Tuesday, May 21, 2013

Greece Cops Gone Too Far?



"Fxxk it! You're under arrest!"

LOCATION: In front of Olympia HS
DATE: May 15, 2013
SOURCE: Davy V.

SCATS ~~ I've watched this video several times. It appears to me that this student WAS walking and the cops stopped him because they didn't like the DIRECTION he was headed in - towards them. I know Olympia HS has its issues, but this is ridiculous when our kids can't walk home from school without fear of intimidation, assault & arrest at the hands of those who are supposed to serve, protect and guide all. Worse yet, the female cop is our "youth officer."
  

34 comments:

Anonymous said...

Damn good thing Officer Woofie wasn't on that job.

Anonymous said...

Of course Davy V leaves out the whole story, and got you Hook, Line, and Sinker. Do you really think this kid was just walking down the road minding his own business? This video was taken on day a large fight was planned between Athena and Olympia students, and the Pd was dispersing the Crowd in the area. As obvious in this video these kids have no respect for authority, all this kid had to do was as he was told by the officers, plain and simple. SCATS you said in a previous post a comment about Teachers refuse to be part of the discipline solution, how can they, these kids won't even follow direction from a Police Officer.

SCATS said...

To 2:10PM ~~ As I inquired about last week (Facebook friends were asking), the "big fight" was the day after this video was shot.

Any other "theories?"

By the way, the cop pushed that kid back without any reason. That kind of action is intended to INTENSIFY the reaction of the kid, thereby giving the cop a more obvious reason to take him down and charge him with other "offenses." To his credit, this young man kept his cool!

Anonymous said...

How about THIS "theory"? If the kid had followed the cops' initial request to "move along" he wouldn't even BE within "pushing range."

Anonymous said...

wrong, the day after the fight another was rumored to be planned. admin from multiple schools gathered to prevent it, I imagine police were called and again asked the student to keep walking. Scats you speak with a forked tongue about "the good old days of discipline" yet you think the officer was in the wrong???
the cop did nothing wrong, when told to keep walking the student gives lip and does not. This is part of the problem. No respect for police, teachers, anyone. The police can ask you to leave an area and remove you if you don't.

Anonymous said...

As a District employee involved in this mess over two days, I have a few comments.
1) Video is great but what preceded the edited or shortened version of what is posted? I was deeply involved in both days!
2) Sorry SCATs, you weren't there and you have responded with comments inappropriate because you do not possess all the facts as I stated in number 1.
3) The fight was attempted two consecutive days - and thankfully, due to the diligence of security, admin, and GPD - it was halted both days
4) There were around 75 - 150 Oly, Ath, Arc, and Hilton students congregating each day.
5) When LEO's tell ya to leave you do! You don't swear at em, refuse, challenge, or defy!
In other post you call for us in schools to teach and enforce respect and tolerance. Yet when we do you post this crap with no investigation or follow-up to understand. Which do you prefer - consequences or inaction?

SCATS said...

To 3:05PM ~~ When I view that video, I see a KID WALKING. I don't hear him being disrespectful at all.

To 5:21PM ~~ I don't believe they were successful if things were as you say. Thus the large number of both cop cars & ambulances seen at Olympia the DAY AFTER THE VIDEO.

Again, I watched the video, I don't see the student doing anything that rises to the level of needing to be put on the ground, arested, yada, yada, yada.

FYI, I understand Baxter refuses to discuss this case. TYPICAL.

There are a number of comments that won't be posted for name-calling, threatening, and making claims that I don't have the full story (without then telling us all WHAT THAT STORY IS), or that I've bought into "a pack of lies" without telling us what lies or what the "truth" is. Interestingly, most of those comments were received within minutes of each other during two timeframes. My suspicion is they came from the same individual anyway.

Anonymous said...

It does not matter much whether there was a disturbance, there is no evidence on the tape at least- that this person is being unruly. Cops just asserting power over others. This not good policing> It uses the least force needed to get the best result. We are never obliged to bow to cops just because they are cops.

