Friday, August 31, 2012

FBI Investigating Greece


TOWN RECORDS SUBPOENAED
 
RICK ANTELLI & JOHN PARRINELLO INTERVIEWED
 
"Baxter said Friday in a statement that he had been assured that the Greece Police Department is not under federal investigation."
 
 
SCATS ~~ Really Todd!? As if the FBI would tell YOU!

 
D&C STORY

From YNN:

ANTELLI: “A lot of that information should stay right within this board, because there is an FBI investigation going on about that. I really can't elaborate on that.”
BOARD MEMBER: I'm sorry I missed that part. In regards to what?
ANTELLI: I'd rather not say.
He later tells the board again.
ANTELLI: "And there's an investigation going on and I'm a federal witness. Make sure you mark that down."

 

Rick Antelli
 
 

63 comments:

Anonymous said...

Nothing new here, just business as usual in the town of grease ny.

Anonymous said...

Well gee Rick, you gonna tell the feds about all the times your buddy Merrit parked 800 car in front of the beauty shop and came in for a chat?

How about all the Lieutenants stopping in to see what it would take to get promoted?

You gonna tell em about the really good stuff Rick?

Ricky boy must be way down the list on State Street, other people been making the trip for near a year now.

Anonymous said...

12:09 go back to sleep. I think he just told us about theGOOD STUFF. The rest of your comments are crap and you know it . Perhaps you where a fly on the wall and witnessed these incidents as such. If not, you have zero information that is fact based and is pure speculation on your part. On second thought, stay awake. You might dream up another story for us if you go to sleep.

Charlie Hubbard said...

First of all if this meeting of the zoning board had not been 'open' we would know nothing about it. We should think about this the next time we witness a town or school board meeting where virtually no business is dicussed in 'open' which says it was not discussed at all OR was done in the back room AND vitually everything is a unanimous vote. THAT is bad government.

The situation with the hiring of Pignato truly sickens me. With a hugh list of qualified candidates available politics has to be brought into it. Would someone please tell me what the he## Parrinelo is doing being involved in the hiring of a Greece police officer?
Nothing I have not told the new chief - that if you allow 'politics' into your dept. no good will come of it. If that happens please call me and I can assure you I won't need a microphone to be heard at the next meeting. Politics and an effective police dept. cannot co-exist. I told the chief recently HE was the best thing to hit this town in 40 years - it's all about trust.

chubbard005@rochester.rr.com

SCATS said...

To Charlie ~~ Regarding the openness of this meeting: We haven't been told HOW IT CAME TO BE that what Antelli said became known outside that meeting. My impression was that we can thank God for the fact it was TAPED!

Regarding GPD: Let's NEVER forget that had it not been for Nick Joseph coking & boozing it up, then plowing into that car on 390, Merritt Rahn would STILL BE OUR CHIEF!

You must remember that as long as Auberger holds Baxter's purse-strings (which he does), politics & policing appear to remain best buddies in the Town of Greece.

Anonymous said...

10:49 I suggest you employ a search function to go back on this blog. I first mentioned Town employees and officials marching to State Street months ago.

As to 800 car and others being at Antelli's hairdressing parlor regularly, it's well known. It became so blatant GPD cars no longer parked in back and the visitors didn't use the back door. Antelli was offering empty promises in exchange for information he could use in his planned Primary run against Auberger.

Anyone who thinks Baxter doesn't march to a political drum is mistaken.

Anonymous said...

All those meetings are auditaped legally there has to be a complete record somewhere

SCATS said...

To 2:39PM ~~ No one ever said that taping the meeting wasn't legal. As for a "complete record" needing to be kept, I think you are mistaken if you believe the record has to be able to let you reconstruct all that happened or was said. Take GCSD BOE minutes, for example. They are so minimal as to be nearly meaningless these days.

Anonymous said...

What was it in 2003 that the fbi might look into? Why did it take 9 years to get interested?

Charlie Hubbard said...

to 1:07 (anonymous)
Tell us more about Baxter marching to a political drum. What does that mean?

Anonymous said...

when was greece highway department accident cover up?

Anonymous said...

