Wednesday, August 01, 2012

Braddock's Bay Dredging Delayed


The ongoing saga of getting the job done  continues, before summer ends and boaters call it quits for another year. Notice how Town of Greece Deputy Supervisor Jeff McCann sits mute in the video.


   

25 comments:

Anonymous said...

Didn't democrats suggest using government funding to buy a multimillion dollar dredge so these few boaters could get out of the marina?

SCATS said...

To 2:22PM ~~ Nope! They didn't suggest buying anything.

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry, but the dredging of the channel at Braddocks is waste of time and money due ths present environmental obstacles that exist at that location
In 73' Hurricane Agnes devastated the strip of land that extended west and made up the eastern barrier for the channel . That western most part of that peninsula is now part of the bay bottom.
After that, attempts to dredge a six foot deep channel from the bay extending northeast 200 yards into the lake , proved fruitless . A dredging barge was purchased and the channel was successfully opened by placing the sand from the dredging operation on the western point of the peninsula . This would prove disastrous as several sever Nor 'Easters that winter , washed the sand back into the bay closing the channel completely
It has long been known by the Army Corp of Engineers, that in order to successfully dredge and maintain a channel, two parallel protective barriers would have to be constructed extending north east into the lake. One extending outward fron the west end of the remaining peninsula , the other from a man made barrier extending east from the western bay opening.However, neither the State or Federal governments wanted to foot the bill to get this done. The costs would have been enormous especially to build the barrier to close off the open western most opening of the bay.
The Corp knew that unless this configuration was adopted and built, dredging a channel without the protective piers , was not realistic and would have the same year to year problem and require yearly expensive dredging to maintain a passable channel into the lake.
Unless someone comes up with the money to do it right,dredging is not an a realistic concept.
Aside from boaters being denied access to the lake, a greater ecological consequence of the lack of a deep channel into the lake is the devastating effects it is already having on the bay itself, At one time, the average depth of the bay was about 12 feet. however because without the bay waters being able to flow into the lake, the bay bottom has been compromised and has over the years has filled in with run off from the tributaries that empty into the bay. As of the present the average bay depth is about five feet.
If this situation is not corrected, Braddocks Bay is in danger of becoming the equivalent of a pond and Greece would loose one of its beautiful natural resources.




winter
washed the sand back in to the channel and comespring, no channel existed.

Anonymous said...

Democrat Dan Maloney when he ran for Town Supervisor wanted to see the town pay to dredge the bay. Waste of money then and waste of money now. It's a private marina, let the marina owner and the boaters pay to dredge it.

SCATS said...

To 10:24PM ~~ Wanting the Town to get it dredged is MUCH DIFFERENT than having the Town buy the equipment.

By the way John, I suggest you seek therapy for that grudge you have against Dan. It's Uncle Auggie's fault he almost lost the election ;) lol

Anonymous said...

10:24 Why do you insist on politicizing this topic. 2:57 was right on the mark. It's not really a local political issue. It's not just about the marina and boaters,it's more of an environmental issue that needs to be addressed Inorder to keep the natural resource the bay represents from becoming a weed filled Lilly pond in the near future.
By the way, a few years ago, the marina operator tried to blow out a crude channel by using the large propeller from his tug boat to clear away enough sand to deepen the water.
Shortly after the project started, the operation was over flown by a DEC helicopter which halted the operation and the marina owner suffered a stiff fine from the DEC
DEC Otherwise known as the Department of Environmental CORRUPTION !!! He tried but the powers that be prevailed.

SCATS said...

To 9:23AM ~~ In the link below, it says the marina owner already owned a dredger but was seeking funding to get the job done. Auberger, Robach, Slaughter et al have all failed to get 'er done.

http://rochesterhomepage.net/fulltext?nxd_id=15287

Anonymous said...

Scats that is correct.the marina property is owed by the town.
The marina operator has a license with town to operate the marina. Remember, I said Licence. In the agreement, the town agreed to provide the equipment, manpower ect. To maintain the channel. One of the first thing Auburger did when elected supervisor was to refuse to honor that commitment . This put the marina operator in a bind because as I said before, the marina operator had a " LICENSE" to operate not a LEASE agreement. This was a huge mistake on the part of the operator. A license to operate as APPOSSED to a lease agreement . A Licence to operate can be changed or cancelled at the discretion licensing authority. Where as a lease that had stated provisions voided or changed with the agreement of operator constitutes a breach and can be challenged in court by the aggrieved party. Plain and simple, Auburger took advantage of this young man trying to operate a business.
Someone might correctly state that the operator still had legal options. However, prior to Auburger's reign, this young man had invested thousands of dollars of his own funds rebuilding
the docks, the buildings etc. Because all of these improvements took place on town owned property, legally they belong to the town and could not be moved or require the town to reimburse the operator for his investment. My point is this. If he pushed too hard good bye license and his investment. This was a classic Auburger orchestrated SUCK PUNCH directed at this inexperienced young man and his family

Anonymous said...

"a weed filled Lilly pond"

As an environmentalist, if this is what mother nature makes happen here then this is the way we all should allow it to happen.

Man-made physical changes to the natural order of land, air and water are what is destroying our beautiful natural world.

Anonymous said...

Thanks 2:57 for the background. We moved to Greece in the 90s and have never known Braddock Bay to be anything but a shallow wetland/pond. It would be a fantastic recreation area (and probably a popular place to visit for boaters from elsewhere) if the depth in the channel and at least some parts of the bay was restored to 10-12 feet.

The Genessee river has obvious aesthetic shortcomings, so east-west travelers would welcome a new place to stop between Oak Orchard and Sodus Bay. Irondequoit Bay won't do for most deep draft boats due to the bridge cutting off access to the deeper draft marinas for sailboats with tall masts. Braddock Bay could really compete, if only it were restored to pre-1970s condition.

