Wednesday, August 28, 2013

COMIDA Loan Request ...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dear COMIDA:
Thank you for giving Midtown $18.6 million in tax relief. Obviously they didn't do their homework and didn't know how they were going to make a profit on the project unless we, the people, chipped in some dough.

And thanks also for getting the state to waive the rules to allow you to give COSTCO over $3 million in tax relief. They must use the same accounting firm that the Midtown developer used. I understand the difficulty in finding a way to skirt the law that says you can't give relief to retail sales places, and laud your work to get around that technicality. I do appreciate the fact that this place will create over 200 jobs, which we will have created at the tune of only $15,000 each, a bargain in today's job market.

Now I have one request. Could you please consider giving me just $1 million in tax relief over the next 20 years? I have lived here for over 40 years, paid my taxes on time, in full, including the surcharges to pay all the "relief" you have given away, and figure it is my turn to get REAL relief, not that chump change called STAR.

Waiting for your careful consideration and positive response, I remain,
Your de-voting servant       8/28/2013 7:37 AM
 

15 comments:

Charlie Hubbard said...

How proud we should be of our elected officials who sit back and allow a 'committee' (comida) to determine the tax structure we elected these people to oversee.
Please note our elected officials don't even vote.

Anonymous said...

Whereas i don't like to see my tax dollars given away to businesses, the county is getting nothing in taxes for these properties right now and by greasing the wheels of these deals they will be getting positive cash flow in the near future. Better spent there than on some welfare queen.

Anonymous said...

To 2:01PM.........you have got to be kidding me! Tax breaks for retail jobs that pay minimum wage and no medical or retirement benefits. How is that going to put cash flow into our economy?? Maybe McDonalds and Burger King will benefit because those will be the only places these folks working the minimum wage jobs can afford to eat! They won't make enough to buy a home, buy a new car (maybe a junker, spend money at the mall or other retail establishments. So where is this "positive" cash flow going to come from?

I have been a homeowner for 40 years too. Been on my own since I was 18 yrs old. I figure I have paid out a minimum of $100,000 in property taxes and what do I get in return? A public education system that is in the toilet even though we spend the most per kid in the US. AND I get to pay the highest property taxes in the nation.

The individual taxpayers in this state are getting screwed. All those tax breaks for businesses end up on our plate because someone (us) has to make up for the "free" money COMIDA and other agencies give away to business. AGAIN.................for what? Jobs paying $7.50 an hr and no benefits.

Anonymous said...

Specific only to Costco, employees there start at $11.50 per hour and the average employee earns $17.50 per hour. And, everyone gets benefits.

Anonymous said...

2:01, I am sure that the request for tax relief was tongue in cheek, but the Costco jobs will pay an average of 40K. Costco is actually one of the better big box stores to work for - salary and benefits. And it is true that if Monroe county doesn't pay to have them locate here, somebody else will and the store and jobs will go there.
That said, I wonder how many of these public give-aways we can afford to put on the backs of the country and town taxpayers. There has to be a better way to entice new business into the county, other than buying it from the other locations competing for it. These tax breaks last for years, and in the interval they are in force, the property tax payers have to make up the difference. I wish someone would tell us (Maggie, are your minions reading this) how much we are on the hook for from all the past COMIDA gifts that are still in effect.

Anonymous said...

I get tired of explaining this. Either everyone does not get it or they choose to not get it including Charlie. Costco site currently has nothing on it paying taxes. If its privately owned vacant land next to nothing in property taxes. Lets say the full taxes on the building are 100,000. With Comida they are graduated in over ten years. The first year they pay 10,000 the second 20,000 and so on. So even year one they are paying taxes and more than the land was generating now. It does not cost other tax payers a dime. Every year they are paying more than the year before.This parcel will not be paying school taxes yet not send one child to school from that address. That helps everyone. They will maintain and plow there own lot no costing tax payers a dime. These are cash cows for the community. The guy living next door to you might be paying 9,000 in property taxes (5,000 in school taxes) but could send three children to school. Each child in NY costs over 16,000 per year. So your neighbor is costing everyone 48,000 per year for those 3 children. Which makes a better neighbor (financially)even with COMIDA?

SCATS said...

To 8:31PM ~~ For each year they get a taxbreak, we get to make up the difference. It's not like these businesses don't use services either. Police, fire and other services are theirs at a reduced rate. Your idea of a "cash cow" is more akin to a cash goat ... BAAAAH!

Anonymous said...

And if they didn't build, using your logic you would be making up even more money since the property would be generating even less taxes vacent!

Charlie Hubbard said...

to 8:31 (anonymous)
My point was, is, and will continue to be that these figures you are making up are not known by those elected to look after taxpayer $$. Is there any infrastructure changes needed for this 'retail' outlet? Why don't we know? Cost to taxpayers will be? Benefit to taxpayers will be? The reason those we elect to look after taxpayer $$ are not on record (pro or con) on a project like this is?
The reason why the unelected members of the County of Monroe *IDUSTRIAL* Development Agency is involved in approving *retail* outlets tax levy rather than our elected officials is??????
If you just give straight answers and stick to the subject matter you won't be so tired.

SCATS said...

To Chasrlie Hubbard ~~ TOUCHE!!

Anonymous said...

It's easy to give tax breaks when you keep increasing user fees....$100 to register a car - I remember when it was $20. Everybody talks about taxes, but we keep paying more and more for "non taxes." Look how much the county charges to file a deed, etc. It's highway robbery I tell ya...highway robbery!!

SCATS said...

To 6:22PM ~~ You are 100% correct! Taxes AND fees. My landline bill is now at a point where I'm seriously considering dumping it strictly because the monthly bill is now 27% TAXES & FEES!!

Anonymous said...

6:22 You must have a really big car. Mine was $55 for the 2 years. Those of us using the roads have to pay the fee for our cars being registered to use the roads.
I of course agree that the government is waaaay overpriced. They keep adding new ideas for expenses to "save " us money. Like the latest from the prez to save us from college expenses by monitoring the cost of each university to possibly exclude their students from getting govt aid. He is really proposing a new federal agency with many employees. All the colleges will have to hire more people to fill out the paperwork. Just stop giving out the unsubsidized loans and let the market decide where the students will attend. If they can't afford the private school they will go to the more affordable school. And don't worry about harvard etc. Their alums will still donate for their creme de la creme and "senators sons".

Anonymous said...

Dear Comida, how about a tax relief for our Greece Schools? The mail yesterday included a "slick" fro the GCSD that mentions that Longridge elementary school has THREE principals. Not sure why we need that much top-heavy administration in a single elementary school. Back in the dark ages, when our children were going to a K-6 school, there was one principal. Why three now?

A Comida grant would sure help reduce the tax burden for us and pay for all this luxury.

SCATS said...

To 10:50AM ~~ They hoped you wouldn't notice ... just like we still have almost the same number of teachers, despite HUGE declines in enrollment.