Wednesday, May 07, 2014

The 'Good' ... The 'Bad' ... The 'Ugly' ...



The 'Good' ... The Greece Central School District wants you to believe that a "YES" vote on their budget will result in a slightly lowered tax rate. (Alternatively, they want you to think a "NO" vote will cause higher taxes, which is NOT true!)

The 'Bad' ... The Greece Central School District is also seeking to buy 33 new buses at a cost of almost $3 million. This proposition will be voted on along with their budget, so if this portion passes, any "savings" on the tax rate will be kissed goodbye!

The 'Ugly' ... The Town of Greece raised assessments, so no matter how you vote on the Greece School budget & proposition, you're screwed!

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

The state requires the town to have an assessment every three years. With over 30,000 parcels some are bound to go up some will remain the same and some will go down. So the statement that Greece is raising assessments is false.
If you understood how it works you would also realize if 100% of the property's assessments went down 10% in value your tax rate would have to increase to make up the loss of revenue. Your assessed value is only one denominator out of three that detimine how much you pay.

SCATS said...

To 10:37AM ~~ A recent news item (D&C maybe, I don't recall) listed several localities and showed that reassessments are done at varying points, some only every 5 years. So I don't know where your "every 3 year" figure came from.

As for the FACT that Greece is raising assessments, I quoted the Greece Central School District who alleges that in their own propaganda. They should know, right??? ;)

Charlie Hubbard said...

The vote is for one thing and one thing only - SPENDING. If the proposal is for an increase of say $3 million the tax payers will pay $3 million more in taxes and or fees - it may not be all in 'property taxes' but we will pay.
What part does the board control? SPENDING! Anyone heard 'why' an increase in SPENDING is necessary? There are only 3or4 items that drive the budget higher - heard what they are?
The Greece Post had an article by the president of the Hilton SB raving about no tax increase - not one word about the cost of the budget. It's like buying a used car based on the salesman telling you what the monthly payments are and not knowing what the true cost is.
Bottom line, just tell us the proposed increase in spending and why the increase is wanted. THAT is what we vote on - period. Leave the 'con' to the used car salesmen.

SCATS said...

TY Charlie!

BTW 10:43AM ... have you EVER heard of the overall value of the properties in Greece going down as a result of a reassessment??? OF COURSE NOT!

SCATS said...

Residents of the Greece Central School District will have a lower tax rate this year if their proposed school budget passes.

The proposed tax rate would be 0.5 percent lower than last year because property values have increased in the district."


http://www.13wham.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/greece-residents-facing-lower-tax-rate-11709.shtml

Anonymous said...

Charlie, get a copy of the budget then compare it with a copy of last years spending plan otherwise known as a budget on line item by line item comparison. The increase costs in spending to provide the same level of services year to year would be readily seen by such an analysis, Some of these numbers will be estimates others are fixed and thereby known such as employee salaries etc.Other items increase due rising costs of materials such as the cost of fuel .
I think what really needs to be justified is why we must spend to buy 33 buses while still maintains 200 or so to bus less than 12 k students down from 15k a while back when it was done at the time with 165 buses. That will never add up in my mind or ever make sense.if any part of the spending plan needs to be vetted by the district, that one is outstanding in my opinion. I will never vote to buy more buses until this district rids it's self of the mindless amount of unnecessary busing that they are presently engaged in doing.

SCATS said...

To 1:59PM ~~ Regarding your budget-to-budget cost comparison ... you seem to ignore the fact that REDUCED ENROLLMENTS SHOULD CREATE SOME BUDGET REDUCTIONS, too! We're still employing almost the same number of teachers as we were when we had those 15,000 students. Do me a favor, don't blame it on Special Ed. Greece needs to get off their collective arses and OUST the thieves of our educational services. It will positively impact both the budget AND the bussing.

Anonymous said...

I heard a stat today that says there is a 143% increase in homeless students coming to school in Greece. If homeless students need to come to Greece from the city for education, where do the City students go to school who are living at the same address as those homeless students?

Charlie Hubbard said...

1:59
Where do you plan to get answers to your questions?
What publication put out by the district would I find the budget figures I was asking about?

Anonymous said...

As far as purchasing buses, you neglect to say that the district gets REIMBURSED, from the state, a percentage of the cost for the buses. So if they truly are spending 3 million on new buses, then they will get a large percentage of that money back!!!! So the question is, WHAT ARE THEY DOING WITH THE REIMBURSEMENT MONEY???? Also, the Dept. of Transportation dictates to the district how long/mileage a bus will be allowed in service. Once a bus reaches that milestone, the DOT pulls that bus from service and the DOT does not care if there is not one to replace it. So don't start your boo hooing about spending money on buses, because we don't want to hear it any more!

SCATS said...

To 8:14PM ~~ They are taking at least some of the funds from reserve funds, is my understanding. When the money gets "reimbursed" it goes into the General Fund. From there, they can do anything they want to with it. In reality, it's like getting an extra $2.X million to use without oversight.

If you were correct about the DOT dictating to the district, then they wouldn't be talking about the different mileages and ages of the vehicles they want to replace, would they?

Anonymous said...

Yes SCATS, school buses are only allowed X amount of miles on them. This criteria is set by the Dept. of Transportation not the district. For example, you could have a school bus with 200k miles and was manufactured in 2005 verses a bus with 200k miles and manufactured in 2010. Yes one is newer than the other but it is the mileage that will determine it's service life. So the tax payer needs to understand that the decision to purchase buses comes out of necessity not want.

SCATS said...

To 10:36AM ~~ Interesting in that I don't believe I've EVER heard anyone in the board room state that. However, they do seem to alternate between talking about the age & the mileage. Anything to confuzzle people, I guess.

As for "necessity" I disagree that we are facing that when we used to transport MANY MORE STUDENTS WITH MANY FEWER BUSES.