Tuesday, June 24, 2014

Greece Police Duped By Teen


It's obvious from the outcome of yesterday's AMBERT ALERT that Greece Police were duped by a 16 yr. old girl, since the guidelines for issuing an Amber Alert include:
  • Reasonable belief by law enforcement that an abduction has occurred.
  • The law enforcement agency believes that the child is in imminent danger of serious bodily injury or death.
  • There is enough descriptive information about the victim and the abduction for law enforcement to issue an AMBER Alert to assist in the recovery of the child.
  • The abduction is of a child aged 17 years or younger.
  • The child’s name and other critical data elements, including the Child Abduction flag, have been entered into the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) system.
Today the question is: WHAT was this girl attempting to do?

Was she running away?
 
Is a romantic connection involved? 
 
Was it the result of a family dispute?
 
Will she be charged with additional crimes,
including falsely leading the cops to issue an Amber Alert?
 

41 comments:

Anonymous said...

Look who heads the criminal investigation unit!! Only promoted because his dad was a chief in Brighton. This could be a reality show starring him with emphasis on comedy. That's how incompetent this investigator is.

Anonymous said...

Criminal investigation has never been a strong part of the GPD. If it was they would have solved the 1978 death of 10 people at the Holiday Inn on Ridge Road.

Anonymous said...

Well.....While this was an assinine thing for this teenager to do, I think the Amber Alert may have been a good thing. She did steal a gun from her home and I would be concerned she could go into one of our schools and start shooting kids or perhaps kill herself. I guess i am not quick to blame the GPD on issuing the alert. But don't get me started on their other screw ups!

Anonymous said...

The fact is she did stage this with the bloody note and all.
What is relevant is her intent. Was it meant to cause her mother to to react and get her attention? Or, did she intend to cause the disruption in the law enforcement community.? Was she alone when found at the motel? All these questions must be answered as a result of the follow up investigation. If it is determined that she intended to create the situation that resulted, then she should be charged with a crime as an adult for falsely reporting an incident as an adult. Personally, I believe she is another product of a dysfunctional family and in need of professional help.


SCATS said...

To 6:59 & 7:31AM ~~ Here's my take on what's happened.

GPD NEVER dealt with an Amber Alert before ... and it shows! It has become rather apparent in listening to Me Chief and a couple of his underlings 'splainin what happened. They did NOT realize that the wording for an Amber Alert is a standardized message that states LAW ENFORCEMENT VERIFIES AN ABDUCTION HAS OCCURRED. They merely provide the details about the car, the kid's description, etc. that fill-in the blanks to a STANDARDIZED EMERGENCY ALERT MESSAGE.

Yesterday, incredulously, I heard Me Chief saying some nonsense about getting "the system fixed" so that other language could be used. I'm bettin' it's NOT gonna happen! The reason: an Amber Alert is intended only for situations where the following criteria are ALL met:
1 - must be under 17
2 - must be abducted!
3 - must be in imminent physical danger or facing death
See info here: http://www.amberalert.gov/guidelines.htm

Just as a student who leaves a note that there might be a bomb in a school, this girl caused a HUGE amount of resources to become focused upon her safety! That cost $$$$ !!! She should absolutely be charged with falsely reporting an incident ... and maybe GPD should also be charged similarly since they didn't seem to understand what an Amber Alert is all about.

To 7:31AM ~~ She was alone at the hotel. We already know that.

SCATS said...

To 6:16AM ~~ Or the Stephanie Oliva case ... or Nick Joseph's crash ... or waiting two days before looking for evidence after the 390 shooter first struck ...

Is there remedial training available?

Anonymous said...

In order to solve a crime, evidence of a crime must be present . The fire you refer to did not fit that classification. Thus, no crime to solve.

Anonymous said...

Who the heck is Jared Rene? Since when did he become the official spokesperson for GPD? This shows the inconsistency when they have so many public information officers.

SCATS said...

To 10:43AM ~~ My thought exactly!

