Tuesday, May 21, 2013

AS PREDICTED, APATHY WINS IN GREECE!!!

      
 Only 3108 Voted!

Who told the media this whopper?: "Voters approved a $205 million budget with a less than one percent tax rate increase."

By a vote of 1728 to 1380, Greece Central School District voters approved a $205,511,990 spending plan for the 2013-14 school year. The budget increases spending by 3.24% and carries a projected tax rate of $23.55 per $1,000 of assessed value.
 
Also approved by a vote of 1722 in favor and 1376 against was a bus purchase proposition that authorizes the district to replace 29 buses – eighteen 66-passenger buses, six 20-passenger buses and five 30-passenger buses at a cost not to exceed $2,390,673. Of that amount, $495,000 will come from the district’s previously established bus purchase reserve fund.
 
Preliminary results from the Board of Education election show incumbent Gale O’Toole with 2202 votes and newcomer Terry Melore with 2132 each winning three-year terms to begin July 1. Because only two candidates ran for three open Board seats, voters were asked to write in a third name. The write-in candidate with the most votes will be asked to join the Board. Write in ballots will be counted tomorrow morning at 9 a.m. The outcome will be announced later that morning.
 
SCATS ~~ Interesting that they've announced two "winners" without knowing how many votes the write-ins got! Maybe they operate using ESP? What happens if two write-ins get more votes than one or both of the named candidates??
  

35 comments:

Anonymous said...

It's been said here as often as anywhere else: We get what we deserve. That said, I'd love to know how our district, alone, gets local media to spin the (then) proposed tax increase as only being 1%. I couldn't believe when I saw that on the news earlier today.

Anonymous said...

Obviously, for the people who cared enough to vote, this IS what they wanted.

SCATS said...

To 7:12AM ~~ They are referred to as the "in school vote." They usually work in the building, or come in to pick-up/drop-off their kids.

No matter how you slice it, it's no "mandate."

Anonymous said...

I feel your pain SCATS....lol

Anonymous said...

The write ins are about to be tallied. Lets see the totals and outcomes there. At my polling location it was stated when giving me voting instructions that both the candidates on the ballot were incumbents - not accurate of course...

Anonymous said...

In an earlier post, I predicted a voter turn out of 3650. WOW! Unbelievable, but not surprising. Residents of this town have absolutely no interest or pride in
what goes on here. Greece has now earned and, deservedly so, the title
of the smallest, large town in Monroe County. NO BODY CARES!!!!

Charlie Hubbard said...

Now that the money has been approved I sure hope improvement in educational results are demanded by the community.

Anonymous said...

What was the previous amount per $1,000 ? I voted and voted yes. There is no way a 2 write in candidates will get more then the 2 who were on the ballot and the write in is going to be asked to join not automatically on he board but the 2 running are. Side question I know homeowners pay school tax, renters don't. Who pays for renters share of school tax does apartment complex owner? Do they pay same amount as a home owner or are they getting a tax break??

Anonymous said...

just posted on gcsd website:


"With 137 write-in votes, Frank Oberg has accepted the third open Board seat."

SCATS said...

To 8:58AM ~~ GCSD couldn't run a truthful vote if their State Aid depended upon it!

To 9:29AM ~~ When I predicted that turnout would be an embarrassment to the community, I was thinking 2500-3000 votes. Next year's goal: under 2500 ;)

To Charlie ~~ I don't see or hear the Greece community EVER demand anything, except to get screwed all over again.

To 10:44AM ~~ I think it was on the order of $23.38. George Hubbard can tell us, I'm sure. No, the highest write-in vote getter isn't "asked to join" ... they ask if that person is willing to serve. Yes, the owner's pay the tax and we're supposed to believe that a renter pays via their rent. I'm not sure about tax breaks ... nothing would surprise me.

To 11:05AM ~~ TY for that info. My God they really buried it! lol

Anonymous said...

9:27 has just hit on the new town motto for all those "Welcome to Greece:" signs:

Where Nobody Cares

Anonymous said...

Scats, Oh dearie me, look what the cat dragged in! A while back I suggested that you recommend NO votes on your blog. As I recall, you were hesitant to do so as you didn't think you had enough clout to be a factor. Well you finally gave it a shot, to your credit, by the way, and stuck your neck out and urged your followers to vote no on the budget and bus proposition. You also urged a no vote for Oberg and in so doing,
devoted the better part of a thread ripping him a new one in the process. I remember warning you back then that this may well result in a backlash of sorts
against you. Given the fact that he won, even you must admit two things. Frank won in spite of your comments and that by giving him exposure on your site, you may have actually helped him.

In summary, I think it is fair to say that this blog has absolutely no impact on major decisions made by residents of this backward town. Going 0 for 3 is a pretty bad batting average in any league. It's back to the minors for you. After six long years, even the best of us get old and in need of a well deserved rest to regroup and reevaluate our effectiveness and attitudes.

SCATS said...

