Friday, May 16, 2014

More Cars Targeted On Local Expressways



WHEC-TV reports: "Monroe County Sheriff’s Deputies, along with Greece Police, State Police and the FBI, are investigating two incidents of vehicles damaged while driving on I-490.

Sheriff’s deputies say the two incidents happened around 11:00 p.m. Wednesday on Route 490 westbound in the area of the CSX railroad overpass near Mt. Read Blvd. Investigators believe the vehicles were damaged by a combination of BB’s and rock debris.

This is the third and fourth incident of its kind in recent weeks. Earlier this month, a driver says his truck was hit by a bullet on 390 in Gates and another driver said their car was hit by a bullet on 390 in Gates.

SCATS ~~ When did 490 become part of the jurisdiction of the Greece Police Dept??
  

38 comments:

Anonymous said...

To find similarities.

Anonymous said...

BB's, lead, copper, other raw metals, or just another PD assumption that something we haven't been able to prove yet, is occurring based on the terrible drivers of Rochester reports?
"Oops, I was following too close, something struck my vehicle, and now I want insurance coverage because I drive way too aggressively?"
Again I ask where is the incontrovertible photo and forensic evidence?

Anonymous said...

Because of the fact that the first incident of this nature happened in Greece and the similarity involved in the following incidents in both locations and MO, good police work calls for Greece investigators to look for the possible emergence of a pattern that may parallel the Greece incident to see if there might be a connection . This is important to establish as it will help narrow the search for a possible suspect responsible for all three incidents.
Their involvement in the latest incident is nothing more than routine police work and sharing of interdepartmental information and cooperation . Just routine follow up investigating by the GPD.

SCATS said...

To 5:41 & 5:44PM ~~ Then why isn't Gates PD also working on the case??

To 5:44PM ~~ Show ME the "road debris"!!

To 6:32PM ~~ The only "similarity" is the fact that once again 48 hours passes BEFORE the investigation starts! For the record, that is NOT "good police work" ... quite the contrary.

Again, why isn't Gates PD participating? Wouldn't they also contribute to the "sharing of interdepartmental information and cooperation."

Anonymous said...

Why do you refuse to accept the obvious facts .? Why do you insist on interjecting a convoluted impression of what is taking place ? I suggest that you are in no position to make a judgement on what constitutes good and routine police work regarding investigations of a crime impacting the safety of the GENERAL public. I'm sure that Gates is also involved in the investigation, Just because the media failed to mention that does not preclude their involvement.
No controversy here except for attempts to create one.

Anonymous said...

Time Warner News reported just "local police" were helping out in the investigation, so Gates, Greece may both be involved looking for common threads to their own investigations.

SCATS said...

To 5:22AM ~~ Obvious facts, huh? It is an OBVIOUS FACT that no road debris has been found in ANY of the vehicles. It is an OBVIOUS FACT that the cops must believe there is the possibility someone with a gun is out there taking shots, or they would tell us there is NO REASON TO WORRY.

WHAT is "convoluted" about my previous comment? Do you even understand what that big word means?

You say you are SURE that Gates PD is involved, then show us evidence of that "obvious fact" please. I won't hold my breath.

To 11:01AM ~~ Actually that's NOT what the news item on their website states. It says: "Troopers, sheriff's deputies, local police, and the FBI are still investigating."

http://rochester.twcnews.com/content/news/740805/police-investigate-damage-done-to-two-vehicles-traveling-on-490/#sthash.NgZIWeAL.dpuf

Anonymous said...

Police departments routinely withhold info from the public. It's necessary to do so in a lot of cases. That's the way many crimes are solved, example: a suspect is being interviewed and let's something slip about the crime that was not reported to the public. Could be the case here.

SCATS said...

To 12:24PM ~~ I'm not sure what you intend to convey by this, but I'm pretty sure that if they had evidence it was merely "road debris" accidentally churned up by a tire they would have told us ... unless they think it was launched purposely at specific vehicles by one or more people.

Anonymous said...

