Friday, November 30, 2012

Watch Your Wallet Alert!


Ridge Road Fire District Elections
Dec. 11, 2012; 6-9PM
1299 Long Pond Rd.
 
 
 

 
You will vote on TWO items:


1 - The ELECTION of a Commissioner of the Ridge Road Fire District for a five (5) year term, commencing January 1, 2013 and ending December 31, 2017. Only residents registered to vote with the Monroe County Board of Elections on or before November 19, 2012 shall be eligible to vote. Qualified Candidates for District Office must file their names, and the position they are seeking, together with a petition for their nomination signed by twenty-five (25) electors of the district, with the Secretary of the Ridge Road Fire District, Richard Baart, at 1299 Long Pond Road, Rochester, New York l4626, no later than November 21, 2012. Candidates must be resident electors of Ridge Road Fire District at the time of the election.

2 - PROPOSITION
Shall the following resolution of the Board of Fire commissioners adopted on the 16th day of October, 2012, be approved?

To authorize the Ridge Road Fire District, Town of Greece, County of Monroe, State of New York to acquire, subject to a lease, a lease with option to purchase, or other suitable financing alternatives, a fire fighting vehicle including apparatus for the extinguishment and prevention of fires in the Ridge Road Fire District, consisting of a new 1250 GPM fire fighting vehicle at a maximum estimated cost of $ 450,000.00

SCATS ~~ This really burns my behind because they recently sent out the annual Fund Drive letter asking for donations, but of course not a single mention of an upcoming vote! It would be good to see a vote go down in flames (pun intended) just this once. I bet it would grab the attention of more than a few ;)
  

67 comments:

Anonymous said...

The fund request is for the volunteers, not the district. It goes towards things that benefit volunteer firefighters only. The salaried firefighters and district activities and expenses are funded by your tax dollars.

Anonymous said...

Fire District elections are one the most closely guarded secrets in this town. No pre election or budget information as well as commissioner elections. Most of us do not know that their taxes are effected by these elections and spending proposition so they don't show up to vote.

In fact the construction of the Station on Ridgeway Ave was overkill and unnecessary. The justification made then was the fact that Kodak dissolved their FD making Greece Ridge responsible for all fires on Kodak property.

T his now begs the obvious question WHAT KODAK PROPERTY in that area? So now, why the need for this taxpayer supported expensive piece of equipment. Absolutely none.

SCATS said...

To 2:26PM ~~ I'm calling BS to your statement because Bud Phillips' letter states: "Your donation in 2011 helped us replace some needed firefighting and emergency medical services equipment." Also, this letter states it pays for training both volunteer and career firefighters.

Anonymous said...

The "expensive piece of equipment" is a base model engine that is replacing an engine that is over ten years old and very tired. This "expensive piece of equipment" serves and protects the residents of the Ridge Road Fire District.

Anonymous said...

I would like to see the foster of the GRFD to weight comments to this article and also to facebook. I suspect many commentators have some direct connection with RRFD

Anonymous said...

Off topic but my son told me today that Board President VanOrman's son is being privately tutored by a district administrator at district office for the social studies regents. Her son was bragging about how his mother was making sure that he will get a passing grade on the regents. How nice that this opportunity is available to Board Members, and the rest of us have to pay for tutoring. And do you honestly think anyone at the district is going to let a Board Members child fail the regents for a third time. Once again Board Members children get special attention and the rest of use struggle through the system.

Anonymous said...

$459K for some firefighting equipment??!?!? That seems pretty high cost. Can someone explain why we need such high priced equipment?

Anonymous said...

Anyone ever seen a fundraising letter from any VOLUNTEER Fire Department that mentioned how much 2% money the District took in that year?

Anybody ever seen an accounting of the 2% money telling what it is spent on?

Hamlin, Morton & Walker are consolidating to save money and better fight fires.
All 3 of those departments can buy a very good 1250gpm pumper for 1/3 of what GR wants to spend on their new toy.

Sometheeng STINKS in GR besides Bud's boots.

Don't worry, GRFD will make voting damn near impossible by plugging parking with fireman's cars and maintaining a fake long line of voters. They learned that stunt from N Greece after NG had a proposal voted down.

