Wednesday, December 04, 2013

Her Short List ...

 
IS CHIEF TODD ON IT??
 

Rochester Mayor-Elect Lovely Warren


 




Greece Police Chief Todd Baxter


SCATS ~~ The rumors have been swirling for days! One of her top three candidates is widely reported to be from OUTSIDE RPD. Warren is seeking someone who can "return law and order to our city, who is going to be willing to repair the relationship with the community. To me, there is a way to do policing that does not necessarily cause friction with the community. It is not necessarily, at the end of the day, what you do, but how you do it."
 

25 comments:

Anonymous said...

This choice makes perfect sense! Baxter is a longtime RPD employee. Greece hired him to "restore the trust" and some think he has. Sounds like Lovely's cup of tea, right?

Auberger's out in a few days and maybe Reilich wants someone else to be chief. Baxter could take the city job and Phelan junior becomes Greece's next top cop, just like daddy hoped for.

Anonymous said...

Wrong color and bite you tongue, One Phelan in a century is bad but two?No way. besides, Baxter has got it made out here. Why would he want to leave our septic tank and be the chief of the sh-t hole he came from. Also he knows that Warren will be taking orders from Dave Gantt, a renown city slum lord.
If Rielich wants some one else, the best non political most qualified choice would be Deputy Chief Erhmacher . Starting out with a Phelan clone would be a bad move on his part certain to raise eye browse and red flags and conjure up the specter of scandals of the past and" sins of the father".

SCATS said...

To 11:52AM ~~ I see it your way, as well. Reilich already started replacing other "insiders" so why not Baxter too?

To 1:53PM ~~ TY for agreeing that Baxter has become political. In fact, I'd say the politics would be the reason he'd want out ;)

Anonymous said...

If Jim Sheppard wasn't black enough for her and too much of a cop, Baxter will defiantly not be the next City Police Chief.

Anonymous said...

I think DC Urmacher will retire... He's too smart to let the State take away his enhanced retirement benefit under the next contract and also destroy his impeccable credentials by swearing allegiance to yet another douche bag. Rumor is that GPD will lose about 12 long time highly competent and respected officers around Dec. 31 for the exact same reasons. Who would want to lead a force of snot nosed, incompetent, newly hired's, when the top 10% up and quit! It's leadership 101.

Anonymous said...

I didn't say that at all. What I indicated that if Baxter left, of those who would be in contention to replace him would be Erhmacher who is without political connections as appossed to Phelan and the newest rising star in the PD,
The youngest of the Helfer brothers. The elder is of course the Deputy Couny executive. If politics figures in to the next chief, my money is on him. It's all moot as Baxter ain't going anywhere except into retirement.

SCATS said...

To 4:34PM ~~ I don't see Baxter as "defiant" at all. And who said the current chief wasn't "black enough?" What does that mean?

To 5:50PM ~~ Please explain how the state will " take away his enhanced retirement benefit under the next contract" because I don't get it.

To 6:17PM ~~ No one who remains in GPD for any length of time stays there without connections, no one. You are either in it, or an outsider and outsiders don't get ahead in this town.

SCATS said...

How fitting that on the 11PM news tonight, Ch 13 showed Chief Todd in the background of both video and photos while discussing the possibility that Cedric Alexander could be coming back to Rochester.

Anonymous said...

The exodus already started at GPD. Retirement parties galore.

Anonymous said...

The State Constitution prohibits. Any change to the regulations contained in the 5 and now 6 tier system. once vested in the tier he was hired in, the Benifits and contributions are frozen until and after retirement,
No one currently employed by Greece, will not be subjected to any changes that are now contained in each tier.Municipalities can not arbitrarily change the condition of existing employee contracts. it's the law, So I doubt any officer that are retiring as has been suggested , are retiring to protect their pension Benifits, They are guaranteed by Existing State laws.
I believe the person who posted that remark was citing the recent Detroit bankruptcy ruling but has no impact on New York State unless Greece files for Chapter 9 protection. highly unlikely to happen and by that time the Detroit nRuling will be over turned by the high count However, it is important to be. Aware of the fact that contract language is subject to two tests, Violation of State and Federal laws. in both cases contractual agreements can be superceeded by State and Federal laws which take president over contract. Terms and conditions.

Anonymous said...

What is an enhanced retirement benifit? Unless a new law was passed and I missed it, no such thing exists.
There are presently 6 tiers in the NYS Police and Fire fighters pension system, All but tier one employees are required to contribute a set amount yearly to thier plan.Each one has a set formula for calculating retirement age as well as. A calculation to determine the amount of their yearly pension They all differ somewhat to some degree especially in how much each teir must contribute over the the set 3% amount set for tier two? Each has a set if exclusions used to calculate their yearly check. One of them is lump sum payments for unused sick time and vacations as well. As a cap on overtime payments. Other than that, their is no such stipulation of ENHANCED BENIFITS.
In order be a tier one employee, one would have to be on the job prior to 1973. I doubt if there are any Greece cops in that tier still working. I would guess that there a few tier two's but most if them would be in tier 3thru 5 Any new hires in 2012 would be tier 6
So if there is a mass exedus it's not for pension concerns as they are guaranteed by State Constitutional Law. So unless Greece plans to file chapter 9 bankruptcy any time soon there would. Be no cause for concern on their part.

Anonymous said...

To 12/5 3:30 and Scats:

If the new contract is deemed to be retroactive to Jan 1 2014, then any employee still on payroll on Jan 1 is subject to the stipulations of said new contract! Regardless of any exclusive agreements made between 3rd parties, there is a legal probable legal challenge. Governor can and then probably would go through the courts in an attempt to save tax dollars. Is that a risk any State employee would risk?

SCATS said...

