Thursday, March 21, 2013

Odyssey Parents Befuddled By Message

 
In Greece Central, You are Guilty Until Proven Innocent

The automated message shown below was received at 7PM Wednesday evening with NO reference to what class, the name of the substitute or any other info to help parents know who was involved, when the incident/s happened, which class, etc. How can a parent know if there was a potential mistake made when nothing is said to tell them specifically what their child allegedly did?

"If you are receiving this message your child disrupted instruction last week resulting in the substitute teacher withdrawing her name from working at Odyssey. As a result, There will be detention this Saturday March 23 from 9AM-12PM at Odyssey in room G35. Students will spend the morning reading, writing and discussing character, reputation and respect. In addition they will be writing letters of apology. Failure to attend Saturday's detention will result in out of school suspension for 3 days the week of March 25. If your child does not behave at Saturday detention, your child will be sent home and receive three days out of school suspension next week. A letter will be coming home with your child reiterating this message."
   
 SCATS ~~ Obviously, GCSD administrators have NO IDEA what actually happened in that chassroom. How do we know? First of all, because the incident happened last week & it took until Wednesday night of this week to respond! Secondly, the failure to mention which class on what specific day/time and exactly what misbehavior was exhibited shows this is another "too little, too late" response to this district's continued troubles with getting a handle on bullying and discipline. Parents have a right to know WHAT their student allegedly did BEFORE doling out punishment.
  

32 comments:

Anonymous said...

I'm not implying that the teacher isn't reporting what happened accuratly, but why in the world wouldn't it have been dealt with immediately? "You, you and you, grab your belongings and report to the vice principal's office now! I will be down to speak with you guys and the vice principal shortly". By now it's very likely a reaction to gossip and hype that's been added around the school and things other kids have told their parents since the events.

Anonymous said...

Will the entire teaching staff be forced to attend this detention as well?????

Anonymous said...

So let me get this straight this behavior, that happens at ATHENA also, is actually punished and acknowledged at OA. This is yet another example of how this school functions as a private school with in the public system. I am so angered by what is accepted at ATHENA and swept under the rug. I guess only matter in this district if it happens at OA and a sub pulls their name from the bldg. PERHAPS DO should examine why parents are pulling kids from the district, it is for the same reason the sub will not loner work in that bldg, yet the madness continues.

SCATS said...

At this point, what some people are telling me via FB & other sources is that TWO subs had a bad day at Odyssey so ALL of the students from those classes will be punished. Interestingly, the classroom teacher was supposed to call parents yesterday, but FAILED TO DO SO.

Seems to me that the teacher should be reporting for detention for NOT doing her job!

Anonymous said...

I believe the first sentence says it all minus the disgusting details that took place. Disruption is disruption. It can take many forms. Those responsible and their parents know who they are. The entire class probably participated. When the realignment took place, this was, in my opinion, a predictable outcome that they should have seen coming(the district) and be prepared to deal with the fallout instead of hoping it would not happen. To my way of thinking, this indicates that they are clueless as to how to deal with the problems of the equivalent of a typical inner city school problem. They better get this figured out because it's not going to get better in years to come as GCSD evolves rapidly into an urban suburban school culture.

Anonymous said...

What's happening throughout the district is that it is now paying the
price for systematically purging the remaining male teachers and replacing them with young female teachers who lack the maturity to deal with today's students. This practice has been going on for over ten years and is by design by an overwhelmingly female administration. Until they alter this discriminatory policy and start hiring some male teachers who represent what's missing in most of these students’ family circumstances, incidents of this nature will continue unabated. These kids need male role models that they will respect not a substitute mother figure for six or seven hours.

Anonymous said...

What is wrong with making kids accountable for their actions/behavior. There is something wrong with the style of parenting that constantly puts the blame on the school/teachers. What happens in a few years when these students are in the work force and have a bad day...will mommy call and complain to manangement? If my child was in that classroom and disrupted instruction, I would expect him/her to serve a detention.

SCATS said...

To 2:19PM ~~ Due to the ridiculous OVERUSE & ABUSE of automated calls this year, parents can't know WHO did what. ALL parents got the call just because their kid was in the room. Your ASSumption about the entire class participating is typical of those who promote further dysfunction around here ... often union folks making $$ in jobs where THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE MAKING THINGS BETTER. I do agree about them having no clue about how to handle these situations. But then why would they? Our "average teacher" is a young female, in her 20's with NO KIDS of her own.

