Monday, January 20, 2014

Is Your Neighbor's Property 'Tax Exempt'?


 "Wholly Exempted" Properties total 483 (starting pg. 10,332)
 
Summary Totals  (page 10,500)

21,616 receive Basic STAR
6,462 receive Enhanced STAR
38,010 parcels receive SOME Exemption!

SCATS ~~ If your neighbor is clergy, or receives one or more of dozens of possible "special exemptions", YOU are making up for it in your tax bill!
 

24 comments:

Anonymous said...

WHO CARES,!

SCATS said...

To 4:33PM ~~ I DO :)

Anonymous said...

Better question than exempt properties might be why some properties have very LOW assessments.

Look at the assessment of the old ship yard at Dewey and Ling. 1300 foot long industrial building and a 2 story concrete building on prime land ad it's assessed lower than my house.

Hey Leo, what's up with that?

Anonymous said...

This is again representative of the perverse NY way of hiding things in unnecessary complexity (COMIDA, which you love to skewer, is more of the same). Everybody gets at least basic STAR, only the few (very very few) pay the sticker price in taxes. The system is designed around the assumption that nearly everyone gets a break, and the politically favored get more than one.

The culture of everyone getting something for nothing normalizes corruption. This is the NY way.

SCATS said...

To 2:29AM ~~ Well, I'm not sure how much I'd "value" a toxic patch of less than prime commercial property. But I see your point.

To 7:53AM ~~ The only fools who don't get STAR are the ones who buy a new home at the wrong time of the year & can't file for it due to timing issues.

Regarding COMIDA, did you see the Ridge Rd McDonald's or the car dealer who pays NO TAX?? Must be nice!!

As I always say, any "discount" that remains for the long haul is THE ACTUAL STICKER PRICE, and no longer a "savings." The same is true for STAR.

By the way, something these pages do NOT show are the residents who get their properties tax-free! There are hundreds of them too. Lots of folks pay ZERO IN SCHOOL TAX due to the enhanced STAR. The middle class family is being squeezed to death by such discriminatory burdens.

Anonymous said...

SCATS, the toxic part of that property is the Northwest corner. The toxics came from the bumper replating shop that was at the North end of the big building in the 70s and the test results clearly indicate chrome plating salts.

Leo Atkin owned the property when the plating tanks were pumped out the pipe laying on top of the ground. It was easier for DEC & EPA to dump the cleanup on the taxpayers so the contamination was blamed on the Air Force plant there 20 years before the contamination. Don Riley was fully aware of the dirty deal.

You want to estimate the value of the property check the selling price of Atkin to Danis Decorating for the South East parcel a couple years back.

SCATS said...

To 8:41PM ~~ Actually, I know quite a bit about that property. I was there when the Army Corps of Engineers & others held "hearings" prior to the "clean-up" effort. What a crock!

Charlie Hubbard said...

Every exemption or 'break' has a cost to the other taxpayers - what is that cost? Because there is little to no review of these programs our elected officials don't know either.
One quick example - the low income senior tax reduction program that started before STAR but was not reviewed when STAR came on board. As a result we have over 800 properties in GCSD that pay no school tax and the rules for this program are so bad we have properties assessed at over $300,000 getting low income reductions - paid by the rest of us. This program also cost us several hundred thousand dollars in STAR reinbursements from the state.
As for COMIDA we have yet to see what the 'deals' approved by this COMMITTEE cost the rest of us. COMIDA does not know or care and seeing as our local reps fail to openly approve these tax breaks (the reason for comida) one has to wonder if they also care.

SCATS said...

TY Charlie!! What you said should be repeated, loudly:
"One quick example - the low income senior tax reduction program that started before STAR but was not reviewed when STAR came on board. As a result we have over 800 properties in GCSD that pay no school tax and the rules for this program are so bad we have properties assessed at over $300,000 getting low income reductions - paid by the rest of us."

Anonymous said...

Where can we read up on this low-income exclusion and who needs to act - to whom should we write - to get it changed?

Anonymous said...

