Tuesday, March 25, 2014

How "Clean" Is The Greece Police Dept?


 
SCATS ~~ I am posting these links & the video to INFORM people about potential problems that currently exist within the Greece Police Dept. The views expressed in the linked BLOGs are NOT necessarily shared by SCATS. However, I will neither tolerate, nor post "sniper" type comments aimed at their author. Please keep your remarks civil, if you want them posted. TY.



Read Davy V's BLOG titled: Why I Crashed Greece, NY Police Chief Patrick Phelan's Big Day (VIDEO)


Read Davy V's BLOG titled: Greece, NY Police officer Sengova Sandi Illegally Detains, Handcuffs Woman Outside of TC Hooligans
 
 
Officer Sengova Sandi, GPD

 

 

38 comments:

SCATS said...

WARNING! Do NOT blast the messengers! Keep your remarks on the topic, behaviors, issues. TY.

Anonymous said...

Obviously this blogger has a personal beef with the Pd going back to 2009. That came out loud and clear in the video when he made reference to being harassed
By Nick Joseph. So how are we to give credit to any unproven allegations he made about TC hooligans which seems to be one of his favorite hang outs. As I recall that's were the phony police car picture took place.







SCATS said...

To 1:19PM ~~ Had you bothered to actually READ THE LINKED BLOGS you'd know it goes far beyond harassment!

Your snipe about TC Hooligans is also unfounded. Don't forget, it is marketed as A FAMILY RESTAURANT and sports bar.

As for the supposedly fake pic, it wasn't fake at all. Take a hard look at the new cop cars. Those lightbars all look like toys!

Anonymous said...

First I believe what 1:19 means is they picture was not taken in front of Hooligans as the poster says it was and the car was parked in the Police parking spot.

Second: the Davy blog. I really see no issue with what transpired and the office was doing his job as he's suppose to. If anyone knows anything about drug users they commonly use in vehicles. I'm not accusing this person of using drugs, but 2 people sitting in a vehicle in front of a bar at 1 AM is suspicious. Mall security asked them to leave (it is private property) and they refused, so they called GPD. GPD came they still refused to leave so they investigated further. Anyone who has watched any police show on TV know it's standard procedure to place someone in handcuffs while they investigate. They removed her cuffs and had a friend come pick her up. There's no issue here, no harassing, no illegal detaining, just a mountain out of a mole hill. Of course non of us were actually there to see how it actually unfolded.

SCATS said...

To 2:20PM ~~ Actually, I took a little ride around the mall this past weekend looking at the angles. Guess what?? THE PIC LIKELY WAS TAKEN EXACTLY WHERE STATED!

If you see "no issue" with either a security guard or a cop telling someone to leave when the person just told him they were under the influence of alcohol, then YOU'VE got a problem! Sounds like maybe YOU drink & drive!

Anonymous said...

Scats you won't post this but you only believe what you want to believe, There was no doubt in the minds of those who examined the enlarged images that the alledged light bar was an over sized wooden mockup made from 4x4 fence posts Even the script on the car was wrong and out of alignment. But you go on and believe what you want to as you know doubt will but this guy in a phony
You know better or you should. TC Hooligans is aptly named and no one in his right mind would take his family there especially on the weekends. The cops are routinely called there to break up fights. It's just a matter of time before the Town shuts them down as a nuisance establishment or Wilmorite throws them out.

SCATS said...

To 2:51PM ~~ Why would you think I wouldn't post your comment??

Yes, I do believe what I want to believe ESPECIALLY WHEN I'VE CHECKED IT OUT MYSELF!

When you mention "those who examined" the pic, WHO EXACTLY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT (other than yourself)?? How can you know "the alledged light bar was an over sized wooden mockup made from 4x4 fence posts"?? It looks nothing like a fence post, let alone being 4x4.

If Hooligans didn't get closed after the numerous incidents with WEAPONS (i.e. guns) that have transpired there on BAXTER'S WATCH, then I seriously doubt it will close anytime soon! BTW, there's more than one such establishment in the Rochester area ;)

Anonymous said...

No I don't have a problem and I don't drink and drive. If I'm driving I limit my self to one drink (a beer), then switch to water. This person should have called a Cab or Friend when they realized they couldn't drive, not sit in their car to "sober up". I'm also sure if the told security they were waiting for a rid or cab that was on the way they would have no issue. Instead they refused to leave private property, and who knows maybe it was the Police officer who had the idea or arraigned for the friend to come.

Oh and I still stand by my comments on the picture. All the handicap spots over there are along the building,.

Anonymous said...

As I see it the only mistake the cop made was not making an arrest for failure to obey a lawful command. Called a tow truck and hooked it out of there ASAP. Having done this, he would have covered all the bases. Removed the drunk, tow the car thereby protecting the public from eventual harm as the suspect would have hit the road at sometime to drive home. In any case, no one got hurt and the cop restored order. A job well done without someone getting locked up. Alls well that ends well don't you think

SCATS said...

