Monday, March 24, 2014

Back To Future??

 
The "New" Greece Police Chief Is ...
 
Patrick Phelan
 
SCATS ~~ Is ANYONE really surprised??
  

36 comments:

Anonymous said...

Favors called in by particular powers that be. Oh what a surprise here in the most political corrupt town in New York State!!! Have to wonder who else applied? And Baxter didn't look particularly happy at the press conference.

Anonymous said...

Wonder if the "Kiddie Patrol" (AKA: taking alcohol from minors for our own consumption), and free pizzas from a then well known city pizza place (whose then owners lived in the Town of Greece) will return under junior's watch?

Goodbye 2014, hello 1981!

Anonymous said...

Disappointing to say the least. The new broom seems to swept in the old dust

Anonymous said...

Why is it that it takes 4-5 years to clean things up and only a few minutes to make it smell again?

Anonymous said...

Good observation - Baxter wasn't behind the candidate that was picked. Neither were most at Town Hall. Except one...

Anonymous said...

God help the Town of Greece

Anonymous said...

Greece Gone Wild days are coming back. Thanks to Reilich. Happy.....Happy. ...Happy. We will once again be in the headlines for corruption.

Anonymous said...

If anyone thinks Baxter is really leaving on his own has their head in the sand.

Anonymous said...

Great move! Good man!

Anonymous said...

Baxter came in for alot of abuse on this site, but he will be missed. We wish the new chief all the best, and we hope that the town is well served by his appointment, but it was already well served by Baxter, even if the appreciation wasn't always apparent.

Anonymous said...

Will we go to a bid process on the new Police Yacht?
Is any command officer a boat salesman?

How long till GPD gets automatic weapons again?

Let the Piglet & Swine 2 jokes begin!

Anonymous said...

While my personal choice was Erhmacher, I think Relic made the politically correct choice. However, Patrick earned his shot at the job over the course of his career which is more than his father did.

His dad never achieved a higher rank than sargeant and even then it took an order from outgoing sheriff Skinner to get him that promotion over strong opposition from those in charge of the town in those days.

This event would later lead to his political appointment by Fred Eckert to the 3rd town PSC over Chief Jerry Paul. At this time there were two democrats on the board and they publically decried the costs relating to a paid PSC and A Chief and duplication of duties. The Riley board decided to eliminate the PSC in favor of aChief. But I order for this to happen, Jerry Paul stood in the way and Phelan would revert to the previous rank of sargeant. What to do to keep that from happening? Former supervisor Vince Tofany, who owed Phelan a favor suggested a plan. Create a captains position with same pay as chief and ask Paul to resign and take the captains position which he did. This cleared the way for the board majority to bestow the rank if chief on Phelan without benefit of a Civil service test which he never took as the Rank of Sargeant did not qualify him to ever write the exam . The rest is history and his exploits as chief have become apart if town lore

Patrick on the other had rose thru the ranks finally achieving the rank of Captain. Amuch different and proper path to the top job. How much did politics enter into this promotion we will never know

I think Patrick should be given a chance to prove himself without unfair comparisons with the job his father did. Then and only then will we be able to see just how far the apple fell from the tree in this instance,


Anonymous said...

When is Reilich's term up?

SCATS said...

To 2:42PM ~~ You've got 4 long years ahead ...

Anonymous said...

We're all hoping this acorn fell well far from it's tree. Facts are facts, alcoholism is genetic and therefore hereditary! Glad I'm not the next politician who'll be punched in the face! Anyone else notice our new chief is, nor ever was, in official uniform, nor properly armed as an Officer? And sadly the best choice stays second in command. My condolences Captain Urmacher, you are, and always will be the best!!!

Anonymous said...

This acorn is still hanging on the tree.

Anonymous said...

Does daddy have something on Reilich?

Anonymous said...