I've often wondered why people who live in apartments don't pay a school tax, lord knows lots of our towns students and population live in apartments. There is no way the landlord of those apartments are paying a true school tax for all of those residents!

SCATS said...

To 2:31PM ~~ To some extent, it's the local BOE who controls how high/low the income exclusion is under STAR. The STAR program is under Robach & company's watch.

Anonymous said...

2:52 you need to take a look at the assessment and tax rate on multiple residence properties in Greece.

Believe me apartments pay bigger taxes.
Greece will even nail you to the wall if your property is large enough to accommodate an in-law cottage.

Of course, if your relative is or was a politician the Assessor doesn't see the multiple residence.

SCATS said...

To 1:06AM ~~ OMG you are so right! A neighbor's double (totally separated inlaw suite) is listed as "single family." In fact, the number of "errors" in the Assessor's info is amazing! Even their lists of "recent sales" lack MANY LISTINGS. Do your homework thoroughly before going to fight the increase!

Anonymous said...

Mr Hubbard, do you enjoy the Star exemption. I betha. Do

SCATS said...

To 2:04PM ~~ EVERYONE GETS THE STAR EXEMPTION ... probably even YOU!

As I stated earlier, any ongoing "discount" is just a con artist's way of making you think you are paying less when you aren't. That's exactly what STAR is!

Anonymous said...

scats I'm beginning to believe you and Charlie Hubbard are one and the same. They way you gush all over his remarks there has to be a connection. Right?.

SCATS said...

To 4:34PM ~~ Gush?? Surely you must jest! 2:04's comment was silly and rhetorical.

Anonymous said...

It sounds like some people think everyone should have to pay school tax, even if they do not use the public education system.

I have a senior citizen STAR enhanced exemption, do not pay school tax and I will continue to apply and qualify for it every year.

People should not have to pay for a public service they don't use or derive any benefit from. To force people to do so is tyranny.

SCATS said...

To 6:52PM ~~ Isn't it also tyranny for younger folks who don't use the schools to be forced to pay school taxes? I suspect they may even outnumber the seniors! Some have no kids, some send their kids to private school and pay twice (theoretically) while some have kids who are done with public school and in college, the military or working jobs.

Senior exemptions that give anyone a free-ride are UNFAIR and tyrannical, period.

Anonymous said...

Reply to SCATS, 7:59PM:

Yes I agree with your retort and it further supports my point that forcing ANYONE to pay for a public service they don't use is tyranny.

I agree senior exemptions are unjust favoritism. But neither is it fair that 15,000 students and their 1.5 parents mandate the rest of the 50,000 plus residents pay for the bloated public education system.

Every year the town hears the clarion call for more taxpayer dollars. The superintendent must have just a little bit more of our money because "it's for the children". Hah!

Ask yourself this, why do we even need a superintendent for every one of the 15+ school districts in Monroe County? They're nothing more than overpaid public relations bureaucrats; everyone of them makes more in salary and fringe benefits than the Governor of New York!

May I remind you of the former Greece superintendent Steve Walts and his lucrative severance package that included LIFETIME healthcare benefits? Maybe we should ship him that $100,000 grand piano he had the taxpayers on the hook for.

Until the idiots on the BOE (Board of Education) stop treating the title of "Superintendent" as a financial windfall for the lucky candidate whose resume paints the most impressive display of administrative flimflam, you won't get any sympathy from me.

There is too much administrative "make work" bureaucracy in public education. It needs to stop because young people with low paying jobs and retired seniors in our community can't afford it.

SCATS said...

To 11:14AM ~~ When it comes to waste in the school budget, no one knows how bad it really is, I'm afraid. They are quite cunning in hiding the true cost for things like sports programs, other extra-curriculars, etc. Has anyone else noticed that the call for $millions for technology has been reduced to a wimper? All the equipment we bouht back then gathered lots of dust because you can't force a teacher to learn to use it without going back to union leadership, funding staff development, paying for subs while the teachers catch up, etc. It's a scam, a very costly one at that.

Anonymous said...

11;14 no one practices age discrimination more than government. Government picks the winners and the losers. In the case you site one item and only one item counts, votes.

Anonymous said...

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