Anonymous said...

It would be interesting to see what a skilled civil law attorney might be able to argue on the IMPLIED AGREEMENTS contained i the license. Even if the town has no legally contractual requirement to do anything os there an implied agreement (that is recognized by a civil jury) surrounding the license? If a jury so it is so, then it is, until an appeal is waged and won.

Anonymous said...

Mr environmentalist. Your thinking is roughly 200 years to old. Man kind took that long to compromise mother natures plan for this planet. You certainly what it takes to turn a body of water into a weed filled pond. It's the run off from environmental pollution that contributes to aquatic growth such as weeds. That is exactly what is happening at Braddoks Bay.

As caretakers of this planet, we have obligation to try and correct the problems we created for the natural order of things That is why we need to do our part to help right some of the wrongs we created by using our resources to help save the bay from becoming a victim of mankinds technical development . Letting the bay"breath again." by opening up a 12 foot channel into the lake so nature can work to restore its one time beauty befor it's too late

Anonymous said...

Hmmmm, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that some of the above "environmentalists" are actually BOATERS. Ya think?

SCATS said...

To 1:06PM ~~ Are those activities mutually exclusive in Greece NY?

Anonymous said...

1:06 I am going out on a limb here but it's quite possible that you got something against boater. Ya think???Also I will bet that your one of these guys that dresses up like Lance Armstrong and riding down a busy highway is your Idea of recreation and cheap at that.

SCATS said...

OK fellas, let's not start a peeing contest over whose sporting goods are bigger or better, geeze.

Anonymous said...

6:28 I don't know who the other person is but I'm not a Fella, I don,t even own a bike but your right. End of story..

Anonymous said...

One of the local news stations is reporting that while private pension recipients pay state income taxes on income above $20,000, those receiving a state pension pay no taxes at all on their pension income. Maybe a public outrage can help eliminate this unbelievable disparity on the state tax code. C'mon already! Most of the private pension recipients get a lower amount to start with, then they pay taxes on most of it while their puiblic retiree neighbors get a free ride on state taxes??? What gives???

SCATS said...

To 7:42PM ~~ I saw that upcoming story teaser too. The thing is, this is old news. They just "forgot" it's been this way for years. You heard the "reason" given, right? That it's to keep state employees in NY during their retirement. The rest of us they want gone maybe?

If I'm not mistaken, the coverage on that is on Ch 10 following Olympics coverage late tonight.

SCATS said...

To all who might be interested in Braddock's Bay:

A friend found the link to this document titled "Local Waterfront Revitalization Program" for the Town of Greece. (draft)

Does anyone know if this or an amended plan was ever adopted?

What was the date/timeframe that this plan was put forth?

Why was it not adhered to?

Anonymous said...

Where's the golf pasture?

Before the State turned that mess over to Greece the State spent truckloads grading off a golf pasture North of the Parkway. Somebody even absconded with all the dirt removed from the golf pasture. Rogie's assistant who went to Jail spent months looking for the dirt.

The State gave up on golf pastures and Greece didn't pick that ball up. There are more ball chasers in Greece than boaters. Make the golf pasture happen NOW!

That dredge deal is old enough to vote. Town of Greece got a dredge long ago and put it in the Bay, then somebody wrecked the dredge.

DAMN, is dredging a damn pond that won't stay dredged really an issue?
Is that the best Greece has for entertainment? Do the people crying about dredging have a clue what is involved in the job or what it will cost?

SCATS said...

To 11:31PM ~~ The Town of Greece has plenty of places for people to go to hit & chase those little white balls. That just doesn't float everyone's boat, so dredging is an issue.

Anonymous said...

11:31 You Convieniantly left out another part of that proposed project. Not only did it create a golf course but also called for the construction of a system of canals that would have connected Braddoks Bay with Cranberry Pond and Long Pond and channel from Long Pond into the Lake.
Recreational areas as well as a Restuarant Convieniantl to boaters, golfers as well as the general public.

It was quite some time ago. I had an opportunity to see the State's rendering of the proposed plan. God it was beautiful. My recollection is a little hazy on some of the other things contained in the plan. However you are right. The project got started by the state and instantly ran into host of missteps that were costly. The eventually abandoned the plan as funding was diverted to other parts of the state. Efforts to get the Feds involved failed and it died and the rest, what we have left. Nothing, except a total waste of tax bucks already spent on the doomed plan.

When I look back on that plan, it makes me sad when I think about the missed opportunity for our Town. This not only would have provided something for everyone, but would have the made good use of Greece's natural resources making the town the envy of this part of our state. Also most importantly, it would given this town an asset to be proud of as well as a positive identity. Something that is sorely missing at this point in time.

Anonymous said...

SCATS dredging the litterbox wouldn't be an issue if you'd just use Fresh Step Crystal.

Bottom line, dredging the Bay is simple and could be done cheap. What to do with the silt & sand dredged out may be a far greater expense than the cost of actual dredging. The situation as it stands today has become a circular nightmare. EPA and the Possum Police from NYS won't allow a damn thing to be dredged.

This situation has become progressively worse since the 70s when the Town began constructing Mt Kintz from Flynn Rd to N Greece running track by hauling the Town of Ogden in 1 truckload at a time. Even the relaxed standards of that time wouldn't permit Bay dredgings to be deposited on Mt Kintz. Today's higher standard of insanity requires sandbags used in flooding prevention to be hauled to special landfills.

Way too many people at 4 levels of authority get to approve any plan to dredge the Bay for anything to move ahead today. When that is balanced against the number of people who want to float their boat in the Bay the job becomes a nonstarter.

Anonymous said...

SCATS, I have the slogan you were looking for:

Greece, the land of missed opportunities