Tuesday, July 17, 2012

GCSD Must Approve COMIDA Plan For Mall

Wilmorite & GCSD have "made significant movement."

The plan would freeze the mall's assessment at the current level ~ approx. $91 million. GCSD would get a 2 %/yr. increase in payments under a PILOT agreement for 15 years. The town & Monroe County would receive a 0.06 %/yr. increase. The PILOT agreement would be revisited after 15 years.

SCATS ~~ All the fear about Greece Ridge mall becoming like Irondequoit mall can't be alleviated with this (or probably any other) deal!! That's just political hogwash to try to scare people into getting onboard with this tidy little giveaway that hurts other retailers AND taxpayers!
 

18 comments:

Anonymous said...

How is it in a representative democracy or a republic, that we have groups of appointed, but unelected people who have the authority to raise our taxes with no ability to confront or voice our opinions?
NY state is rife with authorities that have this unchecked power over us. The Turnpike Authority raises our rates on the Thruway, Power authorities raise rates with little regard for the ratepayers, and now COMIDA has provided taxpayer supported building costs to a commercial enterprise. In Rochester, someone has given the new Hilton Hotel breaks (more properly called taxpayer subsidies to offset building costs) to the new hotel.
How many free meals will the Greece taxpayers get at the Mall restaurants, and how many free nights will the Rochester taxpayers get at the Hilton in exchange for their "investment"? And finally, when will we taxpayers finally get representative government that our forefathers fought so hard for?

Anonymous said...

This deal is a total waste of taxpayer money. Wilmorite will create minimum wage, go nowhere jobs for decades and get millions in tax abatements. AND we, the middle class will get the shaft for decades.

Anonymous said...

Wilmorite is in bed with the republican establishment. They know how to work the system and get the public to fund their corporate greed. We are the dumb ones who continue to let the same politicians control our environment without accountability. Nothing will change. Greece andMonroe country politicians are undoubtedly getting remuneration from Wilmorite in one form or another. The public thinks that bending over and grabbing their ankles is a normal way to support Maggie, Augie, Joey, and Bozo, the Repub. chair.

Anonymous said...

Until the voters in this county and town. Stop behaving like robots and continue to vote the way of their fathers, the Republican establishment will continued to emboldened by their un willingness to vote for some one other than a the person in power , we will continued to sheared like mindless sheep as the laugh at our resistance to Change.
Why to you think all the former democrats that hold positions of power switched parties. Joe, Jack, Ray, Jeff among others took advantage of this situation as a ticket to continued political success regardless of who they screwed in the process.
Complaining ain't gonna get done. The polling place is where we can make a difference and wake up to the fact that these take us for granted and " Fiddle " while while Greece burns along with the rest of us.
take a chance . send them a message, Give them cause to pause by voting some or all of them out and exile them to the garbage can where they belong. Until we collectively take this action , nothing will ever change in this town and if anything will become much worse

Anonymous said...

But HOW do we vote against the folks at COMIDA who keep giving away our money? That's the point, I think, of the first post.

SCATS said...

To 2:46PM ~~ I think all you can do is to vote against the politicians like Maggie & Jack who continually support COMIDA projects. At the very least, that would be a good start. ask candidates their position before they get elected.

Anonymous said...

It's off topic, but I would like to vote against any candidate who supports these little elitist groups (ie, authorities) who control the Thruway, the power companies, etc and think the way to increase business is to raise the cost of using their piece of responsibility. If the state Legislature cannot run these operations, we should get the state of NY out of that business. Authorities have no one to answer to.

Anonymous said...

Greece and Monroe County is overbuilt commerically and certainly overbuilt with chain restaurants-- while local restaurants struggle, If you want food out of a bag go to these chain restaurants. have you noticed how bland a similar all the businesses on Ridge Rd look. This is what our tax breaks pay for.

Anonymous said...

Hats off to the Greece superintendent for taking on this PILOT program.

Now its is time find out why it seems Greece Town council members were not aware of this program. How did it get by them? Why were they not asked for a buy-in?

