Friday, July 13, 2012

COLD CASE BREAK!!

  
News10NBC reports:

59-year-old Edward Laraby will be arraigned Monday for killing music teacher Stephanie Kupchynsky 21 years ago!!
  
SCATS ~~ Wouldn't it be wonderful if they could make an arrest in the Holiday Inn arson case?
  

26 comments:

Anonymous said...

THE HOLIDAY INN FIRE WAS NOT AND NEVER WAS AN ARSON. ALTHOUGH OFFICIALLY IT WAS DECLARED AN ARSON, NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THIS CAUSE WAS EVER FOUND.

ITWAS DECLARED AN ARSON TO SHIELD THE TOWN WITH REGARDS TO LIABILITY. THIS WAS A MUST BECAUSE A WEEK EARLIER, THE TOWN FIRE MARSHALL CERTIFIED THAT THE BUILDING WAS IN COMPLIANCE WITH FIRE CODES AND NO SAFETY ISSUES WERE FOUND. AN ARSON DETERMINATION GETS THEM OFF THE HOOK. ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A CONTINUATION OF CONPIRACIES THAT HAVE BECOME THE HALL MARK FOR THIS TOWN.

THE CURRENT ONGOING INVESTIGATION STARTED BECAUSE A VICTIMS FAMILY MEMBER DEMANDED THE CASE BE REOPENED. THIS INVESTIGATION IS WINDING DOWN AND THE RESULTS WILL BE ANNOUNCED SOON. ALL OFFICERS INVOLVED IN THE INVESTIGATION HAVE BEEN INTERVIEWED INDIVIDUALY AND ASKED TO DISCLOSE THEIR FINDINGS AS WELL AS THEIR OPINION ON WHETHER OR NOT THIS TRADJEDY WAS REALLY AN ARSON

SCATS said...

To 1:46PM ~~ Of course, there's not one iota of proof to back your OPINION, is there? If there is, please show us the documentation. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Scats, it appears that both sides should present their proof, if there is any, that it was or was not, arson. Why do you single out this one claim for your response?

SCATS said...

To 3:14PM ~~ My "proof" is in the fact that it was officially declared to be an arson! Since there's only one person who commented, how can you say I singled him/her out? lol

SCATS said...

By the way, I will also point out the Canadian investigative report & video titled "Lost in the Flames." They named a key suspect who later told local media he didn't appreciate having to talk about or remember that night again every so often. TOO BAD!

Anonymous said...

Scats, one can hardly argue with THAT evidence!

Anonymous said...

let me be the second person to declare that this fire was not an arson. Do I have. Proof no because there was none in the first place . just because this fire was declared an arson does not make it so without proof.
Blog master, your proof is without proof and you no as well as me that this kind of crap routinely went on back then as it does now in this town , even worse if you can imagine that .Trust me it went on. The only difference between now and then was the fact that those involved in cover ups then were a lot smarter than the clowns that got caught this time.

SCATS said...

To 6:38PM ~~ You make no sense. Either there was proof it WAS arson, or there was proof it was NOT arson. You can't have it both ways then declare it as YOU see fit.

As far as the crap that goes on, I thought your new kid Baxter had it ALL cleaned up ;) lol

Anonymous said...

The origin of the fire was the South stairtower where Holiday Inn had parked all the new mattresses that were delivered ahead of schedule.

Said stairtower was known to be a smoking location for employees of Holiday Inn.

The Arson declaration was made by Gerald Phelon long before he had any chance to confer with the Fire Marshall. Phelon then secured the fireground and entered into his investigation to make the case.

Also it is of note that the mattresses might not have been in the stairtower when the building was inspected, if it was, by said Fire Marshall.

As to the statement everyone concerned with the fire has been interviewed, BULLCRAP! Nobody talked to me, and nobody talked to the only GPD detective who was fire certified at the time.

SCATS said...

To 11:51PM ~~ So what do you think happened?

Anonymous said...

SCATS, in what regard?

How the fire got started?

How thousands of manhours and a large motel bill were expended?

What was Phelon's primary concern upon arrival at the Holiday Inn?

Why Phelon called it an arson within minutes of being paged off his stool at Barnard Exempt?

SCATS said...

To 12:42AM ~~ All of the above?

Anonymous said...

