Thursday, December 20, 2012

Serious Problems Plague Athena


Anonymous said...

To 9:55~~ No not OA nor PB. Your assumptions just go to prove my point in 8:13 post. There is much to be gained by the schools that under report. It removes them from under the district and community microscope. With eyes on Olympia and OA, Athena is forgotten.

In the past 3 weeks alone Athena experienced the armed robbery of one student by another, a knife recovered from a student’s locker after a threat was made, and the school whose students conducted a loop party off campus (purportedly attended by a GCSD Board member’s child). It was also the school that had the main entrance unstaffed for nearly an hour one day this week.

But lets get back to the original topic. Students and staff need to be protected from internal as well as external threats to their safety. Doing the best we can to reduce internal problems now will minimize the potential for more violent future events. Only in recognizing the true extent of these current threats can we implement measures to improve our schools safety.   12/20/2012 8:12 AM

SCATS ~~ FAIL! FAIL! FAIL!! WHY DON'T WE HEAR THESE INCIDENTS IN OUR NEWS?
 

22 comments:

Anonymous said...

Your point is well taken, Scats. We can pass a wheelbarrow full of new laws, but unless they can be enforced there will be no change to make things safer. We need some systematic changes, like an alarm that notified all teachers to lock their classroom doors immediately (requires installation and changes to doors) and cameras on the entrances with someone watching!

Anonymous said...

Gianotti needs to go. He's more concerned with being the kids friend than being an admin. He seriously needs to go.

Anonymous said...

Olympia is still and will always be the zoo of the district. Just be in the halls at passing time.

Anonymous said...

Here we go again... Anybody else in District get an all call?

Anonymous said...

SCATS, you ask "FAIL! FAIL! FAIL!! WHY DON'T WE HEAR THESE INCIDENTS IN OUR NEWS?".

But which incidents do you expect to make it onto the news? The "armed robbery" (if indeed that's how the police report was written up) would make it to the news via the police blotter, but the other incidents are below the conventional threshold for public business.

My guess is that even the "armed robbery" turns out to be less than that by police standards, therefore not on the blotter, therefore not in the news. The other stuff, like contraband found in a locker, has never been newsworthy.

You expect to be told too much. This stuff is not news, and rightly so. As it was when you were in high school, so it still is today. The public does not get to follow the minor disciplinary business of school-aged kids.

SCATS said...

To 9:02PM ~~ An all call about what?

To 11:46PM ~~ I'd say that any student caught with a WEAPON IN SCHOOL ought to be headline news in Greece. Keeping us in the dark is an injustice to parents, students and the community. Either this is a problem ... or it's not. There's NO middle ground.

Anonymous said...

If I threaten you with a freshly-sharpened #2 pencil, is it a "weapon"?

SCATS said...

To 9:07AM ~~ Of course it is. However, it's not very likely you can pull off an armed robbery using without a gun, knife, etc.

Anonymous said...

At Athena HS? I sure could! I'll bet if you were a student there, and I came up to you and said "Give me your lunch money, or I'll stab you with this pencil," you'd do it!

SCATS said...

To 2:52PM ~~ Try it. I enjoy practicing martial arts. Just don't complain if something more than your pencil ends up broken ;)

Anonymous said...

In case it's not obvious, my point is that when the dust settles, we may be surprised at the "weapon" that was used in this (supposed) "armed robbery."

Anonymous said...

SCATS, not all knives are weapons. School rules are particularly silly in this regard - even the small half-inch "knife" blade that is part of a cuticle trimmer has been used at Athena as grounds for a one-week suspension. Which, quite properly, did not make the news.

When we were kids ordinary pocket knives (2-3 inches) were routine in school, along with firearms in the cars in the parking lot (especially in November). OK, today such things are not allowed; perhaps this crop of kids is less mature and cannot be trusted, I don't know. But these things are still hardly news.

A crime committed in school is news, but things that are mere rules infractions (i.e. would not be a crime if committed elsewhere) are not news. Assault at school is news, possession of a knife is not. And possession of a cuticle trimmer is definitely not.

I don't know the knife in this particular case, but I do know the "knives" in a few other cases at Athena, and none of them rose above the level of toys or novelties (and none was used in any sort of threat or assault).

SCATS said...

To 12:19AM ~~ You work so hard at trying to dismiss this incident. To me that usually means a mountain has formed under the rug where this and other problems have been swept. Typical Greece! And then they (our leaders) wonder why history repeats itself in all of the negative ways.

Anonymous said...

SCATS, I don't work hard at trying to dismiss the incident. For instance, I have never suggested that the administration was too harsh in whatever they did (though chances are that's what I would think if I knew the details, as I know their inclinations).

What I'm saying is that there is alot that goes on in a school that is just internal business. The administration has the disciplinary tools to handle a wide variety of situations, and the duty to keep most of them internal. This protects not only the perpetrators and victims but also the uninvolved students.

Everyone's safety is promoted by calm orderly behavior, and calm orderly behavior is often promoted by keeping things contained, keeping things quiet. This is a first principle of all forms of security work, from policework to running a prison to running a school. Yes, all joking aside, the same basic principles apply to all three.

Publicity inflames passions, and passion kills. Literally. "Sweeping things under the rug", as you put it, saves lives.

SCATS said...

To 11:23PM ~~ Re: "The administration has the disciplinary tools to handle a wide variety of situations, and the duty to keep most of them internal."

They have loosely written policy that is open to MANY different interpretations which allows them to apply it inconsistently from school to school. This causes confusion on the part of parents and students, something the district hopes to use to its advantage. It also leads to unnecessary lawsuits and other repercussions to the taxpayers. A school is a PUBLICLY FUNDED PUBLIC BUILDING, not a prison.

Anonymous said...

this armed robbery was a student with a knife telling another student that he wanted the dope he was holding....so much goes on everyday here and unfortunately the principal of the hs wants to be everyones friend....security brings issues to administration but nothing is done...security and teachers are frustrated with this going on for so long with no discipline given out.

Anonymous said...

So 9:16 is a disgruntled security guard, huh?

SCATS said...

To 3:20PM ~~ Jumping to conclusions does what to make things better? Or are you saying this as a threat? An attempt to out the person telling us what goes on? You should be ashamed if that's your strategy.

Anonymous said...

You TOTALLY mis-read my intentions, Scats. I was merely observing that, from what this person wrote, he/she might very well be a security person, one that is not too happy with his/her administration's handling of discipline incidents. In NO WAY should you (or anyone else) interpret this as any sort of "threat."

SCATS said...

To 1:02PM ~~ I'm glad to hear that. So many who read this site are more intent on discovering who is commenting than on the issues they bring up.

Anonymous said...

That's not unusual. Sometimes, knowing the source adds to ( or occasionally decreases) the poster's credibility.

SCATS said...

To 3:27PM ~~ Really!? Well you must have missed one of the many comments where I've told people to stay off of the "who is it?" kick. After nearly 8 yrs. of this BLOG, it's time to realize it just shouldn't matter. Future comments about that topic will likely be deleted as have so many in the past.