SCATS said...

To 9:58AM ~~ We don't know that yet, remember?

Anonymous said...

Huh! I don't remember what? Your statement is confusing.
Remember, it was and still is classified as a crime. Evidence? None exists accept for pure speculation by those in charge at the time.

SCATS said...

To 2:39PM ~~ Actually, it is classified as an ARSON

Evidence was sent for "one final test" to some lab down south AND the firehouse was searched for additional evidence which was taken last October.

The only folks who seem "confused" by any of it are part of BP's clan and circle of pals.

Anonymous said...

In one of the news programs, it was reported that the NYS Police, based on local evidence, called in for the Amber Alert. This would make sense to help ensure consistency through out the state, rather than leaave it up to individual police departments.

SCATS said...

To 6:54PM ~~ If I understand correctly, that is a procedural requirement, but it's based upon (supposedly) a confirmed abduction of a minor.

An issue brought up on another thread needs to be addressed. How can it be that the cops arrived at the home shortly after 10AM, but the alert wasn't activated until several hours later??

Anonymous said...

NYS police would not have become involved unless invited by GPD to do so.

SCATS said...

To 7:29PM ~~ When I said it's a procedural requirement, I was referring to how an Amber Alert is issued. I think only the State Police can issue one, BUT it's based on a local agency's investigation of the details. When I get time, I'll try to look that up again.

Anonymous said...

Aside from the reasons for what qualifies as or why/when they sent the amber alert, my question is what do you feel is the correct punishment for her? I can see being released to her mothers custody and the tracking device and curfew, if she has no prior arrests. My thought is she will get nothing more than a slap on the wrist when she faces the judge (today I believe?). Perhaps community service and mandatory counseling. I've heard others say she should make a public apology and I agree. She caused a lot of people to worry about her as well as the safety of their own kids because at the time, no one knew details. Was there a kidnapper out there seeking out teenage girls? No, of course we found out there wasn't. But when that amber alert went out and a vehicle description was given lots of moms I know feared for not only this girl, but their own daughters who might've been at home alone that day. Yes, I think she should make a public apology. She worried the public, she should apologize to the public. And obviously there should be counseling for her and her family.

SCATS said...

To 6:37AM ~~ Suitable punishment for her would be multi-faceted and lengthy. A public apology delivered both vocally & in print with her signature would be a good start. It should include an explanation of what she hoped to do. Ongoing therapy is a given. I agree she will be treated with kid gloves by Schiano in court today.

I think community service at The Center for Missing & Exploited Children would be a nice touch. Maybe a one-on-one chat with Brittanee Drexel's mom would get her attention.

Personally, she appears to me to be a spoiled brat. I say that based upon watching her body language on the news, coupled with her questioning the judge about how long she will be on curfew/house arrest for.

Anonymous said...

Ohhh Scats, I missed that. I didn't see her on TV. She actually had the audacity to ask the judge how long she'd have a curfew and be on house arrest? OMG! I stopped short of calling her a brat, but if that was her reaction, then I can think of stronger words I'd use! And I agree, community service at the center would be excellent. A chat with the parent of a missing daughter, or a any missing child, or the parent of an abducted murdered child. I can't even begin to fathom that kind of pain and pray I never have to experience it. This girl however, needs to understand in no uncertain terms how she mocked (maybe not the correct wording here but all I can think of at the moment) the system put in place to try to prevent such tragedies.

Shameful. I haven't heard what her reasoning was for what she did, but she should be ashamed of herself.

SCATS said...

To 10:26AM ~~ I hadn't heard her reasons either. I suspect a tiff with mom caused her to revolt & bolt.

As for the Amber Alert, I blame Greece PD! They should NEVER have issued that! I don't think it was a possibility on the register for this girl. In reality, it should NOT have been on the radar of the cops either. THEY BLEW IT!

Anonymous said...

These so called investigators have been PUNKED. They need to go back to police academy. And the 16 year old needs to stop being allowed to watch CSI.