Scats you are wrong. It's actually 8 years
7:19 Unless you are in possession of facts that the elder Phelan was a diagnosed alcoholic, you have no business making that assessment .
The fact is he was never medically classified as such. To cover his true problem, town politicians labeled him as such to justify his accessive drinking and incidents that followed. This genetic crap does not hold water and in no way does it effect his off sping. Alcoholism is a classified disease and is acquired. A true alcoholic can never be cured . This is a life time affliction that can be retriggered by a victim taking as little as one drink to start the cycle all over again.
So for you to say that because his father had a drinking problem, his son is likewise genetically disposed is pure nonsense on your part .

SCATS said...

To 10:22AM ~~ Actually, I AM CORRECT :) It's right on the Town's website.

Regarding the genetics of alcoholism, you are wrong again in saying it's "crap", not surprising ;) According to the Betty Ford Center: "Genetic predisposition is probably the major — but not only — pathway to becoming alcoholic."

Anonymous said...

You people have to give this guy a break.
Patrick has accomplished a lot in his career, in spite of his father's reputation. He is extremely intelligent and a VERY good cop. He's passed all the civil service exams that led to his promotions. Let him do his job.

SCATS said...

To 1:18PM ~~ My only complaint about him is that he KEPT THE SILENCE during Rahn's reign of corruption. That goes straight to my ability to trust.

Anonymous said...

Scats When I said 8 yrs I was referring to his reelection in 4 yrs. You just didn't look that far ahead as I did.
Who cares what Betty Ford says. My point was and still is to the poster that I was responding to,had no evidence that Father Phelan was ever medically designated as an alcoholic acquired or inherited from all his Irish relatives.
I personally take exception to that characterization . I do like my beer and do get drunk at times and get into fights.Does that make me an alcoholic? No, just an occasional Drunk.

Anonymous said...

1:18 scats how can you comment on trusting someone who is out in the public getting abused on this site through no fault of their own as you sit anonymously taking cheap shots. Tell me your name and I would trust you much more. Lets see if you can hold up to the scrutiny you put others through.

SCATS said...

To 1:44PM ~~ I answered the question that was asked which was when is his term (current implied) up. It is up in 4 yrs. Of course he can run again.

YOU said it was "genetic crap" related to one's ability to become alcoholic SO I RESPONDED to that! If you don't want to broaden the topic, then don't bring up other issues ;)

There are FEW/NO memories among residents of Greece of other town officials having a few then getting nasty in public ... other than the person referred to above. If YOU drink too many "and get into fights" then you are not "an occasional Drunk" but a NASTY DRUNK!

SCATS said...

To 2:18PM ~~ I'm not getting paid on the taxpayer's dime, but he is.

If you think it's "abuse" to comment about my level of trust given A WELL KNOWN FACT, then you've got issues no one here can help.

SCATS said...

By the way, I'm still waiting for someone ... anyone ... to explain with logical supporting evidence why you would trust ANY GREECE COP WHO REFUSED TO BLOW THE WHISTLE ON RAHN & HIS GANG.

Anonymous said...

7:19 back...
To 1:44 - Are you only a mean drunk, or are you a politically connected mean drunk, or just another dolt who needs to drink to find a reason to fight? By my definition, if you drink for a reason to fight - then you ARE AN ALCOHOLIC and need help!!!

I made no reference to heritage...only by my experience and training in observation, I also offered nor intended any offense. I only stated the relevant facts and then hoped that in this case, a repeat episode is not in the offing!

The diagnosis of alcoholism is vague and nearly impossible, predisposition is proven to be borne out of nature and/or nurture!

To restate your position, "his excessive drinking and the incidents that followed were labeled as such by town politicians". What modern euphemism would you use to describe someone who regularly drank too much, got mean, assaulted others, can't remember, pleads "Oh crap, I just don't know', and finally attempts to use his position of influence to bury the misdeeds.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the 3:42 comment; How are we to know what Chief Phelan and others did or did not do to fight the corruption? Who were they supposed to blow the whistle to?