To 5:56PM ~~ How could it be retroactive to a date in the future??

Anonymous said...

The mass exodus is due to the current contract expiring at the end of the year. That being said most Officers who are eligible to retire, are due to the fact they will have to pay more in healthcare in the next contract. Upon retirement most contracts state you retire with the health care costs of that contract, wheather it be 90/10 85/15 etc. as example.

Scats I believe what 5:56 is saying is if there is a gap in contracts the new one will be retro active 1/1/14. So if during that gap the work under the expired agreement.So if there's a gap and someone retires effective 1/15 and a new agreement is signed they are under the new one.

Anonymous said...

Hank is posting again? Go do some math with your wife.

SCATS said...

To 9:04PM ~~ Hank?? Hank who??

Anonymous said...

So it appears to me that we are not talking about pension Benifits but health care Benifits contained in the contracts between the Patrolmans Associatio n and the Gold Badge club.. Now there is cause for concern regarding the current agreement if they expire on 12-13 and no new contracts have been signed by then
The Triborough clause will be in effect until a new contract is signed meaning all healthcare and other provisions will remain in effect until a new contract is signed ie the teachers problem. This is were it gets dicey. Here 8:20 is correct . Anyone. On the payroll on 1-1-14 will be subject to the terms of the new agreement. And if the new contracts makes changes to health care etc even it's two years from now, they would be subject to the terms of the new agreement even if the retire on 1-2-14 after they retire. So given this fact, I would jump ship now rather than roll the dice on what may ir not be in the new agreement.

Anonymous said...

If it's true that several high ranking police officials are retiring before 12/31 it makes perfect sense for several reasons.
Those with close political ties to Auberger and in fact
may owe their positions to him, have decided to leave rather than take a chance with Rielich Probably a good decision on their part.
Also , why would either of the two police unions want to sign a contract with a lame duck administration. An administration that in large part wrecked the reputation of thePD during the scandals. No way this happens.This is in no small way their way of telling Auburger to go ,you no what , go.---- yourself!!!
If changes to health care is part of the towns position and continues under Reilich, why take a chance. Leave before it becomes a reality in the near future. Because when they retire before the expiration of the current contracts, they retain their current health care plans for life. It's really a no brainer and an easy decision to make under all circumstances I believe are in play.

Anonymous said...

Police officers, just like everyone else, retire when it's financially beneficial for them to do so. All this mumbo jumbo about politics and "their good name" and who is friends with who means absolutely nothing.

At the end of the day, the town will save money as more of the hirer paid and less energetic officers finally call it quits allowing for a new generation to come in.

In addition, there are officers who have joined GPD from other jurisdictions which means there's no lack of experience on the force.

The guys leaving are leaving because they want to. Or is the suggestion that they are so meek and wimpy that they can't handle their job? Or because there's a new Supervisor coming on that they are either not friends with or they just don't like?

Please. Stop all the theatrics.

I swear many people commenting here must still be in grade school.

Anonymous said...

2:16 The real world is beckoning you. It's obvious to me you have absolutely no idea about what your talking about and know nothing about what it's like to wear the uniform. I can assure you there is nothing theatrical about about it.
Decisions made every day impact the lives of every one you deal with, However, the most important decision you will make are the ones that directly impact your personal and family life. That's why the decision to retire does not always depend on financial considerations. Many other factors are in play. None of them have any as you suggest
" wimpy" reasoning.
When you wear the uniform for over 25 yrs and are
exposed to situations that challenge your very sanity, it takes an unimaginable toll on your person and spills over into your family life. When the job becomes a "job" that has negative future implications, it's time to pull the plug before it consumes you entirely. And yes, one factor that influences these decisions are changes in your working conditions as well as protection of current benifits earned for your retirement years..
One regrettable fact that is inescapable when you work in a political subdivision like a town PD, politics can play an important role in your decision. Anyone who thinks politics does not influence the mission of the department and the peformance of it's personnal , is not if this earth.

SCATS said...

To 6:26PM ~~ Your final statement is oh so true! Especially in Greece NY ;)

Anonymous said...

Sorry 6:26 but you're the one living in a fantasy world. And maybe you should pay a little closer attention to this thread. People here are stating that the exodus of high-ranking GPD officers is due to the fact that their buddy John Auberger is leaving.

Unless you agree with that, then you too must acknowledge that it is a preposterous reason.

Whether it's financially feasible, or one can't handle the stress any more as you suggest, or they're offered another job, or they just want to spend more time with their family, those are reasons that make sense.

Not because of some faux political claim as people here are suggesting but can't provide specifics on.

If that were true, then yes, that would be considered a very wimpy reason. EVERYBODY deals with "politics" where they work.

Be a man (or woman) buck up, put your big kid pants back on and deal with it. Everyone else does and they don't have guns and pepper spray! ;)

If cops actually say that they are leaving because they can't handle this kinda stuff, good. They're not tough enough to handle this kind of job anyway.

SCATS said...

To 11:19AM ~~ The reason I say politics is usually a factor is that Baxter arrived and took his message on tour through Greece for a couple months. After that, it was as if someone shut off the faucet (his mouth). In more recent times, he stayed TOTALLY OUT OF VIEW! Now, suddenly, he's all over radio & TV talking to reporters, Lonsberry and anyone else who will listen to his opinion about the "rumors" related to Cedric Alexander. On top of that, his pic is right there in the background on all of those "news files" from the past. I think he'd jump ship from Greece in a heartbeat, if given the right incentive. And he hasn't denied it.

Anonymous said...

"And he hasn't denied it."

And he hasn't confirmed it.

And there you have it.

SCATS said...

To 9:07AM ~~ Of course not, because then he couldn't keep his options (to leave Greece) open!