1:07 maybe they were all getting hair cuts, Rick does that too. What on State St ?
Long before he was on the leg.he was always in Auburger's dog house when a board member. Auburger took him to the wood shed after one meeting because Rick dared to ask to be recognized on a agenda item without asking for permission.We all know his worthlessness does not allow comments on any agenda items or discussions.Rick committed the cardinal sin and as a result, in a storage room after the meeting he ripped Antelli with barrage of ethnic slurs.know, I know this to be true because Rick told me about it personally does he want auburgers job. Yes he told me so and was willing to run a primary against the. Party pic if necessary . Maggiie and Rielich know this and Antelli is on their sh. T list. You can take this t o the bank. Depending on the out come of the Maggie Louise race, Jerry Helfer will be the one designated for Greece or will be Maggie's replacement as county exec.in that case robachs stooge Kirk morris will get the nod.

Anonymous said...

Antelli and auberger and have hated each other for years. This is nuttin new. Ricky boy has wanted to be Stupidvisor the day he got elected and Jackie boy has been stickin it to Ricky ever since he found out.

Antelli wants to be supervisor and Auberger wants his boy Jeff Mcann to take over the reign. Not sure who comes out on top with this latest dust up.

Expect alot more of this.

Anonymous said...

That incident happened three or four years ago when Rielichs son demolished a vehicle on ridgeway ave with a town plow under the influence . this is still a touchy subject with town republican officials.

Anonymous said...

the Feds may have told Baxter that the department was not a target, they didn't say that several ranking cops would not be investigated regarding the Pignato Joseph capers. Rahn, Pignato and Joseph have already been interviewed in their new residences according to sources .In this regard look for one captain to leave the force soon to take a security position in the PS.

Anonymous said...

"I know this to be true because Rick told me about it personally"

That right there is the problem with your entire post. Antelli is a compulsive liar. Everyone knows this.

Rick may get you to believe something just because he says it's true, but plenty of people with tell you that he's a liar who can't even keep all his lies straight.

Stick with him though. I'm sure he's promised you too a job when he supposedly becomes supervisor.

meh.

SCATS said...

To 5:49AM ~~ Thank you for that! I've wondered for a long time about whose kid was involved. I should have known.

To 6:50AM ~~ If I were Chief & the FBI told me my dept. wasn't the target but that certain specific individuals within it were, I would most certainly feel "targeted." I would NEVER be so arrogant as to announce to media that the "FBI says my PD isn't targeted." If you don't know WHO is the target, or how many, or what it relates to, you can't know what ultimate impact it might have on the ENTIRE operation. One bad apple CAN taint dozens. We've seen this before. Anyone remember where??

Anonymous said...

Aw hell, it's in the nature of police departments to become abusive and get into trouble. Police Chiefs and command officers generally lead the parade down the garden path.

How long ago was Urlacher removed from RPD?
Where did Rahn, Joseph & Pignato come from? How many others who haven't made headlines?

The 9 robed wizards in DC long ago told us the Popo man exists to protect government, not you. "Protect & Serve" is just another crap sticker on the side of the car.

Rainbow Ricky is just another slug who managed to attach himself to the tomato, along with his wife. He's even honest enough to stick his larceny in your face with his Leg Office in the dump of a plaza. Politics gets him out of the house so he can hang with the boys, and Ricky likes hanging with the boys.

So Ricky tried his best to screw Reilich's kid, no big thing. Ricky quickly learned the City run 911 system looses records for Republicans. Now Ricky's lips are firmly planted on Reilich's ass. That's how the game plays out.

The kid wrecked out, Hairburger wrote a check for a new car, and the taxpayers paid for a new plow truck. It NEVER HAPPENED, there are no records.

It's just politics. It's the same everyplace.

SCATS said...

To 1:02PM ~~ I want to point out that Greece PD's past problems went much beyond the infamous 3 cops who are filling jail cells. Quite a few others got plea deals to save their backsides while ratting on others. Mackin, Trowbridge, etc ... and then some skated right out of the dept. like Wise ;)

Anonymous said...

10:25 Sorry to burst your bubble but when Rick told me personally, he was responding to my question as to the fact that the storage room incident actually took place. You see, I learned of this incident from a former Town Clerk who told me about it. If you must know the whole story to prove Rick was not telling me the truth, heres how it worked back then at open board meetings according to her.
If a board member wanted to make a comment on an agenda item or add something to the agenda, that member had to pass a note to Auburger through the clerk seated next to him asking him for permission. On this occasion,,a 4th ward issue was being voted on and Rick who represented that ward wanted more discussion on the anticipated action. He knew what Jack's answer would be so he he went ahead when the question was called. Neeless to say, he paid the price. by the way accordingly , everyone left in the meeting room, including my informant saw them go into the room to the left of the Dias and the subsequent eruption of of foul language and name calling by little Hitler. Now being of the same ethnic background of Rick, and him telling me what names Jack called him and threatening to get him off the board, my response to Rick was something likes this. How could you take that crap from that Nazi sob without decking him on the spot. I told him if it were me it would be worth every penny of the $12",500 paid to me as a board member to lay him out. Of course had he done so, his political career was over. Trust me this happened and no , the only thing Rick and I have in common is that weare both members of the Gates Italian American Association
You are obviously an Aubie and in complete denial regarding his character and prejudicial conduct as well as his documented immoral principles ..