Jeff Wilkinson said...

I really wish these commentators would attend a commission meeting and ask these questions. I can't understand why people attack individuals or organizations with being educated.
Oh and by the way, I post my name.

SCATS said...

To Jeff ~~ FYI, I've quoted the website for this post. I also quoted the fundraising letter which emphatically states that there are BOTH volunteers & "career" firefighters at RRFD. According to a named RRFD employee on a Facebook page that I follow, he stated there are NO volunteers. When I quoted to him from the letter, he responded by saying "it's a tricky" issue that I have to talk to Bud Phillips about. OBVIOUSLY, someone is LYING!!

I will neither talk to Phillips, nor sign my name as I believe doing so would bring harm to my family. After all, it seems to be routine for those on the inside (and their supporters) to project the semi-veiled threat of "in a time of need (fire/emergency) no price is too high." I'm sorry, but I don't subscribe to that line of BS.

Anonymous said...

I have been unsuccessful in searching for Fire engines, Pumpers, and related topics to compare prices. Could someone please post a link to the fire engine store so we can at least see what the typical market price is?

No need for secrecy here, I will publish under my name -- Jim Marron (I don't want to go through the mickey mouse of Google verification

Anonymous said...

The 2% funds have nothing to do with the fire district nor the paid firemen of the RRFD. There is another group of individuals who may or may not have ever volunteered at Greece Ridge who receive those funds. That group is called the "Greece Ridge Exempts". I suggest you contact them to get more information as to where that money is spent. I can tell you it does not go to the guys driving the white trucks down West Ridge Road.

Anonymous said...

"firetruck costs" Tons of google results.
Took me 2 seconds!

SCATS said...

To Jim ~~ There's no need to get a Google account. You can post your name as you like, that's up to you. When I get a chance, I'll have to see if I can find anything about your question. Until then, I am hoping someone else knows & posts.

To 11:44AM ~~ I'm thinking they probably aren't spent in the manner to which we would want, correct??

SCATS said...

Thank you 1:57PM !!

Anonymous said...

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_does_a_fire_truck_cost

Anonymous said...

11:44, you conveniently failed to mention the OVERPRICED white trucks are joyriding Ridge Rd under the asses of IAFF Union members.

Since you purport to know the inner workings of the District perhaps you'd explain why RRFD runs a pumper to every halfass request for service the squad truck rolls on.

You may also want to explain how the hell Exempts got control of the 2% money. Was it because IAFF managed to chase Vols out of RRFD?

Anonymous said...

Will someone in the media please look at how many fire districts Greece has and how consolidation could save us a ton of money. Go to SeeThroughNy and count how many paid fireman there are in Greece! There are over 60 just in Buds little empire to cover 1/4 of the Town. Add in North Greece, Barnard and Lakeshore and you will be shocked. Not to mention all the duplicate trucks and firehouses. Don't get me wrong, firemen are great but when you have two times as many firemen as police officers, with 4 districts in one Town, the system is broke.

Anonymous said...

The Greece Ridge Exempts have always had control of the 2% money. Ever since that program began.
Phillips ran the volunteers out beginning in 2001 when he became chief. Ask anyone who works there or was a volunteer at the time.

Anonymous said...

I still am not sure that the fire trucks are overpriced. As far as the 2% money I am pretty sure it has always been managed by the exempts never by the volunteer fire department. Volunteer firefighters have been on the decline everywhere for at least the last decade for various reasons

Anonymous said...

I don't think the IAFF had anything to do with "chasing the volunteers" out. Enormous call volume and mandated training by NYS had a lot to do with it. If there are paid guys living at the firehouse 24/7/365 and get out the door in 20 seconds, why should volunteers get out of bed to handle the 15th automatic alarm at the mall that day? That alone will burn them out and they will lose interest. By the time the volunteer gets dressed, gets in his car, fights ridiculous traffic on Ridge Road to get to the firehouse, all the trucks are gone and or the incident has been already mitigated. How many time does that have to happen before the volunteers lose interest and no longer show up. It's easy to blame Bud Phillips or the Union on pushing out the volunteers, but I think that there is a lot more to do with it that them.