You have talked about this before. There WERE people who spoke about about the goings on in the department. You can boil the problems at GPD down to poor hiring practices, a general lack of holding people accountable for misdeeds and failure to follow established best practice procedures.
Command staff complained to RAHN, he did nothing. Command staff complained personally and in writing to Auberger, who did nothing, except tell Rahn who had complained about him and his practices. Members of the Town Board were told. As we know the Greece Town Board under Auberger was the most useless governing body on record.
Example: It was the norm that 3 people would see a back round package; it went from Rahn, to the person writing it (usually Ball or Trowbridge), back to the Chief and then to the Town hall. It wasn't uncommon for a person to come in to the PD for his first day and no one knew he was coming. By in large these were good people being hired, but it is an understatement that a few bad ones came in. This was the norm, but not the procedure that was in writing.
As far as those bad ones go, people did object to their hiring to Rahn and Auberger. It did no good. They were bad hiring decisions but it wasn't done illegally. So if its not illegal the DA's office wouldn't care, but they did know what was going on. The media didnt care either because they knew of the pending hires in these two cases.
Also, one of the officers who was later to be incarcerated was written up by his supervisor on a few separate occasions after personnel complaints very early in his GPD career. The supervisor documented and investigated the complaints. In writing to the Chief and SUPERVISOR it was recommended that the employee be terminated. Nothing was done. These were personel complaints and not crimainal in nature - so the DA wouldn't care.
After the Jospeh accident it was GPD members who contacted the DA's office when things they learned didn't add up. Certainly there were mistakes at the scene, but the after actions of a few speak volumes how they tried to get justice served.
And it was also a GPD command officer that took a statement from a Pignato crime victim that started the investigation that got him arrested. This same victim was turned away by two other police departments who wouldn't take her complaint.

There were people that tried to make things right. They weren't successful.

I wish soon to be Chief Phelan and the good men and women of the GPD luck and safety.

Anonymous said...

This is a bit off topic, sorry, but since Rahn was brought up, I have a quick question. I heard some months ago that Chad was appointed to the position of head of security for the GCSD, anyone know anything about that?

SCATS said...

To 6:57PM ~~ Sorry, but I just can't/won't buy into the "they were victims" mentality. Why didn't the "good guys" go together to outside law enforcement? When you speak of media, I'm pretty sure you mean within Monroe County. That's awfully limiting!

Perhaps you forget that things became so bad that GPD lost its accreditation, along with its credibility.

SCATS said...

To 7:29PM ~~ Actually, it was Steve Chatterton who became head of GCSD's security ... shortly after "retiring" from GPD.

Anonymous said...

6:57 pm certainly sounds like someone from GPD. My money is on Hank. And by the way, Hank himself isa a former reporter.

Anonymous said...

Thanks. I heard about it on a local morning radio show. Maybe what they said was that C. Rain was just being considered for the position.

SCATS said...

To 11:02PM ~~ Who is C. Rain??

Anonymous said...

from 6:57 I wasn't suggesting anyone within the PD should be viewed as a victim. I'm saying some people within the PD did try and report the problems that would lead to disaster. Those informed continued to serve their own interests.
You couldn't go to an outside law enforcement agency - there wasn't anything criminal to report. Outsdie agencies knew Greece was poorly run, but it wasn't their concern. The first hints of criminaltiy were the joseph accident and a following Pignato investigation.
The accreditation story is a perfect example to highlight the lack of following best practices. The PD had an approved written policy on the steps for hiring officers. In accreditation you have show a written policy and then show you are actually following it. People in the PD told the acceritation investigators that the policy wasn't being followed. Hence the non-complaince.
The Supervsior and the Board are supposed to be the ones elected to keep the Town residents best interest at the forefront of their decisions and to be an important "check and balance" for departments; They did not do so. Warning bells were rung and they were ignored. The trouble that followed is well documented.

SCATS said...

To 9:36AM ~~ You did NOT respond to my question, no surprise there. Again, why didn't all of the "good guys" get together and go to the media, Auberger, State Police, Atty Gen. or anyone who would LISTEN?? There was no "git 'er done" attitude, that's why. Like they say, where there's a will, there's a way. Anything else in this situation is playing the victim card, period.

PS ~~ I am sorry but I do not believe they told the accreditation folk the hiring practice wasn't being followed. Brian Ball was in charge of it!