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SCATS said...

To 7:57PM ~~ I tend to agree.

To 7:59PM ~~ AGAIN, tell us what YOU KNOW! Don't go trying to tell us now that this kid was possibly a known trouble-maker. For all we know, maybe YOU are a known trouble-maker. I'm getting that feeling since you don't step up with specifics but then try to claim the student deserved it.

POPPYCOCK!!

SCATS said...

REMINDER: I do NOT post threatening remarks!

Anonymous said...

To 8:04 re: 7:59 SCAT's
I am merely pointing out that you are viewing an incident through a straw. The video is a glimpse from a student's point of view.
And is usually the case with sound bites, video clips , and hearsay - many conclusions are formed that are not accurate nor do they include all the pertinent info.
My only intent is that you don't foment anger and misinformation based on a short video that does not entail the entire event that occurred over 48 hours.
Please be a little more investigative when accepting video but banning my posts!
You are doing good work here, I have fed you good, honest, inside info. I do not appreciate being posted when it's in your best interest, but being banned when it is not.
We don't have to agree but we have to respect each others position! If you would like to continue to receive what you have from me - you will post all my opinions - regardless of our agreement or my rebuttals.

Anonymous said...

I know that female is not the youth officer nor has she ever been like your tile says. Worse yet the youth officer is a man. Maybe you should update the tile.

SCATS said...

To 7:54PM ~~ Or maybe someone should tell Baxter ;)

Anonymous said...

Go check out the little Angel on twitter @corey_mccloud

Anonymous said...

Those of you who post in defense of this student obviously don't work with the youth of today. While it is possible the student has done nothing wrong, the mentality of today's youth is to not follow direction, but defy it while their friend is video taping it so they can possibly get their Emily Good moment. Technology has once again drawn in you suckers for controversy.

what I see in this video is a student who was not walking away from an incident, but walking toward it. When asked to move the other way, he tried to flex his "I have rights muscles" thinking everyone would bow down to him. It didn't work out that way for him. Our youth truly believes that they can get away with whatever they want.

How can you tell teachers that they need to teach discipline when you are supporting the very negative behaviors you want us to fix. Very hypocritical.

SCATS said...

To 5/22/2013 6:51 PM ~~ That isn't my intent! Due to cable & power outages related to the T-storms, I've had difficulty accessing the BLOG for substantial periods of time and plowing through the LARGE NUMBER of comments received in the wake of GCSD elections. However, there are quite a number of comments that will NOT be posted due to name-calling, personal attacks on me, another blogger, the student, etc.
Also, I will not accept/post remarks that are meant to bully/intimidate/threaten me & my family! Interestingly, those kind usually come on threads about Greece cops, hmmm ... imagine that!!!!

You might find it interesting to know that Capt. Phelan has condemned the use of the "F" bomb by the Greece cop & claims he will be dealt with. On the other hand, Phelan also claims this kid was arrested for assuming a "fighting stance." GIVE ME A BREAK!!!

To 9:56PM ~~ I checked that out long before posting, TYVM.

To 12:51AM ~~ THANK YOU FOR ADMITTING "it is possible the student has done nothing wrong."!!!
I suspect it is PROBABLE!!

I'm tired of people who ASSUME that ALL STUDENTS are trouble-makers, ALL PARENTS are tuned-out, ALL COPS/TEACHERS/ETC. are always right! That simply is NOT the reality!!

There is NO EVIDENCE the student is "walking toward" any incident in that video! There are NO crowds behind the cops. Arresting a person is quite easy for any cop to do. Making it stick is quite another story!

Anonymous said...

No evidence the student was walking towards any incident?!?!? What evidence could there possibly be even a crowd in the background would mean nothing. You can take Davy V's word or actually watch the video and count how many times he was told to keep walking. I stopped counting at 9 times by several different cops there is your evidence. Posting the video only shows his buddy doing wrong I'm sure the court will love the evidence. He was told to leave he refused and was arrested period. If I'm diving down the road and a cop is blocking the road telling me to go the other way I don't argue then try to drive around him.