SCATS said...

To 6:10AM ~~ You are absolutely right! I suspect no one in the media wants to get that involved in having to dig, learn etc. It's not worthwhile in their mind.

To 7:11AM ~~ While I belive you when you tell us Phillips ran the volunteers out, he comes back and outright LIES TO THE COMMUNITY in the Annual Fund Drive Letter by mentioning volunteers several times. In fact, his second paragraph begins: "Your fire department is a combination of both volunteer and career firefighters." I've been told that the few "volunteers" who remain are all elderly men, probably vets of WW II.

Anonymous said...

"T his now begs the obvious question WHAT KODAK PROPERTY in that area? So now, why the need for this taxpayer supported expensive piece of equipment. Absolutely none.

11/30/2012 3:02 PM"

All of the 300s and up buildings in Kodak Park are the responsibility of the RRFD. As these building are moving outside of the fence, other companies are buying them and for the most part performing similar tasks as they were when they were located on the inside of the Kodak barrier. 20 years ago, Kodak had 120+ firefighters who would handle incidents, now they are down to like 15 guys. Fire trucks don't put out fires or mitigate HazMat incidents, it's the firefighters. That being said, Mr. Phillips had the forethought to add an additional station close to Kodak in odder to provide the necessary protection needed to help those people. There is also enormous growth planned for the Ridgeway/390 area which the new firehouse is perfectly positioned. That new firehouse not only is first due to Kodak, but it also takes care of the ever-expanding Parkridge Hospital, 390 and mutual service into Gates and Rochester.

The squad (pickup truck with big utility box) is first due for EMS calls, because it costs less to operate than an engine. If th call is more serious than what two guys on the squad can handle, then the engine responds too. Believe me, there is no "joy riding" in an engine. They are far from comfortable to ride in and we don't like to waste fuel. There is a certain amount of mandated driver training that all career firefighters have to go through per year (16 hours) and that may account for what appears to be "joy riding". There is also an extreme amount of district familiarization that needs to happen because the firefighter are responsibility to know every street, number breakdown and many fire hydrant locations in the district. That takes time (and fuel).
I'm sorry if you don't approve the firefighters and officers being members of the IAFF. It was a unanimous decision simply to protect benefits, negotiate salaries and protect the retirees. I challenge you to find a career fire department that isn't union.

SCATS said...

To 12:32PM ~~ In the BIGGER picture, Greece doesn't need 4 fire districts employing twice as many firefighters as we employ cops! It's insane, wasteful and doesn't really benefit us given the enormous added cost. In today's paper, there's an article and guess what? RRFD is over the 2% tax cap, too. This kind of crapple, on top of the apparent lies in the Fund Drive letter, is what gives these guys a bad name, union or otherwise.

Anonymous said...

There is not twice as many paid fireman as cops. And if I'm wrong please show the numbers and prove me wrong. Yes consolidation is needed and any citizen can start the process.

SCATS said...

To 12:51PM ~~ Feel free to start looking up names on SeeThroughNY and counting. You need to remember, we've only got about 100 cops ;)

Anonymous said...

RRFD employs the most career firefighters in the town which is close to 60 The other three departments probably dont equal 60 together. So it is probably close to 100 in the town. You are lucky Scats, if you have a real emergency you get the benifit of 2 different departments responding to you neighborhood.

SCATS said...

To 1:12PM ~~ Two different departments? How so?

Anonymous said...

If it was a house fire in your neighborhood an engine, ladder, squad and battalion chief would respond from ridge road and the second engine would respond from barnard on dewey ave due to the fact that they would be closer. Actually a great example of joining resources with in the town

Anonymous said...

How can they send out a fundraising letter asking for money for a VOLUNTEER department when they don't have any active volunteer's. Where does that money go. Is this legal. If so its still misleading and wrong.But then that isn't the only misleading thing RRFD does.

SCATS said...

To 3:09PM ~~ BINGO!!! That's EXACTLY what I'd like to know! What I'm told is RRFD has a couple of 80+ year old "volunteers" they keep around. Nice huh?