SCATS said...

An "Aubie"?? Sounds terrible!

Anonymous said...

I will tell you this to be a fact. Any one who has had a chance to see how the FIBIES work will tell you that they love to take down the big cheeses like police chiefs and above. Especially corrupt powerful politicians. If I were Auberger and the FIBIES were conducting an investigation of town government I would not feel good. If their looking to take someone down it won't be highway employee . He doesn't know it but they have painted a bullseye on his a-s and looking for that smoking gun that will give them a clear shot. I believe they are looking to make the case that a conspiracy of some sort has taken place. If so it would be the makings of a RICO violation.

SCATS said...

To 2:35PM ~~ "FIBIES"??

Yes, RICO is exactly what I'm thinking too. Wasn't 2003 during the height of Schwab's indiscretions?

Anonymous said...

Well now, little Ricky ain't exactly against running his mouth really well either.

His "political career" falls directly from his father's connections in the City before the family moved to Greece, and depends largely on the ethnic makeup of Greece. He managed to insert himself into Greece politics, where he wasn't wanted, via the now gone Summer Fest and the 4th ward seat being held by a Democrat.

Let's look at Rick's long list of accomplishments for 4th ward residents.
Stopped Hess from building at Latta & Flynn. Could that have been so Rick could sell the Plaza to Hess?
Stopped DeMays from reopening.




Rick damn well knew how Town Board ran, he attended near every Thursday meeting in the Hairburger Conference Room where he rehearsed his lines on the script. If Hairburger was going to spank Ricky, why the hell would he do so in the meeting room closet when he could just summon the boy to the soundproof second floor rooms?
Like everything Antelli, the story stinks!

If you really want to know Rick Antelli, ask his former tenants about him. Ask Roy the owner of the for,er Gunnie's Pub what Rick called a Nam Vet in the parking lot when he forgot Roy was standing there.

How many times has Rick suckered some tenant with "I'll take care of it, I'm on The Board"? I can think of 3 that went broke because of Rick's misrepresentations.

What about the population wall in Gunnies? "It won't be a problem, the Lemon Tree didn't have a problem."

How long till Rick puts his kid on the taxpayer payroll?

Anonymous said...

FIBIES, FBI LAWENFORCEMENT WANABEES. FIBIES WHAT ALL LOCAL PD'S CALL THE EMPLOYEES OF THE FBI MOST OF WHOM ARE RECRUITED OUT OF LAW SCHOOL. THEY DO NOT LIKE COPS AND WITH THE COPS, THE FEELING IS THE SAME IF NOT WORSE. LOCAL JURISTICTIONS DO NOT LIKE WORKING WITH THESE GUYS BECAUSE THEY WILL TURN ON YOU IN AN INSTANT IF IT SUITS THEIR PURPOSE.

Anonymous said...

2003 = Reilich Jr. accident and cover up. Auberger is a has been big Reilich is a nice piece of cheese.

Anonymous said...

3:18 it's your story that stinks. not one creditable accusation. your story is BS as you obvious have no direct knowledge of you assertions. To say that you don't like M rAntelli is obvious . but, thats Ok . What I have a problem withis your unfounded aimless rambling about things you obvious know nothing about in the first person.My advise to you is if you are going to make derogatory statements about someone, make sure you can prove it, Other wise shut your mouth.
1:55

Anonymous said...

Another FBI investigation of local interest is ongoing in PWC Virginia involving former GCSD Superintendant Steve Walts.

SCATS said...

To 5:34PM ~~ While I see what's "wrong" with the accident, does that really rise to the level of an FBI RICO investigation?? Seems like there's got to be more to the story than that.

To 7:57PM ~~ What's got them looking him over?

Anonymous said...

Hopefully the feds get enough information to lock them all up!! Why is a Captain taking a job at Southerland Group? Don’t think he will be writing anymore checks to Augie or the Republicans.

SCATS said...