Scats, give it up, please. You are over your head on this one. Not one comment in support of your efforts to second guess those in the know. You are definitely not in their class. Show some humility here and admit this thread was a poor choice as a controversial topic.all you know is what you have seen on TV, hardly a reliable source as to what is reality.

Anonymous said...

My choice of words was exactly what I meant to convey when addressing your twisted, hard to swallow remarks about the subject of your thread. Save the grammar remarks for some one other than myself.
I have a gut feeling that you will not post the above comments anyway so why not add the following just so you understand my use of that word.
Convoluted is what aptly describes the mission as well as one's attempt to understand and accept the meaning and intended purpose of this blog.

SCATS said...

To 3:50PM ~~ So far, no one has shown that they "know" anything more than what I posted. As for the number of comments in support - since when does THAT mean anything in Greece? If only 50 people show up to vote on Tuesday, does it mean the thousands who did not agree with the outcome?

To 4:15PM ~~ Regarding your "gut feeling" ~~ Once again, it was merely excessive gas ;)

Anonymous said...

I don't understand. Why do you feel that as curator of this blog , you are entitled to more than the rest of us when it comes to an ongoing police investigation?
You, as it is with the rest of us in the general population, will be informed on a need to know basis as the investigation continues. At least that's my understanding of the situation according to media sources.
I for one am thankful that so many law enforcement agencies are working together on our behalf on this investigation before it escalates into a deadly incident.

Anonymous said...

Not only do you have a masters in education; you are also a law school graduate.

Anonymous said...

Whoa, I was the original 12:24 commenter. I don't know why the 4:15 commenter, who isn't me the 12:24 commenter, chose to reply to your reply to my comment. LOL. In any case, I was just suggesting there could be something the police found that warrants further investigation, but they are not releasing all the details yet. I'm not disputing you or anyone else here, I'm just commenting. Not conveying anything, but simply commenting on the story. That's all.

SCATS said...

To 6:08PM ~~ I never said I was entitled to know more than the rest of you.

As for media sources, many of us discovered just this week that for TWO YEARS they told us that girl at SUNY Brockport was murdered with a curling iron, but it was actually a clothing iron.

How do you know the police are capable of keeping it from becoming deadly? I know quite a few people already think that a life was lost when that fellow hit the garbage truck on 104 a couple weeks ago. They NEVER TOLD US WHAT CAUSED THAT ACCIDENT ;)

To 7:08PM ~~ In my spare time, I also roam throughout the mountains of West Virginia treating indigent families for a variety of maladies, birthing babies and curing the incurable ...

To 8:26PM ~~ I'm sorry that you've suffered because others on here FAIL TO READ FOR MEANING. TY for the input.

Anonymous said...

1:24 I strongly suggest that you read for content yourself regarding your suggestion that my comment was in response to your remarks. I read your remark and I basically agreed with your rationale,
The target of my remarks was the rebuttal comments made by scats to my 6:32, 5:22',3:50,4:15 remarks. They had absolutely nothing to do with yours in anyway shape or form. Take another look , if you will, and see what I'm saying.

Anonymous said...

Scats, I was the 11:01 poster about the TW News statement that "local police" were assisting the FBI and State Police. I took that to man that Greece, Gates and Rochester Police might all be involved because of similar incidents in their jurisdictions. I should have been clearer in my interpretation.

SCATS said...

To 6:45AM ~~ I'm glad to know that I'm not alone in my struggle to understand your rants. Perhaps you should tone down your emotions and ramp up on clarity. All of us will benefit.

To 7:39AM ~~ Sometimes the broadcast media writes one thing on the web, and speaks another into the mic. The other news items did specify Greece PD. I guess it keeps us on our toes ;)

Anonymous said...

