Monday, June 16, 2014

Zoning Board Meeting, Tuesday @7PM


Return of The Animal Hoarders


Applicant: Elizabeth LaBeef Cardella

Location: 290 Stonewood Avenue

Mon. Co. Tax No.: 060.58-4-27

Zoning District: R1-E (Single-Family Residential)

Request: An area variance to allow six (6) dogs to be kept at a residence where not more than three (3) dogs shall be permitted per dwelling unit. Sec. 211-30 A
  

34 comments:

Anonymous said...

What difference does it make?

Code compliance has let the mower shop on Kuhn Road change ownership without addressing the failure to get a Business Permit, install a new bathroom with no Permit, No Town Required fire sprinklers.

The best part,it is NOT a Commercial Property.

Even Antelli made his tenants get proper Permits before they opened a business.

Anonymous said...

That seems odd. I worked fot Antelli's father years ago. Code enforcment was the last thing on his mind. The place i worked was the biggest dump in Greece.lol

Anonymous said...

I agree ! Existing codes are nothing more than bathroom toiletries . Non are enforced and if so, selectively done depending largely on Whom, when and where . This request will be routinely denied.
BTW. Unless your a neighbor or live in tha neighborhood, it really shouldn't concern you in the slightest what ever the outcome is one way or another unless you dislike dogs or other domestic animals.

Anonymous said...

Under previous and present administrations, Greece has been slowly transformed into one large modern day trailer park. Once a former Farming community, it has been allowed to return to its roots.So what difference is a few more " animals" going to make in the overall decline of this "ONE HORSE TOWN".?

SCATS said...

To 10:21AM ~~ As we've seen previously, not all of these requests "are routinely denied." Thus the BLOG about it.

As for who should be concerned, I could NOT disagree more! What happens on Dewey Ave. does NOT stay on Dewey Ave. They can't discriminate against some & not others. When one area goes to the dogs, it will spread to other areas in time.

It kinda reminds me of Baxter's talk on the "Broken Window" theory - leave just one broken window in a neighborhood & pretty soon others will also remain broken, graffiti will appear, the weeds will be allowed to grow ...

SCATS said...

To 10:40AM ~~ Actually, I've seen some much tidier trailer parks! Greece doesn't allow trailers, does it?

Anonymous said...

They don't allow motor homes either, But just ride around town and see how many are illegally parked in driveways and town right of ways. It's one of the reasons it deserves to be called 'a"SHANTY TOWN "
This fact defines the major difference between Greece and other West side towns with east siders like Pittsford, Mendon, Brighton and Perinton
Only a river divides them but the cultural and esthetic differences between the east and west side of it are clearly defined.

SCATS said...

To 2:12PM ~~ I agree, but I'd add that the attitude of East siders is different too. They have SOME pride. Most on this side of town lack it, and it shows!

Anonymous said...

Let's face it, Greece has become a low class, classless town. To see proof. take a ride to Pittsford or Perinton and observe proof of this sorry situation.

I have relatives who live in Perinton . Visiting them from my home in Greece is like visiting another world entirely.
No where will you find a motor home, commercial vehicles, junk unregistered cars, tow trucks, etc parked in driveways on residential streets and other public places. .

Not so in Greece where you can run an auto repair business out of your garage, park a flatbed tow truck in the driveway like the creep that lives in my neighborhood just around the block from my residence in the Picturesque, El Mar Dr. Area. Complaints have been ignored by those who are supposed to enforce codes governing such activities. In Perinton no one does this for two very distiict reasons, First it's against the law and secondly, and most importantly, residents
In that area, take pride in their neighborhoods unlike residents of Greece (Grease) by comparison.who for the most part ,are clueless when it comes to exhibiting class.

Anonymous said...

It's not so much attitude about themselves. Many Greece home owners are extremely neat and proud of their homes. Then there are the people on the street that are storing many junky vehicles on their lot as well as being untidy and disruptive. The attitude in Greece is to just try to not notice and never say anything in case the offending neighbor is violent or vindictive. Sometimes the offending neighbors are related to public officials and know not only they can get away with anything, but there might be consequences if someone complains. The town bends over backwards to not follow through on complaints. This Greece attitude of silence and submission might be spreading to the eastside too. You have to go pretty far east to see zoning that doesn't allow multiple recreation vehicles and boats being decoratively stored on front lawns.

Anonymous said...

Take a ride down McGuire Road. That's an eye opener. And most are home owners. And don't get me started on businesses who violate every single code violation but get to stay in business.