To 12:03AM ~~ Seriously!? They do telemarketing, don't they??

Anonymous said...

The only reason the Feds get involved is when they get a creditable complaint that rises to the level of federal statute. Or, when they see the breakdown in the local JURISTICTION s that appears to be a cover up which takes on the appearance of a conspiracy in an attempt to defraud or conceal wrong doing by public officials when dealing with public funds. Since a conspiracy has to involve two or Individules, this will not be a problem. The only question will be how large and to what extent and the number of conspirators are involved.
The Feds have been watching from the sidelines as the Auburger " Dog and Pony show" continues to take center stage at the continuing Town of Greece Circus.
On it's own, the Ridgeway accident coverup would make the grade as public monies were used to compensate the victim in the form of a new car plus$20,000 paid out to the victim to keep her from taking about it. It didn't work as she told enough people to start the rumor mill. One reason why all town financial records were subject to the federal subpoena s
Among other documents.
I think that it goes much deeper than that. The accident coverup might produce the smoking gun that will ultimately lead to more serious indiscretions by a Auburger run town government with regards to the PD scandals. The Feds are looking for evidence of a conspiracy of epic proportion affixed to that scandal. Why else wasParrinello questioned? One thing about the Feds , when they get you in their cross hairs,,they will take what ever measures and time to nail their target.

Anonymous said...

a complaint from a citizens group regarding $ 16 million that' gone missing. 7:57 sound familiar?

Anonymous said...

7:57 You are right about Walts. He is reportedly under investigation for a large sum of money. The complaint was brought by a newly formed taxpayer group in Manasas. Poor Walts, where ever he goes he can't escape from his nemesis locally,CARE! guess what? The name of the group down there, yep you guessed it, CARE INC.

Anonymous said...

Things are starting to make sense now. Several years ago, a highway employee told me about an accident with a town plow on Ridgeway Ave. The driver was young Reilich. He then proceeded to tell me about the cover up along with the financial arrangement with the victim that has been already mentioned in another 's post..Several months ago , I was the recipient of a visit from a GPD officer. He asked what I knew about the incident. Suspiciuos as to why this incident was being investigated, I told him because of the time that had past, my recollection of the details was fuzzy at best. I was-Asked if I ever knew the identity of the driver,I said I didn't recall if I ever knew that. At that time,asking me about information about an incident that I had no direct knowledge and only here say info. No doubt now that this conversation took place as a result of the FBI investigation.It was easy for me to now connect the dots.

SCATS said...

To 3PM ~~ So WHY would a GPD officer be asking YOU about this??? Sounds like our supposedly "clean" PD is still trying to cover up Auggie's messes. If they were truly clean, they would NOT be asking you about something the FBI is investigating.

Anonymous said...

I have no idea. But cops obey orders. He didn't come by on his own. He was obviously ordered to talk to me. In the first place, and at the time, I still wonder about how they knew I knew something about this accident.As we know, orders come from from the top. Since this incident took place long before Baxter became chief, if he gave the order then someone else ordered him to get this done. I have no doubt that Auburger gave this order for two reasons. The ungoing FBI investigation and because of the political fallout to the chairman of the Monro County Republican party and State legislator Bill Reilich .
It boils down to damage control time.Who knows what and how much. This in no way reflects on the department or the officer who visited me. ORDERS ARE ORDERS, a cop is duty bound to obey them.

SCATS said...

To 4:27PM ~~ Oh puh-leeze! Gimme a break asbout being "duty bound." That's how we got into the crapple with Rahn & Co. The "I'm just following orders" credo has worn thin. Take it to the State Police, the Atty Gen. DO SOMETHING, but don't bury your head in the sand when you or others know it's WRONG.

Anonymous said...

Scats get yor head out of the past and bury it, Rahn is gone, Auburger's still their. Baxter in my opinion, is the real deal.To hang the sins of the past and the rest of the department for the wrongs committed by the jail birds
I will conceded one fact. As long as Auburger is in charge, Baxter will be compromised as to what he wants to do and Jack tells him to do. Make no mistake, Aubie baby is still calling the major shots as to the overall operation of the PD. Now more than ever it's his security net. The only area of the operation that he has kept his hands off, is the hiring of new officers. And this , only because his practice of hiring all new cops, blew up in his face. A practice that ended up costing us peon taxpayers over a million to get him off the hook and place the blame else ware
The bright side is in a little over a year he will be history. If we get lucky, the Feds might take him out sooner. In the mean time lets judge our department based on its performance now and not the way it functioned under Rahn and his henchmen.How about it?