To 1:12PM ~~ You've FAILED to prove my point about twice as many firefighters as cops was wrong ;)

Anonymous said...

Like I said provide the numbers that there is twice as many fireman as cops. If you say there is around 100 cops that would mean there is around 200 paid fireman, which there is not.

How many do you think there should be?

Anonymous said...

By my count, I counted 118 paid Fireman in Greece.

Anonymous said...

I didnt fail. I figure you already know how many police officers are in the town and I was telling you how many career firefighters I thought were in the town. I figured you may be smart enough to get the answer yourself. Maybe I shouldnt have figured.

Anonymous said...

I counted up 187 paid firefighters. I guess thats close enough to 200.

Anonymous said...

My brother used to volunteer at a greece fire department and told me that not only are there no active volunteers at greece ridge but some of the money collected in there fund drive goes to the union membersto keep them from having thrrw own fundraising

SCATS said...

So now we have counts ranging from a precise 118 to my estimated 200 (based on input given to me by an employee who ought to know).

To 9:38PM ~~ I would not be surprised, would you?

Anonymous said...

We also KNOW the funrun to the Southerntier a while back to help pump flooded cellars, AND the happy trip to NYC for hurricane Sandy were BIG bonuses for PAID IAFF UNION Firemen.

Now, if we had a list of the IAFF members who went on those trips, I'd be damn willing to bet they were Union Members nearest to retirement so they could boost their pension.

You can bet your A$$ IF any Greece Fire Department collects FEMA dollars for these adventures Greece taxpayers will still get screwed.
Even if FEMA pays 100% of wages, Greece taxpayers get SCREWED for the pension costs!

Why don't IAFF members rob banks? Because they'd loose $$$ compared to what they get sitting on their ass in the firehouse!

BTW, for the IAFF UNION member who claims those big white trucks ain't comfortable, BULLSNOT! I've been in both the cab and crew cab of those LUXURY trucks and the seats are better than Trailways.

Some of us have seen the "work" IAFF members in Greece did, and I have a little bulletin for the Union, I know how to initiate an Insurance Carrier audit of firefighting. I've also heard IAFF members remarks about that's why you have homeowners insurance. You clowns suck as firefighters!

Anonymous said...

Wow! Lots of love for firemen over here. I'm sorry you feel that way.
I would guess there are about ~120 career firefighters in all four departments in Greece and maybe a rough guess of 500 in Monroe County.
I wish I had more answers for you and again I'm sorry for your frustrations.

SCATS said...

To 11:21AM ~~ I don't think it's anything personal in most cases. However, it is a fact that Greece pays premium prices for fire protection services and the the fact we have FOUR depts is the reason cited by most. Govt redundancies are painful to the wallet & fire up people's emotions.

Anonymous said...

Again, Chief Phillips has said publicly and privately many times how the RRFD supports fire district consolidation. The four fire districts work constantly together along with the City, Gates and Spencerport on various calls. Yes, the taxes are higher in Greece than elsewhere but I think you get what you're paying for and should feel lucky to have that service.

SCATS said...

To 12:01PM ~~ Exactly WHERE does Phillips make his "public" remarks? I can't recall seeing him quoted and/or interviewed by media since the Holiday Inn cold case file was reopened about 2 years ago. When it comes to taxes, I'm not sure we ever get what we pay for. Your comment that we should feel lucky following the part about getting what we pay for in taxes comes across as a bit of a threat. I can't help but laugh when all of these union people who teach, do law enforcement, fire protection, etc. try to convince us we're lucky we're getting reamed! In reality, YOU are lucky you have a job ;)

Anonymous said...

How much did IAFF spend buying politicians to mandate training which in turn ran Vols out of Departments the Vols built?

Anonymous said...

Not sure why you're threatened and yes, I'm lucky and fortunate to have a job that I love. That job is helping you and you're community. You are lucky that you happened to pick a neighborhood that is protected by highly trained firefighters who can get to your house in seconds. I live in a community where that service is not offered. My neighborhood is protected by volunteers who I don't know will actually show up or not and it sure as hell won't be as fast as your response will be. And if and when they get here, there aren't any of them who have the amount of training the men and women of the RRFD has. So in that respect, you're very lucky and I hope to God none of us ever have to find out how lucky or unlucky we are.