You paying by the word SCATS?

How the fire got started?
Greatest likelihood is one or more HI employees were doing a doobie or smoking legal cigarettes in the stairtower on the first floor. For some unknown reason said employee was either summoned or surprised and the lighted smoking matter wound up in the mattresses. The initial ignition may have been either accidental and unknown or deliberate.

Depending on which busboy you asked, there may or may not have been a smoking area constructed at the bottom of the stairs when the mattresses were stored there. One doper, initials **H stated that there was, and he not only helped build it, he spent hours hiding out there smoking dope.

How thousands of manhours and a large motel bill were expended?

At that point in time GPD under Phelon was very big into Task Forces and grants. Start by looking at the famed Crime Impact Team. Phelon with approval of the then Supervisor rented the entire Motel opposite Ridgemont, and ordered all Detectives to work & live in said Motel until the case was closed. Overtime hours flowed freely to members of the Friends of Gerry club. One or more Detectives refused to play the 24/7 Bonus Bonanza, much to Phelon's displeasure.

What was Phelon's primary concern upon arrival at the Holiday Inn?

Where was a certain politician known to have his own stool at the HI Bar and complementary room key so he could pleasure himself with the girl of the day.


Why Phelon called it an arson within minutes of being paged off his stool at Barnard Exempt?

Most probably because his BAC was too high for his brain to be functioning. He didn't recall shooting his mouth off until he saw it on the news. From then on he had to make it an arson. Poor Gerry wasn't even informed of the fire until his pager was set off by the dispatcher.

It's also probable Gerry thought his calling it an arson would end the investigation. He personally ordered that a generator be found and set up on the scene to power the camping trailer he initially had brought in and set up at the Northeast corner of the fireground so he could stay warm and be comfortable. Said generator was rented from an electrical contractor in Gates, and regularly refueled and serviced by the contractor's employees entering the fenced in fireground.

Anonymous said...

11:51 You are obviously trying to portray yourself as an excop. I find it odd that you consistently spelled your ex bosses name wrong. For the record it's Phelan not Phelon
So how could one so close not be able to get even get his name right. You obviously have third party info probably from one of twenty or so real cops actually involved in the phony investigation that followed working out of the motel on Ridge Rd. Hey pal, if you were really there and haven't been summoned , trust me the call is forthcoming.

SCATS said...

To 2:19AM ~~ I don't pay at all, sorry.

To 6:51AM ~~ The name spelling has been an ongoing issue on here for a very long time. I can think of 2 very good reasons for spelling it as it was. As far as the "current investigation" goes, I think it's pretty much dead. The assigned cops have been in the news lately working on other cases.

Anonymous said...

2:19 you are complete joke. What a bunch of rumor plaqued bull crap you just posted. Your account of the incident is out of site. Maybe you are now to old to even remember the junk you were told by fireman and others attached to Greece Ridge Fire Department. I bet you were a fire breathing volunteer at the time.
The fact of the matter is that the cause of the fire was never determined as no residue from your so called mattresses were never found along with the accelerant that would have been used to set the fire. there were a lot of theories about how it started but no evidence to support them. So when in doubt, call it an arson since there remains no way to disprove that finding either.
As for your busboy BS there was then and remains in the minds of Phelan and a few others only one suspect in this investigation. The main reason he became a suspect was because he happened to be going by, saw the fire and called it in and then stuck around to help in the rescue attempt. Now I ask you if you had just set a fire of that magnitude,given the fact that you were known to investigators as a volunteer member of Greece Ridge, would you be anywhere near that scene. I don't think so unless you are totally insane.
I knew the suspect at that time and had abeer with him at the "Cave" the night before as I had done on previous occasion s and he was always perfectly normal.
Phelan and His boss desperately needed a suspect and he was their scap goat.
Yes your right about one thing. FORT PHELAN was established at the Poplar Motel across from Ridgemont plaza. twenty or more cops were sequestered there for 10 days 24/7 . Access to the Fort was cut off by a patrol car stationed at the entrance for some reason probably to make sure non of the cops tried to escape
It was a real HOOP
A little known fact took place on the last night of the end of the seige, when the owners of the Motel had to call the State Police because the end of the investigation binge got out of hand and the arso investigators almost burned down the place by throwing rolls of fire ball toilet paper from the second floor balcony
These were interesting times back in the 70's in Greece.

