Wednesday, November 21, 2012

Cold Case Updates ~ Where Are They??

  
Greece Holiday Inn Arson:
34 Years Ago

On November 26, 1978 arson claimed the lives of 10 people at the Holiday Inn, located on West Ridge Road in the Town of Greece, New York. No one has ever been charged with this crime. The guilty still walk free.

"LOST IN THE FLAMES" ~~ Global News Documentary



 
 WHAT HAPPENED TO THE
GREECE POLICE DEPT'S INVESTIGATION??
 


SCATS ~~ It's been months since the community heard an official update about the Holiday Inn murder investigation. Are there still two detectives assigned to the case? What about the Timothy Milgate murder case?? We were told that a possible break was made in that case several months ago too!
 

29 comments:

Anonymous said...

Sad that the keystone cops of Greece can't get to the bottom of any of these cases.

Guide...serve...protect...themselves as usual.

Anonymous said...

Investigators never followed up on tips despite all the nonsense fed to the media. I know several people who had valuable tips and they were never called back about those tips!!!

Anonymous said...

And yet the one suspect they keep coming back to just won an award:

Congratulations
Chief Harold Phillips 11.07.12
The Commission on Professional Credentialing (CPC) met on November 6th and voted unanimously to re-confer the “Chief Fire Officer” (CFO) designation for Chief Harold Phillips. Chief Phillips has earned the professional designation as witnessed by a team of his peers and members of the Commission on Professional Credentialing.

Anonymous said...

This is for the person who posted the comment in regards to the investigators never following up on valuable information. Feel free to create a fake e-mail account and send me a message at toronto.traveler905@gmail.com. I really want to here the whole story.

Anonymous said...

If you really know SEVERAL people with VALAUABLE tips, please ask them to come forward now.

Or are you just making that up?

B-man said...

To Anonymous: What is the "nonsense fed to the media" you refer to? And what are the "valuable tips" you mention? If people have important information regarding this case, they should contact the GPD Task Force again rather than give up, no?

Anonymous said...

What is the purpose of the so called task force if no one gets back to you? The investigator never got back to the persons. So as usual, gpd is feeding nonsense to the media. Baxter said the gpd would follow up and that is a lie. How many other tips have been ignored?

Anonymous said...

No crime to solve here. The fire was never a crime so no suspects exist. Wasting valuable man hours on this tragedy simply because politics dictated that it be declared an arson by Riley and Phelan is a waste of limited resources that could be used investigating actual crimes

11:07 FYI Philips was never informed that he was suspect from the beginning. Why? Because right from the outset, this was a bogus investigation into a none existent crime.

SCATS said...

To 9:37AM ~~ WHAT TIPS? Do you know someone with info? People who lost family in this want to know.

Anonymous said...

The person with the tip never got a call back. So if one person didn't get any follow up i would bet there are plenty more.

SCATS said...

To 10:05AM ~~ FACT: The fire was labeled an arson & arson is a crime. Unless or until that designation is changed, there IS a crime to be solved.

To 1:36PM ~~ Possibly so.

Anonymous said...

If no crime was committed than why was the case never closed? Why can't I Freedom of Information Act request the whole file? What do they have to HIDE? The simple fact is that honesty and truth lead to disclosure. Only corruption has to hiden.

Anonymous said...

A bunch of years ago a friend who was in volunteer fire service mentioned this to me, angrily stating that because of circumstances everyone knew Phillips had set it. I don't recall specifics mentioned and I wasn't interested in it at the time. I asked again recently and they wouldn't discuss the issue at all. Friend said to stay out of it or something.

Anonymous said...

These were both attempts by the new Chief to make a name for himself. Now 2 years later we hear nothing. Baxter is now a politician and the only time you see him is when he can make himself good. If its not good you see one of his Captains.

SCATS said...

TO 11:55PM ~~ Great questions!! ANSWER: It's an open CRIMINAL case which probably will never be solved, thus keeping it ALL locked safely away from public scrutiny.

To 8:42AM ~~ I hate to say it but I tend to agree with you. It's just like Auggie does. Of course, he is Baxter's boss, so he says and does what he's told to do. Another puppet.

Anonymous said...

The reality is the Holiday Inn fire case is FUBAR thanks to the actions of the then Chief. Even if video of the so called perp (PRESUMING it was arson)holding 2 forms of photo ID and signing a confession witnessed by a Bishop & 2 Cardinals would be insufficient evidence to prosecute.