Anonymous said...

4;27 would not this be looked on as interfering with a fed investigation?

SCATS said...

To 6:19PM ~~ I'll bury the past when it stops coming back to haunt us. Even you are waffling about Baxter's ability conceding that since he doesn't control his budget that he is at Auggie's mercy. Guess what? He's also at the mercy of those who kept silent when they should have acted under Rahn. If I were Baxter, I'd keep one eye looking over my shoulder at all times.

To 9:24PM ~~ I agree.

Anonymous said...

9:24 Not necessarily true When the Feds show up with subpoenas,they never tell you why or what they are looking for as that gives those involved an opportunity to make thing go away. Now based on the nature of documents requested, town officials might have an idea about their objective but no conclusive proof. The only way your referrence to interference would take place is if one of those subpoenas specially asked for information regarding the highway incident.

Anonymous said...

Baxter's main problem will be gone soon Of the two remaining captains only Phelan will do Auburger's bidding
Ehmacher is his own person and will not plat politics.
Scats, we should hope and pray that Baxter survives the passing of Auburger .Not too long ago, Chatterton told me that he was the only captain to write the last Chief's exam.as he planned to retire soon.
In my opinion, Erhmacher would be the most qualified, he should get the position. right? However because Brian is a by the book cop and won't play Auburger s game, the alternative is down right scary, worse than a three zombie movie. Try this one on for size.Chief Phelan part two. We have seen this movie before. AsYogi would say" it's de ja vu all over again"Chew on that possibility and see how that goes down.

SCATS said...

To 7:12AM ~~ Good point!

To 9:58AM ~~ Uhrmacher should have become chief after Rahn was booted. Your inability to spell his name detracts from your credibility.

Anonymous said...

I stand corrected on the spelling of Brian's last name. but NO BODIES PERFECT. Besides you knew who I meant and it's a tough name to spell. I disagree that my imperfection in that area in anyway would effect my credibility in any readers eyes except you and your infamous red pencil.

SCATS said...

To 11:19AM ~~ I'm sure glad there are "no bodies" to worry about! lol

Anonymous said...

Scats good for you.You caught my intentional gaff. You proved my point about your hang ups on inconsequential details in an attempt to put down those who's comments you don't like and to prove your intellectual superiority over us inferior entities . What was it you once said about TRANSPERENCY ? Try looking in your mirror. I'll bet you won't see your reflection. LOL Of course this will never get posted , but who cares anyway.

Anonymous said...

I don't understand this supposed highway department accident cover-up. Everyone knows Uncle Auggie hates Reilich and rightfully so. Reilich had to give the ok for the other Greece Board members to conduct the private investigation regarding Auberger's affair with the Neusatz woman. Jackie has hated him and the board members ever since.

There's no way Auggie would ever protect Reilich or anyone else. He'd drop dime and turn over whatever evidence he had showing something illegal was done. Besides there's no way you get $20,000 and a new car outta the town coffers without someone else knowing about it. The budget director, the deputy supervisor, jack himself, that Firkins woman, etc.

Besides, who were the people involved that removed the wrecked car? Who got rid of the wrecked truck? Who got the police to destroy their report? Who deleted the 911 calls people who saw this made? Who got those people to "hush up." Who else helped cover up this otherwise HUGE and OBVIOUS accident? This wouldn't have been done by one person and the threat of the FBI coming after you would have made at least someone fess up to what they knew.

Or are we to believe that Jack after all the trouble he's caused and will continue to bring on... is going to go down protecting someone (ANYONE) else besaides himself.

No way no how. No, something else is going on here. Keep digging.

Anonymous said...

How does a private citizan (Antelli) get his hands on a property (Fire House) owned and payed for by the Greece tax payer?

SCATS said...

To 4:37PM ~~ Correctly spelling a name is NOT an "inconsequential detail." In fact, such misspellings may end up pointing the finger at an innocent person.

SCATS said...

To 5:27PM ~~ My guess is the same way as some "lucky" persons will be able to buy 1-3 GCSD schools.

Anonymous said...

Antelli bought the firehouse in a public sale when NGFD declared it surplus.

The fun part, Antelli screwed himself and overpaid. Nobody else bid because the leach field for the firehouse is on Antelli's property.

Anonymous said...