To 3:13PM ~~ I could not disagree more! Since when did it become illegal to smoke a cigarette in your own car at the mall lot??

I'd bet lunch any judge with a brain would have thrown out a case based on an arrest happy cop.

Anonymous said...

A professional photographer who retired from the Monroe County Crime Lab.
His observations, Wooden posts 2 upright , one lateral wooden one possibly a 2x4 all
lashed together with 3/8s to 1/2 inch line placed on padding material under the uprights possibly rubber or felt to prevent scratches to the pained roof surface of the car.
You will like this one. He said they resembled under sized football goal posts.
Apparently the person who set up the car couldn't afford to buy a real light bar . Lol. Give it up. your wrong this time for sure. As he said, it was his professional experience that every one sees things differently or see what they want to see especially with photographs or ink blots.

SCATS said...

LMAO @ "A professional photographer who retired from the Monroe County Crime Lab."

That's a good one lol!

I'll up the ante and claim (just as you have lol) that a former FBI detective had the photo examined in their DC lab ;)

Anonymous said...

I consider Phelan fruit of the poisonous tree. He just didn't get caught in the Rahn scandal. But he did NOT speak up so that doesn't make him squeaky clean.

SCATS said...

To 6:54PM ~~ Agreed.

To the person who wrote the comment about who they think I am, my personality, etc. ~~ As has been policy here for a long time, such comments are irrelevant, seen as an attempted diversion tactic & therefore not posted, unlike on certain Facebook pages. Nice try anyway :)

Anonymous said...

Mr. V comes across as a little bitter towards all police in general. It seems as he takes quite a few cheap shots whenever possible. If this woman was indeed sitting in her car smoking a cigarette it would take her much more than an hour to sober up and he bar closes at 2. So what would have happened if at 2 she was still there? It sounds as if she was unwilling to cooperate with the police officer. I am sure there is another side to this story, the one posted is only the woman's point of view and is told by a gentleman that was not witness to any of this. As for the behavior at the press conference it just comes across to some as rude. If people really have a point to make or a question that they truly want answered this sort of tactic is not really the right avenue to take or the right venue to do it in. People would listen to his message he is trying to get across if he went about it differently perhaps.

SCATS said...

To 9:20PM ~~ I suspect you might be "a little bitter" too if you were subjected to the behavior he's witnessed/experienced.

As for the incident at the mall, I don't hear the cop, nor anyone else in GPD, saying otherwise.

Regarding the choice of venue, it's Greece. You gotta be careful. If you make a quiet inquiry, you'll get total silence. Been there, done it over & over again.

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SCATS said...

To 10:40PM ~~ First you call people names. Then you end by laughing?? Anyone who would laugh at this situation is beyond my ability to reason with on a sane level.

SCATS said...

To the person who wrote the comment about who they think I am, you need to go back to school!

You are seriously comprised when confronted with your own ability to read minds.

SCATS said...

To the person commenting about Davy V ~~ Same rules that apply to me apply to him. Keep your own, personal, racist attitudes to yourself, please.

Anonymous said...

I think Iif Davy v went about his point in a different way he would be taken more seriously. I don't disagree that there are things that are wrong in greece and many other towns yet I do to necessarily agree with the way he goes about getting his point heard. He comes across as having an axe to grind. I do agree with some of the previous posters that much of his scenarios he posts and blogs about are second hand stories and lose credibility as there are indeed 2 sides to every story and some where in the middle lies the truth. You won't necessarily hear the greece police side as they are not always able to comment about every complaint that is brought against them especially on social media. We are asked to believe every aspect of the story As told second hand by Davy V. I personally lost some respect for his credibility when he rallied behind the Karen Klein incident. I found it rather difficult to rLly behind someone that was not doing her job and wound up making a rather hefty sum our of it. So I have a problem backing him in every second hand story he tells on a blog or social media. I am not naive when it comes to corruption in the greece police dept. or the district yet I am not willing to believe everything he tries to spin. Someone that dedicates his entire lively hood in following police and asking for donations leaves bad taste in my mouth as far as his credibility. I know you most likely do not agree but I know you are not totally biased in all your opinions and tend to usually listen to all views. I' know this is only my opinion and I know you do not necessarily agree, but I do respect different views on subjects.

SCATS said...

To 10:21PM ~~ If I had experienced all that he has, I might sound like I've got an axe to grind too. While I understand your points, especially regarding Klein, variety is the spice of life, right?

Anonymous said...

What's the issue here? Why are you "informing" us of what appears to be an isolated incident, and where the citizen was definitely in the wrong, even if the cop may have acted nonoptimally? (you don't sit in your car for a bit to "sober up" at 1AM before driving home; you sober up overnight in your bed after you arrange for a buddy to drive you home)

SCATS, you're just baiting controversy, not "informing" us of anything where real and important information ("inform" and information are related, you know) is available.

