Tuesday, June 03, 2014

Study Shows Teacher Absences Hurt


"We have learned that it is not so much district policy but expectations which lead to high attendance. Teachers who work in buildings that are led by principals with high standards are much less likely to be absent." ~~  Kate Walsh, Pres. Natl Council on Teacher Quality

SCATS ~~ It's a given that substitute teachers do not effectively replace absent classroom teachers. I've always wondered what the correlation is between teacher attendance & student attendance. High expectations leads to better outcomes for most things.
 

30 comments:

Charlie Hubbard said...

What is the absenteeism rate in Greece? It would be interesting to see 'if' the board knows - I would be surprised if they do.
I'll say it again - read page 34 and 35 of the teachers contract as an example of the mess public education is in.

SCATS said...

To Charlie ~~ You'd be surprised. I'd be stupefied! Even asking the question would be considered "trouble" by the BOE & DO staff ;)

Anonymous said...

Uh Duh...
What high level educated professional made this statement?
And who with even a minimal education or questionable level of intelligence couldn't make the same point?
That said, what is the appropriate, acceptable, or legal level any employer will accept?
Anyone remember EK's stated cutoff?
And who will determine what might become overriding factors to those statistics such as heart, cancer, stroke, birth defect pregnancies, etc, etc???
Sounds like somebody is seeking the title of God here!

Anonymous said...

It might surprise the two of you but teachers are humans like you and I and as such they are not immune to the illness that afflict even you super humans. Now let's here the crap in response.
As for youMr Hubbard, this thread was sure to draw your usual diatribe about worthless contracts, absenteeism inept boards.etc.
As a former board member nothing changed while you were there so perhaps you might like to share your ideas on how board members can do better than you did back when you were there, Just curious as criticism without any ideas to bring about a fix is just idle BS.That goes for anyone who posts here and lobs grenades without having any intelligent thought on how to make things better in our schools and for that matter, our town. Just the opinion of a resident and taxpayer interested in hearing some good ideas on how to fix the myriad of problems confronting our town as a whole,

SCATS said...

To 5:41PM ~~ There's a big difference between "playing God" and reigning in those who use & abuse (Yes, I said abuse!) their ability to call in ill. I know all about how SOME, a few, the minority, might suffer from cancer or other ongoing illnesses. But the VAST MAJORITY of those taking a day here and three days there are not suffering from any such issue. They just want a day or three away ... with pay.

To 6:38PM ~~ This isn't Mr. Hubbard's problem, not now & certainly not when he had one of nine votes on a BOE that sold out to the unions long ago. (If you don't believe that, just look at his former running mate's records!) This is an issue that impacts ALL of those who have children attending a PUBLIC SCHOOL.

Did you happen to catch the NY State Exposed topic on yesterday's news? It was about the impact of TENURE on us all. One BIG SURPRISE = In charter schools where tenure isn't given, performance improves! Higher graduation rates. Better grades.

I've asked district officials at several past public meetings to discuss the correlation between teacher absences & student absences. Guess what? THEY CAN'T!

Charlie Hubbard said...

6:38 (anonymous)
You can't 'fix' a problem until you identify and agree there 'is' a problem.
A correction to how I identify contracts within public education - they are worthless, do/nothing, give/aways. Again, for starters just read page 34 and 35 that I have been speaking about for years.

Anonymous said...

Hey Scats - you missed it - former Greece cops wayne fenton and becky leware arrested in Canandaigua -

SCATS said...

To 10:27PM ~~ She was GPD too?

Anonymous said...

Well then if it's not his problem then he just should butt out
Because in all these years he still has nothing new to offer. He's like a broke record on this topic. Same old crap,

SCATS said...

To 7:06AM ~~ I disagree. He's had the inside view that YOU lack. Blame "the same old crap" on the district which resists meaningful change!

Anonymous said...