To 6:32, 5:22, 3:50, 4:15 and 6:45. What is wrong with having a thread that alerts people that there are more attacks on vehicles from a higher place? And since the media left Gates out of the mix we have the right to question that. Is it an omission on the part of the media and Gates was part of the most recent incident investigation of 490 at the CSX ? Or was the media accurate and did Gates pass maybe since their supervisor is on the record as saying the 390 at the Buffalo Rd overpass incident of May 1st was due to debris unaided by human hand? He even went further to let us know the serious condition of our bridges in general.
And in general the police and law enforcement don't need your helicopter parenting. This is America and we are allowed to ask questions and have opinions. Are the police so timid that they can't handle the questions proposed by this thread?

Anonymous said...

Your characterization of rants reflect your irritation with comments that challenge your ability to understand the subject matter of your own creation of this topic, As I said before a bias , twisted attempt to sling mud at local law enforcement operations t o suit your particular thought process in this area which are mostly negative in tone and application.
Nothing new here at all.
Fortunately , your approach and obvious animus directed at our PD. Reflect the minority attitude of the few who share your contempt for the men and women of our PD in this town as a whole.

SCATS said...

To 1:17PM ~~ According to 1:42PM, asking questions about Greece police shows we are "irritated" and respond with "animus" and "contempt" even if it is the media we're questioning.

To 1:42PM ~~ When it comes to "animus" & "contempt" it appears you've got TONS OF EXPERIENCE under your own belt. WHY bother reading this BLOG if it raises your BP so much?

As for ranting, your most recent comment is EXACTLY THAT!

Rant - "To scold vehemently" ...

SCATS said...

BTW 1:42PM ~~ The MAJORITY believe that asking questions equates to neither "negativity" nor "mud slinging" EXCEPT when viewed through your own PERSONALLY BIASED lens ;)

Anonymous said...

Scat's...
Road debris will typically not penetrate autoglass and imbed as evidence, such is the fabrication process of that windshield safety glass - the plastic inner layer is substantial protection - ask any first responder who has to extricate.
Therefore it is a reasonable assumption that if a shooter was involved, ballistic evidence would show remnants of a projectile or road debris. Yet neither has been reported nor shown as evidence. As I assert, road debris would deflect and no evidence would be found. How would any investigator find impact evidence on the massive quantity of crap lying on the side of the road?
And lastly, to suggest that the 104 accident involving the garbage truck is even remotely associated is ludicrous. It borders on inciting panic where none could possibly exist. All purported shootings have occurred on expressways. What possible evidence, even circumstantial, would you cite to relate these events? The relative distances and eye witness accounts don't even begin to substantiate your claim!

SCATS said...

To 4:20PM ~~ TY for your explanation about auto glass. The question remains though, WHY so many incidents of "road debris" damage clustered so closely together only where there are underpasses? It seems a stretch to attribute them all to road debris when the DRIVERS SAY THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE SHOT AT. Why a lag of a few weeks and now more reports with TWO IN THE SAME NIGHT, SAME LOCATION??

Regarding the tragic accident on 104, it is NOT my "suggestion" at all! As I've stated several times, there are lots of folks who made that connection on their own. I can't rule it out because 1 - the cops never told us WHAT caused the accident and 2 - unlike your contention, the accident location is barely a stone's throw (pun intended) from the first incident at 104 & 390!

Anonymous said...

4:20 The police (on Wed April 23rd after the report) were measuring the trajectory from the bridge of Ridge Rd 104 as it crosses 390 where the 1st reported attack was allegedly causing damage on April 21st around 5:30 pm. The driver of the pickup truck that crashed into the garbage truck on that Friday April 25th was traveling west on the bridge within yards of that location laterally and exactly that location vertically as he lost control and veered into the oncoming traffic. It is not "remotely" located. So a person shoots off that bridge or from the grass area at the side of 390 and hits a car traveling north on 390 on Monday April 21st. A person shoots and hits a truck right on the bridge on Friday April 25th and the pickup driver tragically loses control and crashes since maybe he was hit or stunned or injured because of a blast to his vehicle. We have never heard the determination of the cause of that loss of control. They don't want us to know just for the reason you stated. They think we will panic.
There are many unanswered questions around this rash of vehicle attacks. We are taking our chances as we travel since this is dangerous and it seems it is not stopping. Maybe it is the same person doing all of these since they seem to be west side. Or maybe there are copycats. Or maybe it is all just a coincidence and even though this happens in other cities due to a serial sociopath it is only road debris here in Monroe county since we have no sociopaths. In that case we better fix our bridges.

