Saturday, November 03, 2012

Is GCSD Finished With School Consolidation Changes?


I see from the Greece School District's website that applications for Schools-of-Choice & Secondary Option are being taken now. This brings to mind a number of questions, many leftover from the School Consolidation process. Among them:

  • What changes are being made to Pine Brook to balance that school's demographics & bring it in-line with other district schools?
  • Will the lottery continue to be a sham, or will we be able to see who the actual "winners" are this time around? If you are going to apply, then there should be NO reason to hide it, right?
  • Will 6th grade be starting at Olympia HS next year?
  • What measures do we have from this year's School Consolidation experience to use to evaluate whether changes made were for the better, or worse?
  • Have we "consolidated" sufficiently? How do we know?
  • WHAT is the purpose of a School-of-Choice?
  • How much extra does retaining Schools-of-Choice cost us?

33 comments:

Anonymous said...

Oh SCATS, you forgot one question: What is the purpose of 'school of choice', in terms of benefiting the districts students academic performance? If there is an increased cost of 5 cents to keep 'school of choice' (BTW we've never heard a real figure), then we should be told how it benefits the district. Babs and the BOE were asked this question publicly more than a year ago, and we've yet to get an answer.

Anonymous said...

I was under the impression that the secondary option was to be phased out beginning next year. Was I wrong and if so why in hell are they continuing the practice. Declining enrollment would seem to make this option obsolete. Ending this practice would result in significant savings in the area of transportation costs. Please, I do not want to hear about state reimbursement to cover the related costs. It is one of the biggests lies put forth by the district bean counters over the years.

Anonymous said...

All schools should be the same. No special schools for special students. Give all the kids an equal playing field.
They also need to open Hoover Drive as a middle school again. The high schools are to over crowded with the addition of the middle school kids.
If the district is so broke, why are they adding new Administrators?

Anonymous said...

I don't believe for a second that any "lottery" is involved in gaining attendance there. Pine Brook chooses children based on household income and home price only.
Pine Brook should be called the Stepford School, they want wealthy, extremely intelligent robots as students. If your child has any special needs, stay far away from this school.

SCATS said...

To 11:37AM ~~ Thank you! I knew I was forgetting something. I will add it to the list :)

To 1:17PM ~~ I thought we were phasing out elementary choice too. Has anyone seen the RIDICULOUS crush of buses that pick up kids from Parkland School in the afternoon? Because they can't fit 40+ buses in the bus loop, the extras sit lined up in the park across the road creating a traffic hazard AND a traffic back-up as they attempt to squeeze out and dash across English Road! It's quite a sight!!

Anonymous said...

There isn't a Parkland anymore, it was closed in the consolidation.

SCATS said...

To 12:32AM ~~ As far as I'm concerned, West Ridge is gone. Why would people call a school that is not even near Ridge Rd West "West Ridge" ? Only in Greece! And then people wonder why we're viewed so negatively ... sigh ...

Anonymous said...

Scats, it's the same reason the hotel on Ridge s called the "Airport" Marriott. Apparently Greece Marriott and Parkland isn't as advertise able.
Yes, I have seen the "Crush" I thought there was something special going on. That happens twice every day????

SCATS said...

To 8:57AM ~~ Since when are we worried about advertising a public school?? I believe the reason the name was retained was to pander to the ever-shrinking, loud-mouthed, helicopter parents leftover from the original WR school.

There is a crush when school releases which I've witnessed. I'm not sure it's as bad in the mornings since I doubt that all buses would arrive at the same time. Regardless, this situation is an issue of safety, not only for the students, but for anyone daring to drive down English Rd. at release time.

Anonymous said...

Then all those busses leave parkland and head to pine brook with the students on board to create the same mess further down English Rd.

Anonymous said...

Here's more ridiculousness courtesy of GCSD. A 6th grader at Arcadia MS gets a detention for sitting at a lunch table with more than 8 students at it instead of moving to another table.

It's insanity at the highest level!!!

Charlie Hubbard said...

Can anyone shed some light on the purpose of schools of choice. They are getting better results and thats great. Do we know why? Are we instituting what 'they' are doing into the other schools? If so what are they? If not - why not? Unless a true 'purpose' can be demonstrated I believe open enrollment and schools of choice needs to come to an end. We have divided this town in a very unhealthy way.
I also believe it's time to address an alternitive school to remove those who are interested in things other than education - simply put we may have to sacrafice the 5% who are a negative influence on the other 95%. Again simply put it's time those running the schools set the conduct standards and expectations and be held accountable. This business of trying to make every 'parent' happy must stop. Bending the rules for 'who' you are is nothing but a way for administrators to 'get by' rather than being held accountable.
In conclusion Greece it's time public education starts being run like a business. The stockholders of this business deserve better.

chubbard005@rochester.rr.com

Anonymous said...