Anonymous said...

But all teachers are always wrong. Gotcha.

SCATS said...

To 2:21PM ~~ Yes, that is correct. I watched the video over 6 times BEFORE posting anything. I don't take Davy V's or anyone else's word for things I can easily see for myself. By the way, he was only issued an appearance ticket, so even the cops must not have felt it was such a big deal ;)

To 3:09PM ~~ I've yet to hear any Greece teacher EVER take responsibility for anything awry in our schools. High rates of teacher absenteeism? NOT THEIR FAULT! Lack of discipline in the classroom? NOT THEIR FAULT!! Poor communication with parents? NOT THEIR FAULT!! RISING TAXES? NOT THEIR FAULT!! See how that works? ;)

Anonymous said...

Sorry, but Greece is a sh..hole. It used to be a such a nice town.
Signed, Former Greece Resident

Anonymous said...

9:36 wrote: "Sorry, but Greece is a sh..hole. It used to be a such a nice town. Signed, Former Greece Resident"
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Heyyyyy, it's OUR sh..hole and we LOVE wallowing in it. We're glad you moved out! More room for the rest of us to wallow around. (g)

SCATS said...

To 12:18PM ~~ Typical ...

Anonymous said...

Your description of this town is overly generous. For those of you who think you should not bow down to directions from cops just because they are cops, you are ignorant of what they represent. IT'S CALLED THE LAW! When a cop tells you to move along in a public area or crime or accident scene, that is a Lawful Order. As such, you are required to do as ordered. In not doing so, you are not challenging the officer or the uniform or badge he wears, but the Laws those items represent. Thus, under the law, you become subject to being arrested for refusing to obey a lawful command, resulting in being placed in hand cuffs.

After watching the video, it was clear to me that this is what took place. It
was also clear that the plain clothes officer initially had no intention of making an arrest for failure to comply, hoping the kid would listen and comply. However, it was also clear to me that a verbal exchange took place between the officer and student which was offensive to the officer and the shoving incident took place. This, in my opinion, was a bad reaction by the officer involved as now he had no option but to place the subject under arrest because he had made physical contact with him. A bad reaction on his part as he had to know or should have known, that he was the victim of a set-up by a cell phone camera in the hands of a cop hater.

SCATS said...

To 5:47PM ~~ You say: "It
was also clear that the plain clothes officer initially had no intention of making an arrest ..."

Please explain in detail what you saw in that video that made that "clear" to you.

Re: "... it was also clear to me that a verbal exchange took place between the officer and student which was offensive to the officer ..."

Again, please explain in detail what you heard in that video that made that "clear" to you.

I know exactly what was said and the young man was NEVER verbally disrespectful.

Anonymous said...

Scats, since neither of us were there we must make our judgments on what was
portrayed on the video that was actually shown. You on the other hand may, as is usually the case on this blog, have been subjected to third party say so and choose to accept that as gospel. People have a tendency to see and hear what they want which boils down to you see it your way and I saw it my way.
Let's leave it at that.

While we're in the Q&A mode, let me pose one to you. Why is it you hate Greece Police Officers as much as you obviously do?? Please tell us. There has to be an underlying reason, possibly personal, for you total disrespect and condemnation of the entire group.

SCATS said...

To 10:50AM ~~ I'm going to assume you wrote in at 5/24/2013 5:47 PM, since you didn't state what you are referring to.

Let's see ... instead of BACKING UP YOUR CONTENTIONS with the specifics I requested, you are making claims about how I "usually" come to my conclusions about different topics ... and then you have the nerve to ask me to answer your questions!? LMAO!!

Let's face it: as is so TYPICAL on here, people like you write in making claims THEY CAN NOT BACK UP AFTER THEY MAKE THEM!!!

I know quite specifically what I saw and heard on that video. No "third party say so" was considered, since I watched the video several times without any other info ;)

By the way, your "questions" are so off-base and lacking of evidence to back them that they are nothing but a lame attempt to defame, malign, villify, libel and traduce me.