If you think this is really part of some larger systemic issue, then you have to be willing to believe that this cop is an insider, part of the good-ole-boy network. But I don't think he is.

SCATS said...

To 7:52AM ~~ How many "isolated incidents" does it take before you can say there is an endemic problem? There have quite a number of "isolated issues" on Baxter's watch ... and I'm pretty sure there are quite a number we've never heard a word about, too.

There was the young K-9 cop who was hooking up with young men in bars. There was the cop who used the gas card for his own purposes. There was the suspension of Shaun Moore. These are just a few that come to mind.

I think it's up to the community to know and decide if this cop's "nonoptimal" behavior is the kind of thing we want Greece PD to be known for. It certainly was under Rahn.

Anonymous said...

You mention that nobody from the. PD is commenting about this Mall incident, I have a question. Why would they? To my knowledge I do not recall any media outlet reporting this incident or if anyone filed an official complaint.
Therefore I think it would be fair to say that their silence is due to fact this incident never was brought to the attention of the community. In other words as far as they and the community are concerned, it never happened and no reason to respond to an alleged incident that never officially happened.

SCATS said...

To 12:57PM ~~ It's all over social media. Please don't tell us that doesn't count because there are numerous examples to PROVE otherwise ;)

SCATS said...

By the way, it is interesting to note that Ms. Martinez took the Civil Service exams to become a cop or work for MCSO in the past. She has some knowledge of law enforcement.

Anonymous said...

Regardless the version CS exam taken for LEO's, there is very little Criminal Law knowledge required to pass with a very high score. MCSO is just a NYS security guard exam. Add in any special credits and you will score 5 pts. higher than any HS graduate!

Anonymous said...

1:01 PM social media is not as significant as you think. Why? Because people posting anonymously can say anything as they often do. Can not take it seriously there fore it becomes insignificant and just plain old BS.

Anonymous said...

Then I was correct about the absence of local media coverage. Just so I understand your response, your saying because the alleged incident is being discussed on social media, the PD has an obligation to respond on the same venue. I still have a problem understanding that rationale as many topics on social media are not rooted in fact so why would they respond to discussions and opinions posted on those sites. I believe that would be unnecessary and unprofessional.
However, I will agree that in some situation, the print and TV media will pickup on some topics of discussion on these various sites and follow up with their own investigation to establish the facts and news worthiness of the subject, Regarding this incident , apparently the topic did not meet either requirements and was never reported.As a result, nothing to respond to regarding this alledged incident. just my opinion.

SCATS said...

To 5:59PM ~~ "Any HS graduate??" Unless they are from Greece ... or the City ... oh wait! Most HS grads can barely read these days!

Based upon your premise, I should have taken the exam with Phelan, then I could be the next Chief of police in Greece! Hmmm ... maybe I'll put that on my "to do" list ...

SCATS said...

To 6:06PM ~~ I love it when people ASSume things, as you just did! Who said the postings are anonymous?? Davy Vara is far from anonymous & it started there. It is also on the FB page of the victim, among other places.

To 6:50PM ~~ I'm not sure what YOU count as "local media." It's not posted anonymously. Worse yet, the cop who did it has FAILED to say it did not happen. Everyone with a brain KNOWS that if it did not happen then GPD would be crying foul, especially him. He'd be filing his own lawsuit ;)

Anonymous said...

By way of clarification , "local" media = Local TV outlets and the D&C. These news organizations must verify the validity of a story that may damage the reputation of any individual, group , organization etc by obtaining the facts before they publish or broadcast the story. This I believe is called responsible reporting with the absence of malice. Social media on the other hand, does not always meet those standards and general regarded in most responsible circles as unfounded rumors and speculation on topics of interest that are sometimes tainted by personal biases,

Anonymous said...

Actually what 5:59 is saying is to take a entry level Police exam pretty much the only requirement is a HS diploma. Generally promotional exams have more stringent requirements including holding other command positions, Sgt, Lt, etc.

SCATS said...

To 7:40AM ~~ I love your ASSUMPTIONS that "they must verify ..."!! The truth is they often do not! I've seen all sorts of assumptions local media makes in the stories they write. They don't even bother going back after they make blatant errors to correct the mistake. If they do anything at all, they change the online version without showing they made any change at all. The D&C is most infamous for this, but the other media does it too. Interesting that you completely omitted radio from your list. So much comes from Kimberly & Beck these days and we all know they must be accurate since Baxter kannoodles with them on a regular basis! lmao

SCATS said...

To 9:24AM ~~ Thanks for translating.

Anonymous said...

To scats
Sorry I wasn't clear enough
To 924
thanks for the support and enlightening scats
I mean what I said. Can you understand, speak, and write in English. Do you have common sense? If so and you are a minority i.e. non white male... You are hired as a LEO!!!
It really is that simple...

SCATS said...

To 6:10PM ~~ If you've ever read the reports cops write, you'd know that being able "to write in English" isn't really required either ;)