Anonymous said...

What do any of there comments have to do with the topic? I know the house in question, and even tho their yard could def use a good cleaning, ive driven by there almost daily, and never noticed any dogs??

SCATS said...

To 11:20AM ~~ How many people do you know who keep their dogs in the front yard??

If the yard "could def use a good cleaning" imagine what the backyard is like after a few weeks with 6 dogs!

I had a neighbor with two huge beasts. He never scooped ... until he wanted to sell his house! Then, it took a crew of two half a day and several boxes of plastic bags to accomplish what he ignored. YUCK!!

Anonymous said...

My daughter has gone to school with Elizabeth's daughter, and had many sleep-overs, over their years of friendship, she has never complained of the state of the inside of the house. My daughter is also not what you would call a "dog lover" by any means, she did however make comments about the kindness of her friends dogs. In my comment Im speaking of the back yard, most of which can be seen just by driving by. The def need of clean up I mentioned, has to do with the tents etc. that can be seen along with xmas items, Ive dropped her off many time to speak with Elizabeth regarding my rules and to make sure we're on the same page. There was no gross smells coming from inside/outside of the house. My point being how is this considered " hoarding"? I understand the rule being a max of 3 dogs, but I think your opening statement is unfair. When I think of animal hoarding, i think of many, many unkept, sick, dirty animals, lacking vet care, and unhappy. This is just my opinion, but even tho its public info, why post her name and address? This has been very upsetting to her daughter. Most people with pets think of those pets as family and love them like children, so i can see how it would be hard for some to have to pick and choose which family members to get rid of. I in no way concider Greece to be a "shanty" town.@4:20, which is it? "Low class or classless", im not sure it can be both??

Anonymous said...

Usually people keep their outside of their homes better than the inside. Many hoarders have clutter on the outside that is nothing compared to the inside. If the request for variance comes after they were inspected for some other violations then there were complaints. Maybe the inspector saw evidence of the number of pets. It could have been even more than the 6. They could have had 20 and gave away or had many taken away. Now they want to keep 6. If the town lets them and doesn't address the other infractions evident just on the outside of the yard then they are setting a precedent for apathy. They might as well say we can have any number of pets and have our yards full of carnival gear and vehicles without worry.

SCATS said...

To 12:17PM ~~ You think my opening statement is unfair, BUT you neglect to even consider how UNFAIR it might be to the neighbors who probably had to COMPLAIN & TURN HER IN FOR HAVING TOO MANY DOGS!!

Seriously, few if any of these cases come to the Zoning Board BEFORE the rules were broken. Her daughter's "upset" is one of the CONSEQUENCES of a parent who ignores the laws.

Low class or classless: does it REALLY matter??

Anonymous said...

Also I neglected nothing! Ive been harassed by a women for years, along with others on my street over barking dogs. I have one dog and a 900 sq foot house, animal control and GPD showed up at my house 20+ times last summer in regards to my dog barking. Not only was it uncalled for her to call over and over, because i have a 900 Sq foot house, when my dog is in the yard and barks, it takes me 2 secs from any room to let her in. There where times my dog way in doors and GPD would show up. It got to the point where animal control and GPD realized she was a crazy and stopped coming all together. Thats what makes your statement unfair, u have no idea if the neighbors complaining are the type that just like to complain.

Anonymous said...

To 11:20 and 12:17 If they have 6 or more dogs and they are not visible outside then they are inside. (or imaginary) Dogs have to do their business somewhere and if they are not outside, where are they doing their business? Not a pretty picture you have presented.
It sounds like you have had your discussions with the lady of the manor to make sure you are "on the same page" outside the house where your daughter slept. You say there was no smell from inside on the outside. Did you step inside or did you protect the house's privacy by having the discussions outside? Only your daughter was let inside and you are basing your conclusions on her childlike eye and nose witness accounts. Of course your daughter wants to stay at her friend's house and might not let you know what's happening there regarding neatness and organization. Most kids are pretty naive about that and want to protect their friends. Just like you are protecting the mom where you allow your child to visit. And in the end protecting yourself since you let your child stay in a house that is in violation of some codes. Why would you want your child to stay at a house overnight where there were at least 6 dogs that never were(according to you)seen outside.

SCATS said...

To 3:51PM ~~ Please tell me how much barking is permitted under the laws, codes, etc.

Your 2 sec. remark is an obvious exaggeration.

Even if your dog is inside AND barking, it can be a nuisance to your neighbors. Pet owners are supposed to TRAIN their animals AND keep them quiet. It's my right to complain, just as it was your neighbor's.