Anonymous said...

You always blame GPD!! The fact is, a child, car and gun were missing from the same home, the girl was found safe and unharmed.

SCATS said...

To 10:54PM ~~ I'm not alone. Look at 8:20PM's remark.

It's also a FACT that this situation did NOT rise to the level warranting an Amber Alert!

That's something GPD should have known, but didn't.

Anonymous said...

Look, in the long run necessary or not it proved one thing THE SYSTEM WORKS, that's what we should take away from this incident. Only the SP's can issue the alert.

Anonymous said...

No but it worked and she was found in a very short amount of time with no negative outcome. I think it worked really well for all concerned! Especially considering that a firearm is involved!!!

Anonymous said...

Who exactly at GPD made the decision to call for an amber alert? Inquiring minds want to know. Was it an investigator? Was it the chief?

SCATS said...

To 4:37PM ~~ So now we know the system works. AT WHAT COST??

BTW, we already discussed about the SP's role.

To 4:57PM ~~ "No negative outcome"??? WTH did THAT come from? Even Phelan stated that untold resources were TIED UP ON THIS GIRL. Who knows what things happened because cops weren't able to respond to other calls. AND no one knows the actual dollar cost, but it was certainly very high.

To 6:23PM ~~ I'm sure that decision is a well protected secret at this point in time. I'm betting on Me Chief.

Anonymous said...

Scats I wonder if the COST would be an issue if one of your children were involved? Stop being so negative for God sakes. We should be thankful that our people were on the job and the out come did not have tragic results.

SCATS said...

To 10:34AM ~~ Oh! I get it!! I am thankful they bungled it so the outcome could never have been tragic, as was thought originally.

Anonymous said...

Bungled, in what why scats?It would appear to me that this determination is an expression of your opinion and not necessarily the facts involved in this event.An opinion you are certainly entitled to. Why not respect the opinions of others as well. It would only seem fair.

SCATS said...

To 1:34PM ~~ Have you read ANY of the discussion??

It was BUNGLED in that it NEVER EVER SHOULD HAVE BECOME AN AMBER ALERT!

It did NOT meet the criteria for calling an Amber Alert!

The cops did NOT VERIFY that an abduction took place, as they are REQUIRED to do!

Even Me Chief admitted it to media when questioned!

He also stated they were UNAWARE of (it means "in the dark" or "uneducated about") the STANDARD WORDING USED whenever an Ambert Alert is called!

This is NOT my opinion, it IS THE WAY AN AMBER ALERT WORKS!

Anonymous said...

OK so let's call it a lesson learned and a resulting ". Training exercise .No harm done and better prepared should another situation of this nature happens. Now everyone involved know the correct procedure I believe that's a good thing, don't you?
Certainly a substantial amount of departmental resources where expended. However, unless these resources included calling in off duty personnel or overtime , no additional costs where expended, I don't know that to be A fact, do you?
Not knowing the procedures that kicked in at the time of the alert, I suspect it was handled as an ALERT at which time
all on duty officers were made aware of all details and told to be on the ALERT for suspect vehicle. I doubt seriously that the PD was paralyzed to the point of directing all resources to the alert and did not nor were unable to respond to service calls especially in cases of emergencies.
Were mistakes made,of course . But through mistakes lessons are learned so should this happen in the future, the PD will be better prepared and aware of the criteria necessary to initiate the necessary alert. I see no problem. The only problem was the brat that started the mess in the first place and now will also learn a lesson when dealt with by the proper authorities.
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SCATS said...

To 2:12PM ~~ If you have read this BLOG for any length of time, then you know I'm all about PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY, especially as relates to our taxpayer funded employees.

Yes, this certainly was a "lesson learned." A VERY $$ lesson, too, as indicated by Phelan! Phelan stated that a HUGE amount of "resources" went into this search. It was not just GPD! Did you see the video of ALL THE COPS STANDING AROUND IN THE GARAGE OF THIS GIRL'S HOME?? The cops were called there around 10AM. The Amber Alert was put out HOURS later. That's a VERY IMPORTANT LITTLE DETAIL GPD NEEDS TO EXPLAIN. Why the LONG delay & then an alert that NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN MADE??