To 2:37PM ~~ Your comments are among the more wacko remarks received lately. First you attribute (wrongly) Oberg's "victory" to this BLOG then you suggest the BLOG has no impact! SMH LMAO!!

Your confusion might be a medical issue. GET HELP!

Anonymous said...

Hey, I have a good way to get our point across and show we care about our town! Let's start a 6 year anonymous blog where we bash everything from our retirement recliner and NEVER offer any suggestions to better the situation.

Very cowardly if you ask me.

Anonymous said...

We don't really "vote" on the school budget. The reality is there is a very small fraction that is "optional spending" per the state laws/regualations.
We should not be spending money to open the polls to vote when no matter the outcome the amount is nearly the same. Other than the bus purchase voters do not have direct vote on school budgets, contrary to what Jody Seagle says.
We do not have a say when it comes to school spending, the state is in control.

Anonymous said...

Scats, you appear to be licking your wounds and refuse to post any factual comments regarding the outcome of this budget vote and election that relate to your recommendations. Very courageous of you. As I have said before, this site has NO impact whatsoever in influencing the thinking of the INTELLIGENT people who follow this blog. C'Mon, be a good sport and post the ones that are critical yet not overboard personally.

SCATS said...

To 1:11AM ~~ Retirement recliner? LMAO!! I wish!! By the way, don't look now, but it's been 7 1/2 years, dozens of SCANDALS later ;)

I have often posted suggestions. Just because you didn't like them doesn't make them invalid :)

THIS BLOG IS MY PERSONAL CONTRIBUTION TO THE GREECE COMMUNITY. IT IS A VOLUNTEER EFFORT on my part. I receive MANY personal requests for info, help, suggestions DESPITE those who attempt to discredit its impact.

Here's a snippet from one of the many private messages sent to me earlier today: "I just wanted to send you a note. Thank you for talking to me about this stuff last month with my son and the school. It is hard for me because for the most part I am doing this all alone. I get frustrated and lost at times. It is a hard system to work within. You renewed my confidence and I am pushing ahead.
Thank you so much!!"


Comments like that SHOW ME I DO make a difference, more than any BOE member likely ever will :D

SCATS said...

By the way 1:11AM, NO ONE ASKED YOU!

To 9:33AM ~~ I'd edit your remark to say that outside of CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS, there is little leeway.

To 10:12AM ~~ You have a very skewed view of "facts"!

First of all, contrary to your suggestion, I have no "wounds to lick." Perhaps you do though ;) At least that is the tenor of your comment telling me you feel slighted and ignored! lol

I have had some issues with cable connections/power in lieu of the T-storms the last couple of days. It's left me behind in plowing through the large number of comments received post-vote day.

To that end, I'm not posting redudant rhetoric that says the same thing 6 times in a row and posted within 5 minutes! It's obvious someone is trying to make people believe there is more support for a certain view than there really is. Also, the name-calling/bullying/threatening and other inappropriate remarks get deep sixed, as has been customary.

SCATS said...

On a different topic, what about the fact that the budget passed by a mere 348 votes?? That in-school vote the admin. counts on to keep things going is rapidly disappearing, even in a time when there was no big effort to get out the "NO" voters!

Anonymous said...

You can spin it any way you want, but my point was made and you well know it.

What I was referring to was the obvious reverse impact that may have occurred in response to your urging voters to support your recommendations of no votes for
the budget, bus proposition and Oberg.

Judging by some of the comments so far, it would appear that may have happened with regard to Oberg. Hardly something I believe you would like to take credit
for as a positive impact created by this blog. In the scheme of things, I stand by my original
remarks that the Scats blog remains inconsequential when it comes to important matters in this town. And you know, that's really too bad because if it was
properly operated, without the injection of your personal biases, it could really become a great service to this town. Think about it.

SCATS said...

To 2:30PM ~~ You remind me of a middle school student given an assignment to write a persuasive essay! Just because YOU SAY YOU MADE YOUR POINT does NOT MEAN A THING! You've got to back it up with SPECIFIC FACTUAL examples and show us. You can't, so you just rant over and over with the same tired tune.

Again, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS! You give me "credit" for Oberg's "win" then claim the BLOG is "inconsequential." What's actually very amusing is watching the hit counter spin faster and faster and faster while watching DO RUN to make chanhges when criticized ON here for Babs posting do many images of herself on the new website! That's just one SMALL example. There are hundreds upon hundreds of them that I've observed over the years.

By the way, further posts from you saying the same crapple yet again, won't be posted.

Oberg's 137 votes are 1000% "INCONSEQUENTIAL." ;)

Anonymous said...

I really don't care so much anymore, as I've since removed myself (and more importantly my kids) from the mess that is GCSD. That said, it is comical to see a reader/poster who continues to show up at the site over and over, yet write how the site doesn't matter. When I was in Greece, this site and it's commentary were quite often the topic of conversation among parents, especially when killing time at things like kids sports practices. To say it doesn't matter, or that it has no influence in a district that continues to crumble (and yes, your district has been bad for a long time and IS getting worse-the stats don't lie) is really pathetic. I compare it to a community that tries to make fun of the police for not being able to catch a criminal. Why would anyone root for the criminal in that scenario? The dysfunction in your town is not the people complaining and wanting change, it's people who continue to applaud and reward poor performance.