4:50 Your right! A great number of Individules would have had to be involved to make this go away. it's the only reason the Feds are looking at it. If proven, it would constitute a conspiracy of epic proportions
As someone said before, if the Feds get involved in this cover up, they are looking for some big fish to fry in county government as well as political circles.
The question is just this. Who do they have targeted?
I can think of a few. Certainly Auburger and Reilich will get a close look. But I think they are more ambitious. My instincts take me even higher. How about the top official who is running for a national office in this years election? However, if they can't get to that level, they will settle for anyone in between .
Another thought. Given the time and resources the Feds have already invested, they will not leave town without some body's ass in their briefcases.

Anonymous said...

I'd be thrilled to see any of all the people mentioned go down. I think however, we ought not get ready to celebrate yet. We have no indication that there are going to be any indictments other than speculation by a few here.

SCATS said...

To 5:49PM ~~ Actually, I felt better reading that Ch 10 has heard about these allegations for 2+ years now, too. To me, that means there ARE people who know the details. One thing I've learned in running this BLOG is that 98% of the "rumors" related to Greece are based on reality, truth and end up becoming verified.

Anonymous said...

The media and some of you people are so easily fooled by a couple of well placed rumors. Try this little tidbit on for size:

During the investigation into Greece cops Pignato and and Joseph, the interviews turned up a whole slew of illegal dirty cop activities in GPD. John Auberger gave free passes to certain cops who served as cronies to him and Chief dirty cop, Rahn. Others were thrown to the wolves.

Cops that were chased out of the GPD along with Rahn, who couldn't be saved, got ticked off and started sharing this information with greater powers.

Is it a wonder that there are cops that are now quitting GPD? Auberger would gladly comment on any rumor that has people thinking this has nothing to do with him.

Why then is he still in hiding? We'll wait while you put all that that together.

Anonymous said...

9:41 Your right! Our three jail birds are singing like canarys and the Feds love their song. This is especially true of top bird Rahn. He has an ax (Big) to grind with some Individules who as you say" threw him tio the wolves" to save their buts. Auburger for one and his phony lawyer, Parrinello who at the last minute helped open the jail house gates by not having that public hearing on the charges that would have brought forth the truth about Auburger s involvement with The other two being hired solely by him. Not Rahn not the Town board who were compelled to approve the hirings by Captain Jack.
Another individule who I believe is a big player in getting the Feds involved is Rahns mentor and onetime protector. That would be Tom Cook, Chairman of the Monroe County Coservative Party. It was he, back in the mid 90's that saved Rahns ass when Boily tried to fire him. Cook was very quite during that last incident but sources said he was not happy with Lucky Jack 's pinning of the tail on his "Donkey"It's a case of payback
In the making.
Personally, our " Little Napolean" is about to meet his own Waterloo in the very near future.

Anonymous said...

Your 98% claim is a little high but close.I think that will agree That rumors have point of origin . Some are factual and some our based on pure speculation on the part of the origininator. This thread is an example of that fact.
As I read the comments posted, it was obvious to me that some writers are in possession of some of the true facts being discussed. Either by direct knowledge or information received from someone with direct knowledge. Some Individules that are told things in secret, can not resist the temptation to pass it along to friend, And then, on it goes. in most instances, the facts become amplified as they pass from person to person.
Some one once said, If you tell someone a secret , the only way to guarantee he will keep it, is to kill him.
Unfortunately for some ,there is a lot of truth in that fact.

SCATS said...

To 7:15AM ~~ You mention "true facts." Are there some "untrue facts" we should know about? Inquiring minds want to know.

Anonymous said...

Not necessarily ! I make this judgement purely on my own knowledge of the topic under discussion. It is obvious that some writers have picked up some third party information and their comment reflect that as thier posts are general in nature and sometimes speculative and not clearly defined. While others have some close to the top information that is not generally known outside the politics of the accident and the resulting effort to make it go away. Had it not been for eye witnesses to the accident , they might well have gotten away with it.
While its always possible that records of the incident turn up missing, you can not erase the memories of those who witnessed the accident.Now ,apparently after several years, are coming forward as they have retired and no longer work for the town.

SCATS said...

To 2:24PM ~~ I was busting your chops!

"True facts" ... it's redundant ;)

Anonymous said...

I disagree, the phase True Facts is NOT always redundant when used in the proper context as was in my post.

SCATS said...

To 3:42PM ~~ You can disagree all you like, BUT I bet you can't give me 3 solid examples of "facts" that are NOT also "true."

A fact is "something that has actual existence, or an actual occurrence" ... just so you know ;)