual start of the staffing issue begins around 1:44:25. Then they vote, revote, revote ... what a MESS! It's clear they don't know WTH they are doing!!

SCATS said...

BTW, earlier in the meeting Julia instructed Lisa that she could always abstain if she didn't know/understand what she was voting on. That seems to have paved the way for her NEXT abstention!

SCATS said...

I listened to several different topics on that video. How INTERESTING that "REAL ESTATE" was added to the last Exec. Session list of topics! Since when did THAT become closed door meeting-worthy???

Anonymous said...

Sorry to say that he should have gone a long time ago. Bravo to Adam Crandall for recognizing this. You know what they say about karma.

Anonymous said...

Id say 25 years is along time,(a lot longer then alot of HS coaches) where you at this meeting SCATS? I guess im just out of the loop and dont see why you have such a problem with the BOE. Like i said 25 years is along time, i dont think they would fire/ not renew a contract for the reasons you suggest.. it seems you have some kind of "ax to grind". Maybe they feel after 25 years, its just time to mix things up. Im sure theres more to the story. I find it crazy to think this would happen just because Julia does not like him? You're an employee of GCSD rt SCATS? If thats the case id think her problems with this coach would be nothing compaired to her problems with you. You do attack this woman a lot?? If shes so powerful like you suggest, Id think she'd be after you. Not some coach?

SCATS said...

To 11:30AM ~~ WHAT did he do, aside from cast a vote, to give him credit?

To 12:24PM ~~ You are so confused on so many different issues, I'm not even going to try to set you straight - it simply wouldn't be worth the effort. I will point out one MAJOR oversight on your part: WHY would the Supt & district administration RECOMMEND HIS APPOINTMENT TO THE BOE if there was some known problem?? They already gave his reappointment their stamp of approval!

Anonymous said...

Amen SCATS, I don't often agree with you but this time you are right on. This coach was approved from the building level to the Superintendent, with many layers in between. This really could be looked at as a vote of no confidence by the Board of the Superintendent.

SCATS said...

To 2:41PM ~~ I watched the video of the meeting. I don't get the impression there was ANY prior discussion about his reappointment either. Do you? Mostly, they seemed confused.

And there certainly was NO discussion at the meeting, as usual.

Anonymous said...

What if his removal was just? What if he being so concerned with pleasing others was basing his own decisions not on the individual talents of his players but by perhaps other influences

SCATS said...

To 12:57AM ~~ For it to be "just" there MUST BE evidence of justice! SHOW US!

Anonymous said...

If that removal was "just", then the board should have considered voting down other/another coach(es) as well. There are others/another that have/has allegedly failed to follow coach code of conduct as well that have complaints against them and have covered up for players instead of doing the right thing by school, other players and team.

SCATS said...

To 6AM ~~ THAT pretty muchs shows us this was personal, a vendetta against this coach!

Anonymous said...

If youve ever been coached by him you would understand

Anonymous said...

If you knew how he coached and saw the politics in which he coached, the way he treated some of his better players, none of you would argue the decision

SCATS said...

To 12:39/12:56PM ~~ Are we talking about Hueber still? Again, the Supt. & Admin. APPROVED HIM!! Somewhere, there's a disconnect between that and the BOE's refusal to do so. They ALL need to be on the same page, but they aren't. Since they aren't, an explanation is needed.

After 25 years, this guy deserves to know WHY he's been let go. Wouldn't YOU want to know??

Anonymous said...

Even a broken old fashioned clock is right twice a day. Our board is broken. They have closed sessions for "real estate" when that should be open. They keep information off the agendas so we don't know the whole story. They are confused about Roberts rules in general. They don't know that a request for separation when there are sequences of resolutions does not require an "amendment" of all things. At least they may know that request doesn't require a second or that was just a fluke. They bully new members as they try to orient themselves.
The choice of this man as coach was vetted at the building and the administration level. We have shared decision making. Basically the superintendent used the counsel of the school community as she presented her list of choices. They chose to unwittingly (or not) thumb their noses at the superintendent. Apparently the main crusader to oust this man knew she had the proper number of votes going into the meeting and they only flubbed it up because she didn't get her choice of board officers and the man who did become prez wasn't aware of her plot. Hence the aura of confusion over abstentions and amendments. In the end she got her way. This was not just. But we in Greece get our just desserts for being unaware of what is going on at our very closed school board meetings.

SCATS said...

To 1:09PM ~~ Yup! On top of that, they either don't know or don't care to follow their own policies, State laws, District Regulations, etc.

I sum it up by calling it ARROGANCE OF THE HIGHEST ORDER.

Frank Oberg should be ASHAMED! He DOES know better, but has sold out to the closed, clubby and corrupt group's methods for doing business.

As a result, the next HUGE SCANDAL is just waiting around the corner!

Anonymous said...

To 1:01 pm
He does know why, whether he admits it or not

SCATS said...

To 1:30PM ~~ If I were to believe you (which I am having a hard time doing), then please share with us all: WHO TOLD HIM THE REASONS & WHEN?

Anonymous said...

No one told him, he just knows, you have to be unintelligent to think he has no idea why

SCATS said...

To 2:37PM ~~ I'd be a complete moron to believe YOU CAN READ HIS MIND ;)

Anonymous said...

@12:39 and @12:56 there are many families that could say the same thing about other coaches in Greece. Why are they still coaching? The politics in soccer is incredible and some of the players decide to broadcast their stupidity all over social media, with no consequence. It gets seen, turned into the coach or administration, and the kids still get to play! And the coach still gets to coach. And...EVERYONE knows about it....teachers, parents, players.....It needs to be uniform for all infractions.

Anonymous said...

To 3:12 Well do your homework on the guy and then look at his decisions he made during his past seasons, im sure you will find many coincidences

SCATS said...

To 4:17PM ~~ The politics of ALL sports in Greece is quite strongly entrenched.

To 5:08PM ~~ My "homework" consists of the FACTS which show he was supported by Admin & the Supt AND the newly elected BOE Prez. until Julia brought up the issue in the MOST general way possible! Based on that, I'd say his personnel record is clean. Hearsay doesn't count.