Hey 6:38pm, perhaps you could explain how the (blank) school teacher I know has ended up "sick" in the days that follow a particular school break, every year for the last 5+ years? Tell me how she is just like "like you and I". These teachers are so out of touch with reality that they pull this crap, and then go around to others in the community and openly discuss how return airfare is cheaper when they travel on Mon or Tues. Thats how comfortable they are with thumbing their nose(s) at the rules and policies that are supposed to prevent this behavior. It further proves that it's conduct that is ingrained among Greece teachers as a whole. Rules are only as good has those paid to enforce/follow them.

I'm glad you brought up Hubbard in this conversation. Wasn't I he the one that pushed for a dress code (no hats, etc.) that was eventually adopted by the district? The schools were given the tools to enforce an expectation and what happened? Freaking hats are everywhere, and to my knowledge the rule still exists.

Some advice: Find another group of people to champion, or get used to losing debates.

Anonymous said...

Scats, You had to know this was coming. If I didn't know better, I think you made those comments about Charlie's running mates just to make it happen. Well if you did it worked. So I will set the record straight even though I compute that this comment has less than a 0% chance of getting posted? But hey, who knows you might surprise me so here goes.
First, you sell out charge is a complete falsehood.on your part.Ket me remind of a couple of things that took place because of that HMO coalition.
We were responsible for ridding the district of Keller- Cogan and most if her evil minions, we prevailed on our acting Superintendent to eliminate 41 unnecessary administrative positions . Directed those in charge of negotiating with the unions, not to bring before us an agreement that did not contain meaningful concessions in health care costs. Instructed the new super, Achromovich to layoff as many teachers as necessary to put forth significant budgetary costs and related taxes. As a result, we were never, in those 3 yrs presented a proposed GTA contract to bring to a vote containing our demands.
As Charlie will no doubt recall, we were both designate by the board to attend and observe the negotiation between GTA and the District reps which we both did.Im sure Charlie would agree that the sessions we attended were non productive with only non cost language changes as the topic that both sides could not even agree to disagree and we stopped attending,
The contract that I recall we voted to approve that Drew Charlie's ire , was the AGCEPT contract for our hourly support staff. That contract gave those individuals a meager .50 cent an hour raise which still put them well behind other area school districts in that phase if their operation . As a result, the District found it self still in the position of loosing District trained employees to Hilton and others who paid more.
As I distinctly recall, Charlie never forgave his running mate for approving that 50 cent raise.This In fact led to the breakup of our HMO coalition as Charlie would jump the reservation and shortly thereafter joined the new Boily bunch and eventually voted to hire ACHROMOVITCH
Scats, you really have no idea about what when on during the executive sessions when these parameters were being put forth on how to effectively deal with union negotiations. For you to characterize us for SELLING OUT, is a total distortion of the facts.

Joe Moscato said...

Scats, I can't resubmit but I initiated the post to which you refer Post this comment in this regard. Joe Moscato attach to the time of post to clear up any misunderstanding thanks. Joe

Anonymous said...

Hi SCATS,

Looks like you stepped on some "teacher toes". I'm sure that cancer, stroke, etc... plays a role in SOME absences; but let's examine all absences. The teacher that continually likes a 3-4 day weekend, the ones that call in sick after every holiday.

I worked for county, state, and federal government for over 25 years. After a while you know who the "cronic call offs" are. We used to have a joke around the office..."so-and-so called in dead today, they were out of sick time". These are the same people that would use their sick time like vacation time; and then when God forbid, something bad happened, there would be a memo/e-mail put out looking for donated leave to help them out.

You're on the right track SCATS. Keep asking the tough questions. Don't let up. Keep giving the DO and BOE "agita". Change can only come from the top down, and maybe, just maybe, others will get fed up and start asking their own questions and start asking why yours are not getting answered.

Thanks, again.

Anonymous said...

Scars, Where did you accuse anyone of selling out? What is Moscato talking about? Did I miss something?

SCATS said...