In addition to GPD, there were NY State police & Sheriff's employees. I don't know if the FBI was called or not.

Yes, I agree the "brat" should be held accountable for her role. However, CALLING FOR AN AMBER ALERT IS SOLELY ON GPD'S RECORD, not hers! Simply because calling that alert was GPD'S MISTAKE. THEY NEED TO OWN IT.

Anonymous said...

OK. Let's say they own it, what ever that means. My Question ? SO WHAT? Maybe be we should fire the whole department, , the sheriff deputies, the state cops, and the FBI .Would that satisfy your quest for accountability ?

Anonymous said...

What is an AMBER alert?

An AMBER Alert is a rapid notification system to alert the public and solicit their assistance when a child has been abducted and is facing grave danger. The U.S. Department of Justice recommends the following criteria for issuing an AMBER Alert: 1) There is REASONABLE BELIEF by law enforcement an abduction has occurred; 2) The abduction is of a child age 17 years or younger; 3) The law-enforcement agency believes the child is in imminent danger of serious bodily injury or death; 4) There is enough descriptive information about the victim and abduction for law enforcement to issue an AMBER Alert to assist in the recovery of the child. Source: missingkids.com

SCATS said...

To 10:35AM ~~ You need to try to catch up! That is the wording used to "define" it online, but the wording used when an Amber Alert is sent out states there has been a "verified abduction." After-the-fact, Phelan was on the news quibbling with media about how he didn't say it was "verified" and that "just because the word adbuction was used" shouldn't cause people to jump to conclusions. Worse yet, he actually spoke about looking into getting the system changed so the wording could be different! To me, THOSE things together show GPD had NO clue what they were doing.

Back to your quotes: "... a rapid notification system..."
WHY DID IT TAKE GPD FROM APPROX. 10AM until mid-afternoon to DECIDE TO ISSUE an alert if they truly believed she was in "imminent danger"???

So far, NO ONE has offered any reason for that.

Anonymous said...

Could it be possible that initially there was some doubt in the minds of the investigators that this was for real. If that were the case ,when in doubt, why not Er on the side if caution and issue the alert. As I make this comment, I'm sure the same second guessers on this site would be all over the cops if in fact she was in danger and the cops decided she wasn't and the worst case scenario takes place and she turned up in a shallow grave and no alert was declared.Under the circumstances, I believe they took the proper action given the facts in hand at the time.
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Anonymous said...

I would start by demoting the so called investigative unit. They clearly haven't got a clue. I too saw the photo of all of the crew laughing. They didn't look too concerned about a missing 16 year old. That photo is despicable and shows a total lack of professionalism. But then again, GPD investigators have never been able to properly investigate. At one time a so called investigator told a crime victim to stop bothering HIM. The DA actually ended up pressing criminal charges with regard to the issue that our investigator could not be bothered with.

SCATS said...

To 3:27PM ~~ Based upon all that was said and done, it appears there WAS DOUBT THROUGHOUT the entire debacle! Thus my position that an Amber Alert never shoulda been called.

To 6:25PM ~~ Add to that Me Chief's inability to totally stifle his smile while being grilled about issuining the alert. What a bunch of wannabees.

Anonymous said...

Once again SCATS, you hate the schools, you hate the GPD, you dislike just about everything about this town.. my only advice to you is MOVE!! I know you wont post this, but youll see it, and thats enough for me. P.S. just because you type words in caps, that doesnt make you right. For someone whos so concerned about proper grammer, id think you would find it as annoying as everyone else does. Adults dont like to be scolded. JS :)

SCATS said...

To "JS" @4:18PM ~~ Long ago, we explained that moving is NOT an option. Changing the status quo is the goal. We'll keep on until it's achieved :D