Anonymous said...

I agree with 12:01 about feeling lucky or perhaps appreciate the service is a better term. The Volunteer fire service is in major decline nation wide and especially in Greece, times have changed and people don't have the time they used too. It is just not reality anymore to have 1 paid fireman drive the truck and have a bunch of volunteers show up, it just doesn't happen.Just ask the people who have stove fires on a near weekly basis in this town if instead of that crew showing up in 3-4 minutes and keeping it a stove fire, if they'd rather pay lower taxes to wait 8-10 minutes or have 1 guy show up and have their entire kitchen or house damaged.

Scats you haven't answered my question, how many paid fireman do you think we should have?

Anonymous said...

To 8:44 your count of 187 is wrong. RRFD website says they have 55, I counted on NGFD website 35, I counted on LSFD website 5.Barnard did not specify on theirs so I called them, they said 22, so 55+35+22+5=117

Anonymous said...

I normally stop paying attention when a discussion turns to ignorance but I just can't walk away until I say something. I have close friends and family in every corner of public safety and have some insight into what it is they do. If you think their jobs are a walk in the park, you are dead wrong.

Talk all you want about overpaid cops and firefighters. I imagine you even have something to say about the grossly underpaid EMS workers. Let me run something by you all as you sit in the comfort of your home or your office cubicle, resenting people who have SWORN to serve you, protect you, save you, and help you.

Have you ever seen the look on Grandma's face while you and your crew do CPR on Grandpa on Christmas Eve?

Have you held a person's hand while they took their final breaths inside their mangled car, despite the efforts of everyone on scene?

Have you seen the look in a child's eyes when he realizes his family has lost everything they owned to fire?

Have you seen his parent's eyes as they try to piece their lives back together?

What about the smell of charred flesh? Are you familiar with it?

Have you been punched by a drunk while you break up his fistfight?

Have you huddled behind a tree in the shadows of a neighborhood, holding a perimeter while negotiators work to disarm a crazed gunman (all the while hoping you're not within range)?

Should I mention things like lifeless children, threats of terrorism, or exposure to nasty illnesses? I could go on all night.

My point is this. Unless you can answer yes to at least one of those questions, you will never understand what these men and women do for a living. How dare you attack their paychecks or their union affiliation?!

These people are not greedy. They have a sense of service and they have common goals. They just want to provide their services to those in need and go home at the end of the shift. Sadly, many of them are killed doing just this every year. If you are ungrateful enough to throw shots at these humble and brave men and women, maybe you should do some soul-searching.

@Scats, you are a button pusher and a pot-stirrer. From all I can see, you are also a coward since there is no indication of your name anywhere. If you want to see change, do it the right way. You are not helping find solutions with your little blog site. You are only looking to find and expose problems. I challenge you to go to one of these meetings. Maybe you could look up the union administration and ask your pointed questions.

I wonder if you'll approve this post. Hopefully, it's posted in its entirety.

SCATS said...

To 2:57PM ~~ Whenever someone else, especially someone who knows nothing about me, starts to tell me how lucky I am, it comes off as defensive. 3:19PM is correct: appreciative would be a much better term to use. As for working here (presumably) but living a community where you have sub-standard services (according to your explanation) comes off a bit like the Greece teachers who work in Greece but "would never live here or send their kids to school here!" Interpreted, that more or less boils down to: Greece residents are suckers for paying higher salaries (and therefore taxes) than many other communities. Sorry, but that's how it strikes me.

To 3:19PM ~~ I can't answer your question. No one can even tell us, accurately, how many we already have! The numbers are all over the map!

To 3:41PM ~~ I went to the RRFD site and can't find a link on there to a roster of those who work there. Can you please tell me WHERE among the overwhelming amount of images on that page I should click to get this info? TY!!

To 7:16PM ~~ I almost shed a tear reading your post ... then I got to the part where you went off the deep end with: "How dare you attack their paychecks or their union affiliation?!" All I can say is GIVE ME A BREAK ... WHILE YOU GET A REALITY CHECK!!