To 2:25PM ~~ You mean bus drivers & janitors & drinking coaches don't make good role models?? Just kidding! You made a great point ;)

To 4:14PM ~~ Nothing is wrong with making the INSTIGATORS & PERPETRATORS accountable. It's the innocent bystanders who had their academic time stolen from them that day who shouldn't have to pay twice.

Anonymous said...

Can you say 'alternative school'
Can you say 'conduct expectations' and MEAN IT?

Anonymous said...

Our "average teacher" is a young female, in her 20's with NO KIDS of her own.

I don't think this is the case SCATS. GCSD has not hired new teachers in several years. I would guess our "average" teacher is much older and more experienced then you think.

SCATS said...

To 7:05PM ~~ That's not what parents tell me. Even if you are correct that we haven't hired in several years, the ones hired 5 years ago would still be under 30.

SCATS said...

CORRECTION .. to my UPDATE:

UPDATE:
Well, well, well ... it seems GCSD sent out automated calls to families of students who were not involved! At least one person who pursued this has learned their child does NOT need to report for detention on Saturday, because he/she was NOT involved! It was only AFTER the parent started asking questions that their child was "cleared."

Could school personnel be any more incompetent? If the subs (I'm hearing THREE as of now) can't correctly identify the students then maybe detention should be canceled ...?

Anonymous said...

This, unfortunately, is a societal and universal problem amongst almost all area schools. The behaviors and lack of functionality in families certainly impact the value of education and respect (or lack thereof). You could not pay me to be a substitute teacher. This is very troubling indeed.

Anonymous said...

So, if I push you around and force you to do something in school or on the bus, it's bullying.

If I and a bunch of my pals gang up and force you to give us your lunch every day, that's a UNION.

If some incompetent broad can't perform the job she is being paid to, that's Normal.

When my sorority sisters have a bad day, it's somebody elses fault. Because we are a sorority it's OK to bully a bunch of kids who acted as kids do.

Sounds like pure crap to me.

SCATS said...

To 11:12PM ~~ By Jove, I think you've got it! Welcome to Greece ... "Discover the Promise" ... ;)

Anonymous said...

All you need to know about Greece teacher dysfunction can be gleaned from the photographs in the "Envision Greece" strategic plan:

http://www.greece.k12.ny.us/files/news/envision%20greece%20final.pdf

For instance, look at the picture on page 11. These are adult professionals, college-educated and graduated, participating in a professional development seminar. And what are they doing? Making some sort of contraption out of construction paper and sticky notes, with colorful crayons or felt-tip pens to write with.

It's no wonder that my kids were still doing colorful collage projects as juniors and seniors in high school. The teachers think that this is what you do as serious professionals improving your professional leadership competencies!

Seriously, flip through the strategic plan like it's Playboy; just look at the pictures and ignore the writing. What impression does, e.g., page 14 leave you with?

I understand that there will be silly visuals when dealing with children, but the silly stuff seems to permeate everything, even the adults-only inner workings of the staff. It appears to be just children in the organization all the way from top to bottom.

Anonymous said...

Many of you missed the point...again.

1. Agreed, only the students involved should be punished. (keep in mind many times the entire class is involved as the "pack" gets going)

2. The message sent home needed to have a personal call come first. No, you do not get to hear all the gory details if your kid was not involved.

3. I at least applaud the attempt to have some consequences. For all the nay-sayers I would recommend they volunteer to help in a high school class when there is a sub in. They will have an eye-opening experience

SCATS said...

To 8:32AM ~~ I'm really sick & tired of this misguided notion that any who "naysay" need to volunteer! I know I'm NOT alone with that sentiment. Recently, a friend brought that topic up.

We the TAXPAYERS have opened our wallets to let the so called "experts" in education take the jobs they trained for. We're told we're too stupid to do their work because of the need for an "advanced degree" and "special training" and other malarkey ... until there's trouble in paradise. Then they want us to feel their pain. MAYBE the rest of us were smart enough to know we wanted no part of dealing with a roomful of hormone-hyped teens on a daily basis and chose to become rocket engineers instead ;)

Anonymous said...

Not me SCATS, I don't want to be a rocket engineer, they all gotta belong to a UNION. I could tell you why they need a UNION, but let's just say they are almost as smart as Union Teachers.

Me, I'm a loner. I got 180° in my desk, and they're all on one protractor. My degrees are useful.