SCATS said...

To 8:22AM ~~ THANK YOU VERY MUCH for stating that in different words! Perhaps yours will be better heard :)

Anonymous said...

Scats. For how many years have you been harping on here about the apathy in Greece? Have you seen any improvement in that time? If not, it might be time to give up, huh?

SCATS said...

To 9:32PM ~~ It's never been my goal to overcome voter apathy. I'm not sure where you got the idea that it was.

Anonymous said...

I never specifically mentioned VOTER apathy. I guess from all the comments from you about apathy (in general) in Greece, I sort of "assumed" (I know, I know) that were against it. Guess not.

SCATS said...

To 1:42PM ~~ This thread is about the results of the vote & the apathy of the voters. Thus the notion that we were talking about VOTER apathy ;)

Try to keep up ... I'll try to slow down for you :)

Anonymous said...

SCATS: Just what are the GOALS of the persons who run this blog site for the past seven years??

SCATS said...

To 4:31PM ~~ This BLOG wasn't offered to fulfill any set of specific "goals" per se. There's no "strategic framework" here.

Rather the intent was to provide an alternative place where one's voice, concerns, items of interest, questions, etc. could be heard or shared when the status quo doesn't work, doesn't care, becomes intimidating or threatening, etc. Over time, it's been expanded from strictly GCSD related topics to any facet of Greece govt, services, etc.

Anonymous said...

Speaking just for myself, this blog has helped to bring back something we used to have years ago in our schools: communication among concerned families, that helped to keep everyone accountable. This is something that the district had helped to break up through its divide and conquer methods (i.e. school of choice and lottery schools).

SCATS said...

To 10:31AM ~~ Thank you :)

As a side note: I find it most amusing that the existence of this BLOG is purposely not mentioned in public, especially at BOE or other meetings! It's as if by not acknowledging its presence will somehow make it less popular than it has become! Just another sign of Greece's DYSFUNCTION JUNCTION mentality!

Anonymous said...

An opinion (I'll open the floodgates),
The reason for Blogs such as this not being validated as realistic unbiased open discussion is simple, it is fact that when any editing or filtering of posts occurs, the legitimacy of a Blog and all posts becomes suspect. A moderator whom only posts those opinions that satisfy a specific agenda or ridicules those with opposing views cannot be taken seriously. I'll reiterate a statement made long ago that was never posted. There are nearly 100,00 residents of Greece. As a percentage, how many post or even read this blog? Why is that? Can Scats provide any data that would lead us to believe that anything more than a very small percentage of our Town's population read this or more so, even care what's been posted here!

SCATS said...

To 6:10PM ~~ First of all, I take exception to your unproven contention about reiterating "a statement made long ago that was never posted." There are SOME OF YOU who can't seem to keep track of WHERE YOU POST YOUR OWN COMMENTS ... then make false claims that I didn't post them! I'm not responsible for your blackouts, memory lapses, medication issues, etc.

As for your ridiculous contention that the barometer of the importance of this BLOG is based upon the number of people who comment or the percentage of the Town's residents who read it is nothing but plain poppycock!! We just had an election for BOE and a school district budget that exceeds $200 million and barely 3100 bothered to vote!!!

As for stats, this BLOG is averaging more traffic/day than ever before!!! 800,000 pageviews is coming very, very soon :D

And for the record, that is for just a fraction of the time this BLOG has been around, Google stats didn't start providing the data until rather recently.

Now, let's return to the topic of this thread, even though 6:10 PM has difficulty talking about any topic aside from SCATS.

Anonymous said...

8:22Yyou did what you had to do. However, you make one relevant point regarding this blog's impact. You talk about parents who are killing time who talk about comments on this site, parents at soccer games, etc. That's great but not going to make one bit of difference in those situations .The talk should take place at a board meeting where they can raise their concerns in public at the public forum. If this was regularly done, maybe this format would get the attention it deserves and force the necessary changes as they see them. As it stands now, the board and district are getting a free ride as no one comes forward and speaks out. Until the parents do, nothing will ever change.

SCATS said...

To 10:51AM ~~ Give me a break!! Parents have seldom complained to the BOE in Greece (before SCATS)unless it was about some specific cut in programs/services OR the union used them for their purposes. With SCATS, they still do those things.

What 8:22 didn't mention, probably because they couldn't know, is that this BLOG is also quite frequently discussed by GREECE CENTRAL EMPLOYEES!! More of them are becoming followers via Facebook all of the time.

NO ONE TALKS TO OUR CURRENT BOE - NOT PARENTS ... NOT RESIDENTS ... NOT EVEN THE UNION REPS! Why?? Because the current BOE is USELESS!!