Friday, March 14, 2014

Phelan Part Deux ...


Earlier This Month He Took Civil Service Exam (Again) To Become Chief

21 comments:

Anonymous said...

This tells me three things
1 The existing list that he placed #1 on has expired.

2. The town requested a new exam after Baxter Quit and the town did not like the old list of candidates.

.3 The current list is a local( department) only list. A county wide list does not exist and this recent exam was a county wide exam in order to establish one with broader list of possible candidates.
It also indicates that Phelan was not Reilich choice. If he was, he could promote him off the existing local certified list without another exam. Time will tell if I'm reading these events correctly and I still believe Mr Big has someone else in mind for the job who no doubt wrote this exam as well. However, this person would have to finish no less then 3 rd on the list in order to be in contention. Even if Phelan finished 1st again, he could by passed over in favor of numbers 2 or 3 which is consistant with Civil Service Rules.









SCATS said...

To 10:44AM ~~ I can confirm #1 & #3 are accurate. #2 sounds highly probable.

Anonymous said...

Wrong, wrong and wrong again!
The list that is expiring is the list Baxter was picked off of which he was number 5! It is an "A" town list which is for small towns. Greece is a "C" town and no list exists.
That means per the town of Greece website any officer lieutenant or above can apply and if selected need only pass the "C" test given and which was scheduled before Baxter's announcement in May. Only exception is if you are currently a chief then it is a lateral transfer.

Anonymous said...

#1) that list is valid until 5-31-14

SCATS said...

To 2:37PM ~~ You need to visit the County website.

To 3:46PM ~~ The County list expired and was removed.

Anonymous said...

It's still here as of 7ish: http://www.monroecounty.gov/mccs/lists/view/4118

Anonymous said...

2:37. What your talking about is a PROVISIONAL Appointment These type of appointments can only happen in the absence of a certified list of eligible candidates This person must take an exam within 9 mo to retain a civil service position and pass with a score no lower than 75%.
If Phelan is the choice and is on a list yet to expire, why not appoint him now and announce their choice subject to him passing the recently given test which I believe will be an open county list open to the rank of lieutenant and above.
Auburger did this his first year when the board created the civil service position of Deputy Chief. He asked for two lists and two exams, one for GPD officers and one for any officer in Monroe county that was eligible.
This would back fire on him as Mackin finished 1 st on both lists and Auburger's choice Lt Mike Cerretto of the State Police was Unreachable at number four on the Open county list. He had to give the job to Mackin.
This still leads me to believe that Phelan is not the choice. Definately some maneuvering going on here.


SCATS said...

To 7:21PM ~~ MEA CULPA! I did not delve deeply enough. Yes, I see that list. I am also sure he sat for a recent exam. It sounds as if 8:11PM has explained the reason. Or maybe Reilich wants to change direction and still appoint a Public Safety head??

Anonymous said...

Who does Relic want for Public Safety head? His son? Someone with zero experience? ???

Anonymous said...

10:18am Dave is that you poping your head up again? The supervisor will handle this like everything else so far. A good choice. I was unsure of him on Jan. 1 but he has won me over as of now.

SCATS said...

To 7:26PM ~~ Like PT Barnum once said, "A sucker is born every minute."

Anonymous said...

Speaking of Dave...his wife could do the public safety gig with all her experience!

SCATS said...

To 8:39PM ~~ Really?

Anonymous said...

First of all Monroe County Civil Service has become a widely know Bad Joke in recent years. They tend to throw out the rule book to accommodate the wishes of local towns and villages
The only thing that would stop them is an action against them by someone in the top three on the list who was passed over for number 5 or below. I've seen this happen before
I believe it is for this reason, Reilich will not appoint his man as a provisional. The reason is simple. What if your provisional chief fails the exam? What a predicament as well as an embarrassment.
There is no rush . If his choice doesn't finish competively, simply make him the PSC and let a deputy chief run the department or at least look like he's in charge. Seen it many times before in this town, nothing new here.

SCATS said...

To 7:18AM ~~ That's one thing I can honestly say about Greece: They're consistent!!

Anonymous said...

If MC Civil Service is engaging in any illicit or questionably coerced action with local entities, Eric Schneiderman needs to stand up now and enter into a fully disclosed investigation - maybe even a perp walk for his conclusion! I have a personal beef with their questionable hiring practices in coercion with GCSD and have finally, after 5 years, gotten my union shills to agree and we are awaiting the next illegal hiring! Perhaps Lovey Dovey's hirings of family into Civil Service positions should be the starting point of this investigation! IMHO

Anonymous said...

As I posted earlier, the practice of public services employers to fill or create civil service positions with provisional appointees has been wide spread for years. The town of Greece as well as the GCSD have employed this practice for years. The problem arises when after the required nine month exam requirement is Convieniantly forgotten and they employee retains the position albeit without civil service protections afforded a certified employee off a certified list.
Union leaders have at times questioned the practice but never filed complaints with the NYS Civil Service Authorities and the practice continues on the local stage. This practice is arbitrary and capricious and unlawful and loaded with political cronyism .

Anonymous said...

The problem is that the "waivers" being stated to hire these individuals don't exist in any written civil service law. Therefore the employer and anyone hired under these conditions is in violation of civil service law, public service law, and thereby forfeits any standing as an employee, has no seniority, and cannot be protected by their employer, or civil service.
Has anyone else noted that the nine month requirement is being circumvented by civil service when only offering exams yearly or longer?
Fact is, anyone in a Civil Service position, who has not taken the exam specific to that title must be terminated in 12 months. If not, the employer is liable and can be sued!

Anonymous said...

You are forgetting the most important thinking by the employer. The employee holding down the position probably is not qualified and could in no way pass the exam for that position.
You are correct about the remedy. Any employee who Is denied this position and is qualified, can sue to force the municipality to follow the law . However timing is the key here.
I remember a situation years back. When a person not qualified to even write the exam, got the position while finishing second on the list. The passed over employee who was number one, waited six months before bring the action in court. The decision of the judge was rediculous . He ruled in favor of the town stating that civil service was wrong to allow this person to take the exam in the first place. But, because this guy had been in the job for six months, he could retain the position. A county judge in County Court . No surprise here, Because the complaint
could not afford to appeal, this decision was allowed to stand
This illegal position eventually led to this employee becoming one of the five PSC's in the town of Greece.

Anonymous said...

Hank glad your back. How come you aren't applying for Baxter's job?

Anonymous said...

Sorry pal, but this all happened before "Hank" was born.