I'm a Rocket Proctologist and I can tell you why rockets fail the fecal flotation test. Engineers can't.

SCATS said...

To 11:45PM ~~ Maybe you need to be a lil bit more picky ;)

Anonymous said...

Most degrees can't help you when someone you are dealing with at work tells you to "eff off" and postures at you in an intimidating fashion, yet you cannot do anything about it, and the person in question knows it. OA sounds like a barrell of fun. This is what my son has told me......

SCATS said...

To 11 :22AM ~~ There are PROCEDURES to handle that (so we're told). Send them to see the VP. If it isn't handled, complain to union rep. If that doesn't work, complain PUBLICLY to BOE. If teachers did this routinely, SOMETHING different would happen ;)

Anonymous said...

I appreciate your reply, SCATS. :) My only comment would be that the building administrators are also living in fear (as things get more and more out of control), as well as only really being concerned with PR. District level administrators have NO CLUE, as they are not a part of any building, yet they make the big bucks. For what?! I find this all very interesting, and I do not envy the teachers, union, or not......Their hands are tied. The "inmates" know it too.

SCATS said...

To 12:06PM ~~ Again, they need to MAKE the system WORK FOR THEMSELVES. Am I mistaken to believe that building admin is making some pretty lofty salaries?? I think not! According to seethroughNY, Sue Meier earned in excess of $145,000 in 2012!!!!! If she can't handle "discipline issues" then FIRE HER!

I don't accept that "their hands are tied" as anything more than an excuse. There is power in numbers & admin has its own union. They pay dues for ... ??? MAKE THEM EARN IT!

Anonymous said...

It's me again, SCATS! ;) I, in no way, intended to badmouth anyone at Odyssey. The teachers have been wonderful for my son, and the administrators supportive. However, is it possible that they, along with the other high schools, are "outmanned" by the "pants down around the butt" mayhem they are experiencing? There does not seem to be enough eyes, or enough security, for all that goes on. I am not bashing people, really. I am questioning the ability, in sheer numbers of incidents, for school personnel to deal with the increasing problems in the GCSD, as the post on 3-21 at 2:19pm points out. The objectionable behaviorals and perpetrators of them seems to be ever on the rise. It seems like a societal problem, as someone else clearly stated. Thanks for acknowledging me, by the way. :)

SCATS said...

To 1:22PM ~~ Again, they have the power to make the changes. You yourself stated they worry more about PR! I've witnessed elementary children F-bombing teachers who do not bat an eye. WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND??? Rolling over & playing dead has consequences. They've made their bed in many cases.

Anonymous said...

SCATS - I would tend to agree with you. These changes must be made, most apparently, and soon. Too bad, though, they can't go back to corporal punishment or retainment. I'll bet that would help. Cardinal Mooney would never have had it the way it is, presently. Could you imagine? Gosh, you are a good persuasasive writer!

SCATS said...

To 2:42PM ~~ Thank you!

Anonymous said...

Teachers' hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year! It's time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do - babysit! We can get that for minimum wage. That's right. Let's give them $3.00 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or any time they spend before or after school. That ...would be $19.50 a day (7:45 to......... 3:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch and plan-- that equals 6 1/2 hours). Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day...maybe 30? So that's $19.50 x 30 = $585.00 a day. However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations. LET'S SEE.... That's $585 X 180= $105,300 per year. (Hold on! My calculator needs new batteries).What about those special education teachers and the ones with Master's degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage ($7.75), and just to be fair, round it off to $8.00 an hour. That would be $8 X 6 1/2 hours X 30 children X 180 days = $280,800 per year. Wait a minute -- there's something wrong here! There sure is!

The average teacher's salary (nation wide) is $50,000. $50,000/180 days = $277.77/per day/30 students=$9.25/6.5 hours = $1.42 per hour per student--a very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even EDUCATE your kids!) WHAT A DEAL!!!!

Heaven forbid we take into account highly qualified teachers or NCLB...

SCATS said...

To 4:41PM ~~ Thanks for recycling an internet "urban legend" of sorts. Back to reality ;)

Anonymous said...

Maybe things need to start changing at home in order for things to change in school. If there is no consequences at home how will kids respond the consequences at school?

SCATS said...

To 2:44PM ~~ I find it hard to make that argument after hearing that Odyssey's admin has called for "NO FAILING GRADES" on her watch in a sad attempt to keep Odyssey out of the same academic gutter Apollo fell into.