To 4:34PM ~~ Imaginary!? Let's not go THERE!! lmao

I agree that it sounds as if the person hasn't actually gone in the house. I wonder if there are working smoke detectors? A CO detector? People who thumb their noses at one part of the code often disdain being told how to live, period. My kids only stay at homes we've seen from the inside. It's a matter of safety, not to mention good parenting.

Anonymous said...

I was in fact inside the house, no i didnt do a walk through, but u can smell animal crap from a mile away. I had not idea there were code violations, its not something people just come out and tell others. I said i never saw 6 dogs outside, i did see 3 dogs inside.. does that comment lead u to believe that the dog go inside? Im sure they go to the bathroom outside like most dogs, does that mean they dont clean up the poop??.. let the what a bad parent comment start..

Anonymous said...

Inside/outside the house were my exact words

SCATS said...

To 6:17PM ~~ The presence of smoke detectors is usually rather obvious.

You neglected to tell us how much barking is permitted. I knew you would ;)

Your other comments devolved into rants about other things we don't bother with on here.

SCATS said...

To 6:17PM ~~ The presence of smoke detectors is usually rather obvious.

You neglected to tell us how much barking is permitted. I knew you would ;)

Your other comments devolved into rants about other things we don't bother with on here.

Anonymous said...

I believe 20mins is the max a dog is aloud to bark. Per animal control/ GPD.. there are plenty of questions that go unanswered by u. No i didnt take the time to search their house for smoke detectors. My bad

SCATS said...

To 8:47PM ~~ WRONG!!

Town Code states: "No person shall allow, permit or fail to prevent any dog owned, cared for or controlled, kept, cared for or harbored by him/her that engages in frequent, prolonged, continual, habitual or excessive barking, howling, whining or crying or conducts itself in such a manner as to unreasonably or habitually annoy or disturb the comfort, peace or repose of any person other than the dog owner, whether or not the dog is on the owner's premises.

Anonymous said...

2:12 Wrong Greece has no regulation against motor homes. As long as its registered it can be parked in your driveway. Commercial vehicles are regulated and not allowed.

Anonymous said...

Why is it that no one complains about 3 cats? Cats stink way more. And it's about time cat owners be forced to license their precious felines.

SCATS said...

To 9:58PM ~~ Good catch. I was thinking mobile homes when I read that. ONE commercial vehicle is permitted on premises.

From the Town Code: "The parking of a single commercial vehicle is permitted, provided that the load capacity of said vehicle does not exceed one ton (as required by Chapter 211, Zoning, of the Code of the Town of Greece)."

To 10:39PM ~~ I agree that cats can be annoying and become a nuisance too. We gave up trying to plant in certain areas around our home. The darned cats kept digging everything up.

Anonymous said...

I was told by animal control/GPD that it was 20 mins. I would NEVER allow my dog to bark for even 5mins

SCATS said...

To 10:51AM ~~ Obviously, those guys are out-of-touch with Greece's codes. The wording clearly indicates that FREQUENCY matters ;)

GreeceResident1 said...

I live right next door to a canine owner who moved into the neighborhood a few years ago. As a hobby, she is a breeder and trainer of security enforcement dogs (German Shepard breed) and owns two of them.

When she bought the property she immediately erected a six foot closed in stockade fence around the perimeter of her yard and a four foot chain link fence in the front facing the road. The fence is ugly and makes my property look like I live next to a bovine stockyard.

But in fairness to her she is devoted to her animals and takes good care of them. When she walks her dogs on the public sidewalk they appear to be disciplined and under her complete control. When the neighborhood children or adults walk on the sidewalk the dogs bark or growl and sound very aggressive from the backyard, even though they cannot see any people. In that respect her fence serves a purpose.

The barking at times occurs as early as 6:00am and as late as 11:30pm but not for a very long time. Since I'm retired I tolerate it. As long as she keeps her dog's barking to a minimum and the number of dogs residing with her in accordance with the town ordinance for dog ownership I can deal with it.

I don't have anything in common with her so we do not converse as neighbors generally do however the bottom line is she has property rights as an owner just like I do. So far we live in reasonable peace.

SCATS said...

To 12:20PM ~~ Just to clarify: The town ordinance for dogs is a limit of THREE. She currently has SIX. It sounds like someone complained about it.

Anonymous said...

Maybe they complained about the yard???

SCATS said...

To 10:11PM ~~ At some point, the dogs became the issue. Thus the "request for variance" made at the zoning meeting.