To 8:35AM ~~ Yup, it was Charlie with some help from MO too. Look at the skateboard "ban" as another example of FAILED policy in GCSD! If I'm not mistaken, the sign going into the Odyssey School driveway says: "NO SKATEBOARDING" but after school there is a swarm of young males flying down the driveway on SKATEBOARDS!

PLEASE NOTE that 10:14AM was authored by Joe Moscato, thus the post at 1:40PM.

As far as selling out goes, you Joe, left behind a voting record that pretty much reflected UNION ALL THE WAY. Show me otherwise. In fact, please show me that YOU in particular didn't support the sky high salary increases bestowed upon Lynne Armstrong, the head of security and some third person after an Exec. Session where your favorite Supt. bullied everyone into giving the raises "or else." I've heard the circumstances from several and it all boils down to NO BACKBONE. Not for GTA. Not for Admin.

To 2:07PM ~~ I'm known for stepping on toes ... and in piles. TY for your support!

SCATS said...

To 3:19PM ~~ Actually, I didn't use those words UNTIL I responded in my 3:21PM posting. I think he realizes that whenever I bring up the infamous threesome that his (guilty?) conscience is going to gear up for a battle, whether or not one is actually called for. They call that a DEFENSE MECHANISM.

Anonymous said...

There are some, a very small minority of teachers that do abuse the system. I agree that something should be done to curtail those that are chronically absent. However, the rampant absenteeism that you speak of, such as a teacher "taking a day here and three days there" just does not usually happen because they just want a day away. It's quite insulting and inappropriate that you would just make stuff up like that. I will add that based on reading previous blogs posts, this website is so far from the truth most of the time that it's comical. I'm not a teacher but I do work in the schools and I see a lot of what happens behind the scenes and you usually couldn't be more wrong about nearly everything!!!

Page 33 and 34 of the GTA contract that you mention is for those that are on sick disability leave. It's right there in the contract that if "a unit member, ill for a period exceeding five (5) days, or absent on more than three separate occasions within a two (2) month period" needs to provide a doctors statement that they are unable to perform their work duties. This doctor’s statement is heavily enforced and if none is/can be provided the district requires that the staff member see the district doctor. There’s no “donating” of sick leave or personal days, if you go over what you’re allowed the district will require a statement from your doctor.

Also, you do realize that schools are breeding grounds for bacteria and that they greatly aid in the spread of viruses. When the flu season occurs the teachers and students drop like flies. Many teachers will also show up to work really sick because the paperwork and planning that goes into getting a sub is more work and often requires more time than just showing up to work and grinding it out. I would certainly expect the absenteeism for a school to be much greater than most other workplaces.

SCATS said...

To 3:31PM ~~ I'm sorry but your efforts at righteous indignation fell short. I actually laughed loudly reading your comment LOL

I've PERSONALLY WITNESSED teachers who were "absent" from work. One actually was shopping at the mall & took off when she saw a familiar face among the racks & stacks!

By your own explanation of the contract verbiage, you have PROVEN that a tenured teacher can take off from work for up to 4 days at a time for up to 3 times within a 2 month period without repercussion!THAT'S AS MUCH AS 12 DAYS OFF IN 2 MONTHS!

Your final paragraph is the MOST laughable of all! First of all, those who work with the public tend to build up immunity to many of the usual viruses that spread around AND teachers have access to a modern miracle paid for by taxpayers: it's called A FLU SHOT!

SCATS said...

By the way 3:31PM ~~ You work in just 1 building. There are 16 others in the district, so your gauge about how often we're "wrong about nearly everything" falls short of being an indicator of anything outside of your own little vacuum.

Anonymous said...

SCATS, do you work in a GCSD building? Do you even enter a building daily, or weekly?! Do you know what happens in district office on a daily basis? Yeah, didn't think so...