SCATS said...

To 7:19AM ~~ TY!! Well stated.

BTW 4:20PM and any other naysayers, you should take your remarks to Reilch himself since he said he does NOT suggest driving 390 ;)

Anonymous said...

To 7:19
Nice obfuscation.
So laterally and vertically describe that a vehicle travelling west on 104 was hit by a sniper firing south on 390 from the bridge? Or is your contention that the sniper fired south on 390, hit this vehicle which was northbound on 390, and then damaged driver came up the ramp to a stoplight, exited right, travelled thru three more lights before crossing a median and then hit the garbage truck without striking any other vehicle - over what may be almost a mile?
Or do you suggest the ejected brass from the sniper rifle hit the vehicle as he was westbound on 104 with the sniper firing south down 390 at another vehicle, puncturing the windshield inflicting significant damage to the p/u driver which was fatal?
And BTW how do you investigate trajectory without firearm knowledge, ballistic info of ammunition, and weather conditions specific to the site at the time of incident. Methinks you know nothing about firearms while professing thru some magically imparted knowledge to have some inside info.
Sadly I think this is great media fodder. And all of you place way too much confidence in the ability of whatever entity you believe has it in for the drivers in Monroe County. It's more likely kids dropping crap off of bridges in a few cases and everyone else wanting media attention and insurance coverage for their own mistakes.
I.E. It's all blown out of proportion and conspiracy theorists always get the most press. Please if you can, explain the back window of a tractor trailer hit in any scenario any of which has been described. As I stated earlier, you all link it, but none can explain!!

SCATS said...

To 5:55PM ~~ You let all of this bother you WAY TOO MUCH! LMAO

Trajectory is a physics/geometry problem. You don't have to be a rocket scientist.

As for insurance coverage, it was stated on another link that MOST OF US HAVE FULL GLASS COVERAGE already!! SO, NOTHING TO GAIN THERE ;)

Why don't YOU explain the back window of the semi getting shattered with "road debris"???

Anonymous said...

5:55 Hold on. Chill. Nowhere did anyone imply that the sniper was darting around in a vehicle shooting. The police are treating this as a stationary attack. Then the person either watches or flees. Your inference (that makes it sound like citizens suspect that all of the attacks took place at the same time from a moving vehicle) sound like an attempt to confuse the issue and misrepresent what what stated.
Why are you so worried that people might think that there were many attacks and that the one on April 25th was included? Who are you trying to protect by excluding that unexplained tragedy from the spate of violence? The more you try to bully and confuse and protest, the more it looks like we are on the right track to be cautious. And I will repeat, the police were measuring the trajectory from the 104 bridge during their investigation on the 23rd of April. I don't need knowledge of ballistics to know that. The police we hope have that knowledge.
A story was on the news last night (May 20, 11pm channel 13) that talked about the last 2 attacks on 490 just west of Mount Read. These involved bb's. The story also made reference to 3 previous attacks in Greece, unknown bb's or bullet or debris. Since the 390 tractor trailer attack of May 1st was in the Gates area, where would you suggest the other 3 incidents in Greece were? Maybe you can include it in your action/adventure fiction that you were writing in your post.

SCATS said...

To 10:46AM ~~ Between the two of us and our pesky questions, I suspect the novelist will be doind a disappearing act. Typical ;)

Anonymous said...

