Monday, June 23, 2014

At A Parent's Request ...


I've been asked to have readers weigh-in on which middle school a parent should choose to send her child to.

What are the PROS & CONS of
Athena MS & Arcadia MS?
 
What are the PROS & CONS of
Odyssey MS & Olympia MS?

15 comments:

Anonymous said...

Great question! I'm interested in hearing what others have to say.

IF we still live in Greece when my child gets to middle school, we are in the Arcadia area and that is where my child will go because I've heard more good things about Arcadia than other middle/high schools.

I know that no one in the GCSD verifies addresses/residency in Greece. There really needs to be something done about that..... Ahem, anyway...with any luck, our house will be sold and we will be OUTTA here!

Anonymous said...

Probably depends on the child. I would have guessed Athena, but we had friends of ours pull their son from there this year and decided to home school. The Mom said the number of incidents (fights, lock downs, etc) made him nervous. I'm not saying his worries were justified, just telling you what they told me.

Personally, we moved from the district just prior to our oldest starting middle school. The schools were the biggest reason. It seemed to us, from info we looked up, like the student results in Greece seem to start tanking right around junior high. I was puzzled by how a good student body/good students/decent test scores k-5, turns into poor performing 6-12.

SCATS said...

To 8:21AM ~~ Any child who is already anxious about fights and other civil unrest in the schools probably ought to avoid Olympia then. In the past, Odyssey was a safe haven with their much smaller grade level sizes and additional time supervised by teachers (lunches in the classroom). With all of these kids attending Greece illegally, things have really gone downhill, especially at Olympia.

Anonymous said...

We've moved from the district, almost entirely because of the schools. Having said that my initial thought would have been Athena. However, we ran into old friends of ours at a little league game recently, and the Mom explained that she pulled her 6th grader from Athena and opted for home schooling. She said the drama (fights, lockdowns, etc.) had her son constantly on edge about going in each day. I'm not saying his anxiety was warrented, just telling you what she told me.

We made the decision to get out of the district before our oldest started middle school. There was a puzzling statistical trend in Greece where kids that have done well k-5 suddenly implode 6-12. Or at least the statistics I found back then led me to believe it to be true. We didn't want to find out how or why this happens, so we jumped out. Had we been accepted to Athena (put toward bottom of waiting list), I don't know if we would have stayed. As it turned out, Arcadia would have been our neighborhood middle school. Frankly, I just got so sick of all the kids in our former neighborhood getting bussed out to different schools each morning. It made me sad that although these kids lived so close to each other, they really didn't do much together.

Anonymous said...

Oh, you must have started posting late. Please feel free to cancel my last submission. It reads pretty much the same as mine at 8:21. I thought there was a glitch so I rewrote it.

SCATS said...

To 10:52AM ~~ I've heard from quite a number of parents over the last 3-5 years that they pulled out of GCSD. A number of others decided on the homeschooling route, too.

As for the downturn at middle school, I suspect that Greece experiences an ONSLAUGHT of city students coming here starting around 6th grade or so. The reason: to escape RCSD and the quagmire of eductional atrocities foisted upon their residents. Of course that influx adversely impacts our own students. Worse yet, our BOE is filled with cowards who FAIL TO DISLODGE those who illegally attend GCSD. It's a sad and a BAD situation for all.

SCATS said...

To 10:54AM ~~ Yup, got a late start going today ... and a huge number of comments and email. I'm leaving both comments, since they state things a bit differently in each. TY.

Anonymous said...

Scats, the states Homeless Child designation is complex and as any laws, subject to interpretation.
After reading the Act, it seems clear that a homeless designation requires that the child has no permanent over night sleeping accommodations for a number of defined reasons. As far as the school district in which he is entitled to a "free " education seems to be broken down into two distinct designation. , District of origin and district of current residence
As it pertains to the problems confronting any district of residence, is a requirement of proof that the child is actually lodged overnight in the district of current residence
It then follows that those attending Greece Schools do not sleep overnight in the GCSD, but in reality, the District of origin. Ie City school district. These are illegals and can be denied the homeless label and expelled from the District of CURRENT residence, Greece.
Unfortunately, it appears that it is incumbent on GCSD as the district of current residence, to prove thru time consuming and considerable
resources investigation that the child still resides OVERNIGHT in his district if origin.
I believe at one time we hired a private investigator to conduct these investigations with limited success.I do not believe the district is doing so anymore.
As far as the board goes, they have the ability to direct the Superintendent to deal with the problem. However, I am of the opinion that the district has chosen to take the easy way out and just educate these kids rather than weed out the illegals which by and large are responsible for the increased violence in our schools. Bad mistake by all involved that eventually will come back to haunt them in the future

Anonymous said...

We moved from Rochester to Greece a few years ago.. At the time when we were considering where to move, an acquaintance spoke highly of Greece schools and I didn't know any better. In all honesty, I was MUCH happier with the RCSD school my child attended! The caring teachers, the friendly staff, the approachable principal, the district offices ALWAYS answering my calls and setting up appointments promptly. I cannot say the same about the GCSD. Sadly, the statistics don't lie and I know we did the right thing getting out of the RCSD, but if I could do it over again, we would not have moved to Greece and absolutely hate the way we've been treated here by those *in charge*. I do however have nothing but good things to say about my child's teacher this past year. There are great teachers in every district, we've been lucky to find several of them in the RCSD and ONE here in the GCSD. I do not intend stay in Greece for middle/high school though and are looking elsewhere.

SCATS said...

To 2:08PM ~~ GCSD has given up which is easy to do considering they get State Aid for every student, "legal" or otherwise. Sadly, they have allowed this district to go down the toilet. It is my understanding that other districts, like Rush-Henrietta have very successfully combatted the issue. Our overpaid do nothing administrators have ruined GCSD.

To 2:14PM ~~ Many have reported & done likewise. Spencerport and east side schools seem to be preferred escapes.

Anonymous said...

Read up on the McKinney-Vento act and see how easy it is to be considered homeless and how difficult it is (and probably costly too) for a school district to contest or dispute a student who claims that they're homeless. All it takes is for a student to sleep over at a relatives house in another district and state that they had to move out of their parents house due to loss of housing, economic hardship or other similar reason.

SCATS said...

To 3:26PM ~~ I find it MOST odd that Greece is HELPLESS when it comes to homeless kids, BUT other districts SUCCESSFULLY fight against the onslaught as admitted to by one Greece BOE member!

I do NOT believe GCSD cares about the quality of education they deliver nor the cost to the residents ... unlike certain other better performing schools. GCSD loves to play victim!

Anonymous said...

Perform a statistical analysis on inner ring Districts using the grad rates published just today. Extrapolate the housing costs into the analysis on a 4 quadrant basis, using housing cost data for purchase, rent, and subsidized housing. I think you will quickly see that the exodus from RCSD into the west, north, and southern districts is far more readily obtained by the scu* than into those east side communities with better grad rates.
It's easy to pander to raw numbers than analyze what those numbers truly mean.
The bigger question for me is why the Town has allowed property values to sink to an area that allows the exodus of below mean earners to live in this community, while being subsidized by politicians who intend to exploit those of us who work hard for a living!

Anonymous said...

Just saw an article posted to the D&C web site that says several families will be suing regarding teacher tenure in NYS. Can't wait to hear the arguments. I would love to have a job for life after only 3 yrs on the job! Giving teachers a job for life is educational malpractice! it protects the adults over the children the system is supposed to serve.

SCATS said...

To 7:14AM ~~ I'd love to see some Greece parents join that group. It just might get the union's attention.