If I'm going to foot the bill for your/their "service" I'm damned well going to ask questions about what I'm getting for my $$. Try looking up the names of some of these people who you say are "not greedy" and then explain to me why Greece has so many cops earning in excess of $100,000 per year! I know PhDs who don't make 6 figures but who contribute at least as much to the greater good. Please go unknot your panties before writing back.

Anonymous said...

Hey 7:16, you forgot BACKGROUND MUSIC!

Your happy little monologue would sell better with strings. Of course it would also sell in John Deere green, PTO driven with a tandem axle given the amount of crap you spread. For the record, cops & firemen statisticly are very safe occupations even if you don't factor in short work life to retirement. A DPW shovel leaner stands a greater risk of workplace injury or death.

Second thing Union Advocate; Exactly how many cops, firemen or paramedics were forced into that occupation? Last I was aware, every damn one competed to get the SWEET Job.

Third thing; Private industry is ready, willing and able to perform firefighting and emergency response at a lower cost, and proves it every day. Ever heard of a company called Rural Metro? How about one called Monroe Ambulance.

The taxpayers of Greece should thank the God they talk to every day GVA got shot down when they tried going to an Ambulance District. Today they employ Union medics and bill on a fee for service basis.

Oh, about your stove fire, learn to operate a damn stove, 3rd world illiterates can. What's your shortcoming? Greece Central educated perhaps? Is that why you NEED Union Public Employment?

Anonymous said...

Scats,

From the "about" section of the RRFD web page.

"Today, RRFD employs 55 career fire supression personnel, 2 non-fire supression persons, 1 civilian (full-time) and 4 civilians (part-time). The GRFD holds 5 active members and are considered protectives."

SCATS said...

To 5:27PM ~~ Thank you!! I wonder how current those numbers are ... especially considering they still claim to conduct a test of the Public Warning System at noon every Saturday. Whatever happened to that test???

Anonymous said...

Is the fire chief considered a "non fire supression person" since he's had a stroke?

Anonymous said...

GRFD took the siren down, that's what happened to the test!

NGFD took their siren down when they sold the house to Councilman Rainbow Ricky for high money. See if you can find that siren or any record of where that piece of Taxpayer Owned Equipment went.

Both Departments claim sirens are no longer necessary because Department members carry Alphanumeric pagers, which are encoded by Fire Dispatch from downtown. They can also be encoded from the Department.
Remember all that high priced radio equipment taxsuckers bought a few years back?

Neither Department has an answer for how they intend to notify the community in the event of an incident such as a tornado.

NOTE how quiet all the Fireflunkeys become when questions are asked.
Lets just call it as it is, RRFD, NGFD & Barnard have become elitist clubs for the IAFF right people, little more than festering pools of moldering tax dollars flushed down the crapper that cannot and will not be straightened out. NY Fire Districts are beyond the Law. They know it and you Taxpayer damn well better like it!

Anonymous said...

Since when is it the fire department's responsibility to notify people of tornadoes?
Ever heard of the Weather Channel?

SCATS said...

To 8:08AM ~~ It's done that way in many locales. Apparently it used to be done here, too. I would imagine that notifying the community to take cover might help them to respond more efficiently after the fact: fewer deaths, injuries, rescues needed. If I'm not mistaken, aren't they involved in training others about techniques for responding to natural diasters?

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately, the high fire taxes in Greece are a result of there being multiple districts in the town. This is inefficient and is a carryover from when the town was a sparsely populated agricultural community.

It is the fault of the commissions, the elected officials of these districts that we have yet to see consolidation. Most of the paid firefighters in town would love to be part of one large and efficient department. Sadly, it is not up to them.

To affect change, the taxpayers need to speak up in the appropriate forum. This blog is certainly not going yo fix things.

SCATS said...

To 10:30 AM ~~ This BLOG (and its presence on social media) has educated a growing number of people about this and other topics. The "fix" can only happen in the ballot box.

Anonymous said...