I think you need to re-read the GTA contract. It states "ill for a period exceeding five (5) days, or absent on more than three separate occasions within a two (2) month period, or absent immediately preceding or after a holiday or vacation period". There are these things called commas separating each statement, also an or statement is made, not an and statement...but what do I know right?! You apparently know more about the ins and outs of GCSD and the union contracts than anybody that works there so I'll just keep my mouth shut.

Anonymous said...

SCATS,

of interest:

http://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/news/2014/06/04/rochester-area-high-school-rankings-in-2014.html?page=all

SCATS said...

To 3:59PM ~~ I looked up the contract and the verbiage is the SAME as previously quoted here. I understand the commas AND the use of "or" ... 4 days is LESS THAN 5 (so the first clause is ignored) AND "less than THREE separate occasions within a 2 month period of time" STILL ALLOWS FOR 3 absences of up to 4 days within 2 months!! AND it also states that a doctor's note "MAY be required" which means it also MIGHT NOT BE required ;)

To 4:05PM ~~ Your point? If you look at the BLOG being discussed, there is a HUGE difference between the rankings done by US News & World Report and the one that you posted a link for. In fact, even Olympia made the list you posted about LMAO!!

Anonymous said...

3:19 put on your reading classes and read scats comment at 7:09 for confirmation.

Joe M said...

I will freely admit to voting approval of fair contracts such as the support staff, in the case of the two Individuals you mention, both were recommendations by the acting superintendent during an executive session. I, unlike Charlie , did not leave the session while the superintendent was explaining the reasons and justifications for the increases. Raises for anyone was a four letter word for Charlie regardless of the rationale or the amount and everyone in the room knew that to be his position which he was entitled to but to walk out was , well
it was Charlie just being Charlie.
I never took kindly to anyone including you scats attacking my credibility, You can say or believe what you want but I was proud to be a member of the most proactive productive board Greece ever had prior to my tenure nor will there ever be another board able to match the accomplishments of 05 board in the future. In one year we, turned the district 180 degrees around in a positive direction only to have it sabotaged by the Boily led board which Charlie unfortunately became a willing partner when he voted to bring us the worst superintendent in recent history , Steve Achromovitich.
My only regret came as a result of my failed efforts to hold Steve Walts accountable for theft of district property and recovery of his outrageous Life time health care Benefits for life helped along by my two partners Frank and Charlie who helped Boily thwart my efforts. They did this by refusing to support my motion to begin an investigation aimed at ending our $25.000 / yr , at the time, rip off of Greece Taxpayers.In so doing ending any hope for justice in this outrageous situation.
It did then and even to this day haunts me as not only a slap in my face, but the taxpayers they swore to be guardians of their public purse.
Scats, thanks for hearing me out on these off topic remarks . Joe M

SCATS said...

Joe ~~ I'm no fool, though I sometimes play the part just for the heck of it. I am well aware that the interim Supt. had a hissy fit behind closed doors and threatened to quit if those raises weren't given. I would probably walk out on that type of BULLYING BEHAVIOR too. It's just one example for my stance about the board during HMO's tenure. Each of you did some pretty questionable things, IMHO. I also know that at the start you all had the best of intentions. It happens to Greece BOE members all of the time. If you don't cave, you will be treated as an outcast.

Anonymous said...

Much like his ability to proof read his own material, Moscato's recollection of history is laughable. A Supt. starts throwing a fit, making threats, and he sticks around to hear her out?

Anonymous said...

WAY To GO Babsie
GCSD is ranked #38 in the region.
http://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/news/2014/06/05/rochester-area-school-district-rankings-in-2014.html?page=all
Even Hilton whupped your butt!
Insert applause here[]

Charlie Hubbard said...

There is nothing 'good' to come from any school board doing 'business' behind closed doors. The guidelines are very simple and straightforward. Nothing but 'bad' things happen when votes are taken in secret.

SCATS said...

To Charlie ~~ Just to be clear, the actual "vote" to approve the raises was taken in open session following that closed door meeting. Our current BOE discusses NOTHING in public.