Schools of choice is liberal feel goodism. It's like "empowerment" and "community input". Just try to keep half the board members awake while it's going on.

Cheers Mr. Hubbard.

SCATS said...

To 1:44PM ~~ I know I have a tough time staying awake during BOE meetings. It's like they put everyone into a trance ... zzzz

Anonymous said...

8:28-Lemme guess... it was YOUR kid, right? Did your son not KNOW there was a rule against too many (more than 8) kids at a table? Or, did he sit there ANYWAY, knowing he was breaking the rule? Either way, he's wrong!

When will we stop blaming OTHER people when our kids do the wrong thing? Geez.

Anonymous said...

Scats. Why do you find BOE meetings boring? Might it be because there's no scandal that crops up at every one?

SCATS said...

To 2:48PM ~~ Their predictability bores me ... no creativity, no discussion, no dissension, just rubber stamping whatever the unions or administration wants.

SCATS said...

To 2:45PM ~~ Half of the rules like these are made by people who can't be bothered doing the supervisory duties they were hired to do. There is NO JOY in attending a Greece school these days. It's bad enough that youngsters are expected to sit quietly for hours on end (without falling asleep), but then they usually end up without recess (elementary school) or even social time with their friends at lunch. PATHETIC.

Anonymous said...

I don't necessarily see it that way Scats. Considering the union has been without new contract for over six years. That is hardly giving them what they want don't you agree
I thought not.

Regarding the meetings I believed they are designed to do just that. Put you to sleep.

Anonymous said...

Eight kids at a table is not "social"?

Anonymous said...

So, did the kid do the right thing or not?

SCATS said...

To 6:34PM ~~ I don't see GTA having ANY issue with the way things are currently. In fact, they know they've got it better than if they go back to the table where they will be asked to give back. If they weren't happy, they'd be whining at BOE meetings, demonstrating on the sidewalk carrying their signs, etc. At this point, Greece Central is in a "work to rule" mode and has been much of those last 6 years ;)

To 6:58PM ~~ What number constitutes "social" and where did you get it from? Do we have a policy on that, too? If two of your friends are at another table and you have no buddy to sit with, then no, it is not social.

SCATS said...

To 7:01PM ~~ What are you talking about?

Anonymous said...

6:34 because the Greece teachers haven't had a new contract in "over six years", what has happened to their pay? No new contract means no raises....right? So while every other government employee is being made to take zeros in their contact, how do the Greece teachers compare? Why dont you admit that going without a new contact is exactly what Greece teachers want? GFYourself!

Anonymous said...

Scats; did I hear correctly that GCSD has a code of conduct 33 pages long?

SCATS said...

To 9:06PM ~~ Actually, Greece teachers still get their step increases despite not having a new contract ;)

To 9:09PM ~~ That sounds about right, yes. Ridiculous, isn't it?

SCATS said...

Yup. The GCSD Code of Conduct is indeed 33 pages long! Memorize it for a pop quiz tomorrow, kiddies ;)

http://web001.greece.k12.ny.us/files/1587/code%20of%20conduct%20final%202012.13.pdf

Anonymous said...

SCATS @ 11:03, I realize they continue to get their increases, my sarcasm @ 9:06 must not have been apparent enough.

Charlie Hubbard said...

33 pages??? Add in different interpretations and enforcement variations = anything goes.

Anonymous said...

Scats, go back and read 2:45's comment. Did the kid do the "right thing" or not?

Anonymous said...

Scats-You think the Greece Police Department is crazy, listen to this. The other day my wife was driving near the Greece/City border. She approached the stop sign at an intersection and, seeing no one coming in either direction, did a "California stop" (sometimes referred to as a "rolling stop"). She was spotted, stopped and given a ticket by the RPD for "Failure to stop at a stop sign."

It's insanity at the highest level!!!

SCATS said...

To 5:06AM ~~ Sarcasm can be difficult to convey via this media. Sorry.

To Charlie Hubbard ~~ Yes, 33 pages long! I think I wrote a BLOG about that back when they were getting ready to approve this monstrosity, but it didn't get much attention. You're right about "anything goes" ... most of GCSD's policies are VERY loosely worded to permit lots of wiggle room, especially when they get their team of legals in on it.

To 9:27AM ~~ I did re-read that comment & since it says the kid was PUNISHED, what "right thing" is left to do?? Seems to me everything has already been done.

To 9:36AM ~~ Perhaps she needs to get her vision tested?? She saw no one, yet a cop in a car saw her!

Anonymous said...

When has anyone in this town ever obeyed the stop sign or turn on red law. .?nVery few. Turn on red is a joke in this town. No one stops and turn as though they had a green light or a turn arrow.Absolutely suicidal driving and is an epidemic in Greece