SCATS, I'd like to comment on your "approval" of the postings which appear (or don't appear) on your blog. I see that you posted 7:16's entire rant. I also noticed that made one of your notorious" snappy comebacks to 7:16's comments. This seems to be a "trend" on here. If someone tries to post something for which you have an immediate reply (usually disagreeing with their comment), it seems to get posted.

However, when someone (i.e. ME) tries to post a criticism of YOUR views, and that criticism is "indefensible" by you, the criticism never seems to see the light of day. (I'd give you examples, but alas, I fear that would prevent even THIS post from showing up.) We'll see....

Anonymous said...

MOST if not all of the sirens were bought & paid for by a Federal program called Civil Defense.

They were installed at firehouses under contract with the independent Departments so the Department could employ the siren in a SECONDARY function of alerting Firemen, long before fire radios and pagers. Over 50 sirens in the program were installed in the City as well, all for Citizen protection.

Who the hell wants to step up and prove Large Fire Departments are more efficient?
Other than economy of scale in buying, and that is easily accomplished by using State Bid List equipment and supplies, where the hell is there a saving?

The shining example already exists, compare the cost per student of GCSD to Churchville-Chili.

Fireflunkeys are trying to put up a smoke screen!

SCATS said...

To 1:09PM ~~ I post lots of items that oppose my viewpoint. Since I don't know which of "your" comments got deep-sixed, I can't tell you the specific reason. Perhaps it was HOW you stated it, WHAT you said about me or someone else ...

I stated a few weeks ago that I'm NOT planning to post comments that attempt to turn away from the topic of discussion while trying to divert attention towards shooting the messenger. I also usually do not post comments regarding my identity (an old topic (7+ years in the making) some of you just won't let go of), comments that use name-calling, or that insult people based upon physical characteristics/appearances, that contain lots of foul language, comments naming everyday residents or minors depending upon the situation ...

To 1:57PM ~~ I'm not sure that the $200 million annual budget for GCSD is a reasonable comparison to use in your example. There's SO MUCH graft buried within it that it is a smokescreen unto itself.

Anonymous said...

SCATS, how much 2% money is being delivered to RRFD a/k/a GRFD every year on top of what they collect in Fire Tax?

Where is the 2% money going?

This has the aroma of being a bigger take than the Rochester Marine Volunteer Voluntier Fire Department ever scammed till they were quietly sent out to pasture, or the Protectives at RFD.

MEMO: to the IAFF clowns at GRFD/RRFD, you done screwed up and some nasty taxpayer is contacting the AG's office to look into the 2% money. You boys ain't gonna be happy.

Anonymous said...

Wow, that's interesting. A few tough and confrontational comments and suddenly nothing's being posted. Oh, censorship. How nice it is when the "publisher" is biased.

Will this comment sneak through?

SCATS said...

To 12/06/2012 1:23 PM ~~ I have no idea about the 2% you asked about.

To 12/06/2012 8:07 PM ~~ Tough comments usually get posted. Confrontational comments often get posted. There are rules on this BLOG as there has always been. If you start going over certain lines, your comment might not get posted. I'm not finding a lot that hasn't been posted. I haven't been around much the last couple days. It sounds like you missed me ;)

Anonymous said...

1:23 you seem to have knowledge that they are miss using the 2% monies, how are they spending it?

Anonymous said...

Putting it very simply SCATS, 2% of every dollar paid to an Insurance Carrier for Fire Insurance to a Foreign Company (Not headquartered in NY) is a tax.
That tax money is collected by the State and passed back to Fire Departments.
The 2% tax is a very old program, and has over the years been heavily regulated as to how the money can be spent by Departments.
It's also a very old slush fund for Fire Departments and firemen, and has been heavily abused. Any way you cut it, the 2% tax is a BIG pool of money.

SCATS said...

To 11:47AM ~~ Thank you for that explanation. I learn something new every day ;)

Anonymous said...

http://www.dfs.ny.gov/insurance/faqs/faqs_ft_fft.htm

This explaines what the 2% monies and what it can be used for.

And not all Fire Departments have acess to the 2% monies, a lot of Exempt organizations had the 2% monies written into their charters way back when.The exempt organizations are separate organizations from Fire Districts and Departments.