Milgate was looked at by GPD from day 1 as a drug dealer who got what he had coming. Game/set/match! Both cases will sit forever in the Unsolved pile.

Anonymous said...

BAXTER is NOT a puppet!

He knows a priority is to earn the trust of the community. And it takes time for that to happen. And he has to have a job to make that happen. And he also knows Auberger is a short timer. I think he is just savy!!!

SCATS said...

To 1:54PM ~~ That's the first time I ever heard that about Milgate. Where did you get that idea from?? Was there evidence to support it??

To 2:02PM ~~ OK you keep believing that ;)

Anonymous said...

GPD had a suspect from the start in the Milgate murder. It was drug related and never where able to place him at the scene. The name is on the record but the public will never see it unless the cops catch a break and make an arrest

Anonymous said...

What in hell are two cops who weren't even born at the time of the fire going to find that 20 cops working around the clock for two weeks couldn't . Can you imagine their frustration at being required to be sequestered at Fort Phelan and asked to develope evidence and possible suspects and witnesses for a non existant crime that they all knew was politically motivated as well as covering the towns screw up by its employees. It was that simple, nothing more nothing less.
This alleged arson will never be solved as there remains no crime to solve irregardless of what the official designation remains the same, Even then, only in Greece could this take place.

Anonymous said...

To 2:02. LMAO. Good to see the Chiefs wife reads this blog. Word has spread quickly throughout Monroe County that life under Chief Todd is not so great because he is all about one thing, himself. No different than when he was in RPD. He learned from Duffy. Come on Scats, tell me you aren't hearing the honeymoons over? I hear the street cops bitching constantly. Ya think Duffy will bring him on soon?

SCATS said...

To 5:36PM ~~ I'm not so sure that 2:02 is the Chief's wife, but it might well be one of several badge bunnies he has kept around since day #1.

As far as the honeymoon being over goes, I knew the honeymoon with the community was over somewhere around 3-5 months after he started in Greece. From my own personal observations he changed from being a talkative, "share it all with the community" type, to no longer speaking about the ills Greece faces in the law enforcement realm. This past year, he's been NOWHERE TO BE FOUND on some pretty damned high profile issues. Remember, it was Chatterton in front of the cameras acting like a nervous Nellie with Auberger literally watching him behind his back during the Karen Klein circus. Then after the boxing match where he injured his opponent, no one dared say what happened after days of media hype. This fall I brought up how invisible he had become, so suddenly - BAM!- he's on Ridge Rd with Patrice Walsh giving interviews over some insignificant (by comparison) problems. Now he's behind the scenes again. My assumption is Auggie told him to steer clear, for political reasons. Now you are saying the street cops aren't happy. Imagine that!

Anonymous said...

Look, Baxter's not invisible, he's out doing the meetings and community groups circuit. There are no media at these events, but he talks to the public in batches of a few dozen up to a hundred.

Does he answer the questions folks pose in forums like this? No. But he answers the questions that he's asked. They're usually pretty mundane.

SCATS said...

To 11:34PM ~~ So instead of a police chief, we've got a media/PR person. That explains a lot ;)

Anonymous said...

one fact that remains behind the scenes and virtually forgotten is that the Feds are still in town and are interested in any one involved in there ongoing investigation of the incidents created by our scandal ridden leaders of our corrupt conspiracy laden town Government. Could this be why visibility by some of our town leaders, with the possible exception of Baxter, is lacking? Remember, Baxter was not around during the three ring circus in 09 and before.
trust me they are watching and like the guy in the red suit and white beard deciding who was and still "naughty and nice. HO HO HOOOO.

Anonymous said...

1:54 I agree but what if your scenario included a photo of Philips holding and pointing to a bucket labeled, UNTRACEABLE EXCELLERANT. Do you think that would alter your conclusion?

SCATS said...

To 5:53AM ~~ WHICH 3-ring circus do you mean?? There's been so many!!

To 10:44AM ~~ Are you actually suggesting such a photo exists?

Anonymous said...



Naw! Just a continuation of the sarcasim expressed by 1:54 posting on the prosecutorial value of the " evidence"? Outlined in that post.

Anonymous said...

Yup, put faith in Feds.

Feds have produced so very many cases that went to conviction.

If GPD had the same hours to conviction ratio the feds do GPD would write 7 speeding tickets a year.

Wake up and grow up people. Cops don't exist to protect you, they exist to protect the government. The 9 robed wizards in DC have so said in writing.