SCATS said...

To 12:27PM ~~ They rubber stamp everything with a "yes" vote. Saves them from having to educate themselves about what they are doing.

Charlie Hubbard said...

Unfortunatly COMIDA has become yet another agency 'out of control' and without oversite.
The recent tax reductions granted to the mall for new restaurants came down from COMIDA as a directive. Those taxing entities effected will need to increase the taxes of 'others' to pay for it.
County government says nothing and no vote taken by county government which says 'they do not care'.
Town government says nothing and no vote taken which says they also 'do not care'.
Only the school district said 'wait a minute' - 'what's going on here' 'why are we doing this'??? The fact is they were all being 'TOLD' by COMIDA what COMIDA was going to do. This is so bad the school district had to hire a law firm at taxpayer expense to stop this government agency from forcing tax increase (which will happen with town and county taxes) to cover the 'fetish' of this government agency.
Only the school district (in this case) can stand proud for looking out for taxpayers AND being up front and open about it. The school district deserves 'kudos' on this item.
COMIDA however deserves oversite - LOTS - of oversite.

SCATS said...

To Charlie ~~ While I agree with most of what you wrote, I think we both know GCSD had an ulterior motive in opposing this. They certainly weren't looking out for you, me or taxpayers here. They were ensuring they could get their future budgets in order with as little trouble as possible.

Anonymous said...

Charlie, I thought the lawyer contacted the school district and convinced them to pay him to get them more money.

What was the final cost to taxpayers for the lawsuit? The public deserves to know.

SCATS said...

To 11:23AM ~~ Where did that nugget of info come from?

Charlie Hubbard said...

to 11:23 - I have no idea how it all came about with the law firm. What is important here is COMIDA says WE are going to grant this tax break to Wilmorite and you (county, town, school) have nothing to say about it. And if you don't like it - tough - THAT is an agency out of control. We have no idea what our elected officials think about this because it was never voted on at the town or county level.

chubbard005@rochester.rr.com

Anonymous said...

Let’s be real, folks. These Industrial Development Agencies (like COMIDA – County of Monroe IDA) are all over the state, established by state law. You want to point a finger? Point at Albany, not locally. These deals exist everywhere, regardless of which party is locally in control.

This is the New York way. Nobody but a fool pays full commercial tax rates – that is not the intent of the system. The intent is to bring businesses to the negotiating table with local leadership, so that real tax rates can be negotiated in return for political input to other business decisions. Small businesses get blanket tax breaks because they are not worth the effort to negotiate with; big businesses get COMIDA and myriad other vehicles for coming to the table and negotiating tailored tax breaks in return for other agreements (e.g. commitments to build locally, green policies in excess of legal requirements, etc).

SCATS said...

To 6:29PM ~~ As I read your comment, it strikes me that you are more or less saying we should just bend over, grab our ankles & take it because "these deals exist everywhere."

I live here & I want LOCAL politicians to take a stand and do something.

Charlie Hubbard said...

to 6:29
2 items need to be added.
#1 is COMIDA giving tax breaks for 'retail'. In this case we are talking about giving tax breaks to add more restaurants in our town ??????
#2 is every tax break givin to one means a tax 'increase' for the rest of us. In this case it's property taxes - LOCAL property taxes. I have heard no mention of 'spending reductions' to compensate for these tax breaks so higher taxes will need to be paid by the rest of us. Please explain how building more restaurants (more retail) promotes economic growth.
Lastly to put the blame on the state of N.Y. while local elected officials 'chose' to do nothing is a hugh 'cop-out' - example - stand up and tell the taxpayers what the tax rate increase will be and have a public vote on it. The school board has demonstrated it can be done. The others are using the cop/out method.
Property tax payers deserve to be represented (openly and honestly) and accountable. COMIDA (unelected) has demonstrated they flat out don't give a damn what the taxpayer thinks. Politics first.
Frankly people who think they are 'above' the taxpayers truly scare me.