Don't think so...
You have to prove by evidence that which you suggest I prove by lack thereof.
No vehicle reporting damage has trace or physical remnants from projectiles of any kind.
There is no credible scenario involving a shooter that could take out the back window of a tractor trailer from a fixed position at the Chili site! That means this one is from a moving shooter! That means two different abilities and in your world we now have a copycat? Prove that one!
Anyone trying to determine shooting angles and bullet drop by pointing a finger thru fencing on 104 overpass in a news story is only doing basics. We all saw that. Like Scats said physics, but you need lots of info to perform that experiment!
BB's... Wow, that is one awesome rifle to have that accuracy and energy. They are barely comparable to a .22 and still leave lead and copper residue on any puncture. And that Dewey ave vehicle still looks like a lot of collateral damage for a bb if you look at the molding on the after photo.

SCATS said...

To 6:02PM ~~ Apparently YOU ARE OUT OF THE LOOP with MCSO THEY DECLARED BB's the culprit in TWO INCIDENTS.

Today, we have yet another damaged vehicle. We also have news interviews with LOTS OF SCARED MOTORISTS! So SCATS is NOT alone in thinking this crime wave is at the hands of one or more who INTEND to cause damage, chaos and maybe harm.

You don't even do a very good job of pretending to be "inside the investigation" but TY for trying (sarcasm intended).

Anonymous said...

5:55 and 6:02 When you have a suspect you have to "prove by evidence" to make the charges stick. You have to have evidence and "incontrovertible proof" to quote your dad in that 9 by 16 story about the arson. But we don't have a suspect that is arrested and getting ready for trial. We have a series of crimes and the police agencies are trying to figure out what is happening. And I have no idea what you are talking about the "Dewey Ave vehicle". So far what we have been talking about are the incidents of 4/21,4/25,5/1, the 2 on 5/15 and what caused the young woman to cross into the oncoming traffic on the thruway 5/9. There have been unreported (by the media)incidents on the thruway near the Victor interchange. And I repeat we are not doing the investigation. The police are. And your sarcasm about the "awesome rifle" is insensitive since property has been damaged and people are terribly distracted while driving when the attack happens. And that distraction can be deadly. And the damage can injure occupants of the vehicles. And as scats has stated the investigators have disclosed that bb's were definitely involved with the incidents on 490 last week. Why would anyone want to belittle the concern of the public in a situation that involves deliberate attacks on moving vehicles?

Anonymous said...

To 8:18
Not a single suspect, but what must now be multiple suspects with different weapons at way too many different locations - dropped rocks? BB's? Rifles? Mobility? And again please explain how accidents are occurring at up to a mile from the purported impact?
My suspicion of this being crap is it stems from multiple unaligned facts that make no sense.
7:59 Scats attempts to diminish the above stated and my prior questions of reality by challenging my analysis of the facts. And to then insinuate that I am inside a police investigation, which I am not. My statements simply ask, "Where is the evidence?" No one has posted pictures of a vehicle hit by sniper fire. Where are the BB's? Or Bullets? If they exist why hasn't one of these vehicle owners offered up the proof? And why aren't there any reports of gunblasts for the rifle shots - as originally proposesd? And finally as I asked, what BB gun is capable of that accuracy, at the purported distances, by what kind of shooter under the weather conditions on those days, in those locations? Snipers, as proposed by you all, need cover, and there really is none where these incidents are being reported.

SCATS said...

To 6:14PM ~~ I'm not going to go through your most recent diatribe line by line yet again, BUT I will tell you that you NEED TO WATCH THE NEWS! Tonight a spokesperson for MCSO said they HAVE RECOVERED BB'S FROM TWO INCIDENTS. As for pictures, they have been posted, videotaped, etc. Just watch the news & you will see! In fact, today's incident so thoroughly SHATTERED THE WINDOW that barely a few shards remained in the door.

Anonymous said...

Again that's some awesome BB gun? Or wasn't it this time? The claim keeps changing, depending on which agency and victim is reporting. Show me the gun capable... Oops they, MCSO, hasn't. Maybe that's why Greece is being cautious. The damage and ability of the purported firearm or bb gun, and ammo escapes me.

SCATS said...

To 6:49PM ~~ Maybe you'll get to experience what the other victims have for yourself. Then you can give us your opinion based upon reality.