Anonymous said...

The kid didn't follow the instructions of a police officer. Case closed. If they could do the same thing to the little angels in middle and high school that think they can say or do anything they want; Greece could turn this education problem around. And SCatTs; your defending this kid only adds to the problem.

SCATS said...

To 6:08PM ~~ I don't subscribe to the notion that authority figures never make mistakes. I believe these cops did. I stick by my beliefs.

Anonymous said...

I am sorry you found my question so disturbing. It was a simple question based on fact. There can be no doubt about your negativity toward the GPD and its Chief of Police. One could fill a large file with your many expressions of personal dislike for these guys and gals as posted on this site under the title of Scats. As for your questions directed at me, I believe that I more than adequately answered them.

As for your claim that I was engaging in libel, vilification and defamation of you, I find that rather amusing. Even if true, which is not the case, it's quite difficult to engage in these practices against someone I do not know and is only known to me as Scats.

SCATS said...

To 7:51PM ~~ Once again, you attempt to dodge the issues YOU brought up by twisting things back onto me about a completely different subject. The QUESTIONS asked relate to the specifics of WHAT YOU SAW & HEARD IN THE VIDEO that lead you to emphatically state that so many things "are clear" to you. I want to know WHAT THOSE THINGS ARE!!! YOU REFUSE TO TELL US!! So ... I can only assume it's because you are blowing smoke through the wrong orifice again.

SCATS said...

To 7:51PM ~~ This thread is about GPD as related to a video. You made certain statements you want us to believe are factual based upon how "clear" this video shows you certain things. I've asked you TWICE to tell us what you saw/heard that supports your stance. Instead of responding to that, you lamely attempted to attack the BLOG & its BLOGGER & followers. THAT'S NOT THE TOPIC!! So your rants won't be posted.

I KNEW ALL ALONG YOU COULDN'T DEMONSTRATE HOW "CLEAR" ANYTHING WAS! ;) Nice try though, better luck next time.

Anonymous said...

12:51 here. I can't believe I am going to say this but I do slightly agree with you SCATS. Not every teacher is perfect and not every town employee is perfect. When I defend teachers, it is because I am one of the teachers who takes pride in teaching in the district, have my own children in the district, and want it to be recognized for all the good that there is and not just the bad. I work with some amazingly dedicated teachers who often put their own family and lives on hold so they can work with students after the contractual school day is over.

What I also know is that Parents are largely responsible for this behavior. Usually not because they encourage their children to do it, but because they either exemplifiy it, or they don't address/correct it when it happens.

We ALL need to work together to control these types of situations and remedy some other problems you point out. Parents, teachers, neighbors, law enforcement, etc. If everyone is on the same page and consistent, we will see a big improvement overall. Will it be overnight? Absolutely not, but it can happen if we ALL work on correcting it.

SCATS said...

To 10:46AM ~~ TY for the "slight" agreement lol ... I agree with your last paragraph, but doubt it will happen in Greece within the next 10 years. For decades, our town has been divided up, pitting one group against another by the powers that be.

Two points I'd like to make about your other remarks. The first is that while I do agree that a parent's job is to teach/discipline their children, I also know that when in the care of other adults, it becomes THAT PERSON'S JOB in the absence of the parent. On here (and in the board room), it often begins to sound as if the parent is responsible WHEN THE CHILD IS AT SCHOOL. How can that be?? IT CAN'T!! Children are NOT perfect and they are gonna mess up. It won't always be in the presence of the parent, so teachers, administrators and others must step up and DISCIPLINE THE KIDS! They must also be careful to be the best role models they can be!

My second point is that while I'm sure there are great teachers, good cops, etc. I'm also 100% CERTAIN THERE ARE SOME WHO SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THEIR JOBS!! I find it very disturbing that cops, teachers and others will PROTECT EACH OTHER THROUGH THEIR SILENCE when they know full well that a colleague isn't fit to continue on! That behavior impacts our sense of trust, potentially endangers our kids and others AND makes the good employees shine less brightly as a result.