SCATS said...

Well, well, well ... I figured if I made a statement like the case is pretty much dead it would get a reaction. Didn't expect it this fast though lol

Posted at approx. 9AM today to the Holiday Inn Truth Fire page on Facebook was this message from Gpd Task Force:
"Just want to take a moment to let everyone know that we are still hard at work on this case. For obvious reasons I can't discuss details, but I can assure you things are moving forward. We do have other cases to investigate from time to time, but this remains our primary assignment. As always, if anyone has information they believe would be helpful, please contact Sgt. Welch or Sgt. Voelkl of Greece Police Department. -Sgt. Voelkl"

Anonymous said...

Congradulations Scats you made them do a little PR work if nothing else. I find it hard to believe that the GPD has the man power to support a Task Force let a lone an effective investigative bureau to work on a case as fridged as this one. I think they have about six men assigned to the detective division not county the officer in Charge, Cpt
PHELAN.! get the picture.lol!!!

I think 1:53 's post pushed the right button and lit Daddy's
Famous paranoid personality .

SCATS said...

To 10:05AM ~~ Thanks. You are likely right ;)

Anonymous said...

Well, 1:53, sorry to break your theory but the only fire I ever put a hose to was in a charcoal grill. Mom raised her boy to get the hell away from fire, not run into it.

Sorry for the delayed reply, but I had to read your GCSD typing a few times to understand what I believe you wanted to say.

Your suggestion on residue indicating arson in the stairtower is a foolish vector to fanticy. Residue of foam mattresses and packing material was pretty well washed away by the water pumped onto the building in the surround & drown operation conducted by GR, NG, Barnard etal on that fire.

I had forgotten the name of the Motel Poplar Gardens, I do loose a detail from time to time.

Don Riley currently relates a wonderful tale of picking up a "real" arson investigator at the Airport & hauling him to the HI well after evidence was destroyed.

Greece PD is probably also working as we speak on that other huge fire on Ridge Rd, the plaza at 104 & Fetsner. Funny how that basement that would never again be occupied by humans according to Don Riley back then seems to be full of humans again. Same number of access points it had back then too.

You're right on the Bud thing, even though I never nursed a beer with Bud, he didn't light the Holiday Inn. Sure would have been a pure beach if the insurance carrier for HI had conducted an audit of that firefighting operation back then.

I'm certain the current task force of Baxter's Bunnies under the command of Swine 1's kid will close all of these cases with record speed. Gotta be some dead guy they can hang it on by now, and Baxter and the hoppers need something good to announce.

Now that the Bunnies are hopping maybe next week we can visit the bullet hole in Swine 1s house, and who put a round through the glass door from the roof to his office on Island Cottage. I hear he still has his London Bobbie helmet in the glass dome in his living room.

Greece PD, unending entertainment.

Anonymous said...

2:28 I read your comments and it s obvious you were around at that time. In your response to the GCSD written er you forgot or never knew what started the Dorsey Rd fiasco. How about the bullit hole in the fender of 800
The guy you say Riley picked up at the airport was a hired gun arson expert from New York. As you stated after the fact and the scene was now compromised and worthless.
I disagree with your supposition that the evidence was washed away. That position by you assumes there was evidence in the first place of arson. Not so.
The city investigators said it as a natural occurring fire that resulted from the spontaneous combustion of highly combustible fumes from cleaning substances in a store room the origin of the fire the spread of which was aided by the freshly cleaned floor and staircase by use of one of those combustibles.
As to the after the fact expert, he did what he was paid to do, called it an arson. He stated in his report that the accelerant used to set the fire leaves no detectable signature once burned. really, so how did he detect it ?What a joke. But the town got what they wanted. An expert to testify in court
Like the person said Greece was really an interesting place back then and then some.

Anonymous said...

I was DEFINITELY around back then, and there are incidents I won't post because they'd make it too easy for a Dorsey Rd resident to identify me.

800 car, which of many that were constant customers of Stonewall's alignment rack because Swine 1 drove by bouncing 800 between the curbs? The 2 most joyous nights of my life were when he damn near fell off the press box roof after the fireworks show, and the night he couldn't remember which mic was GPD and which was the County. He banged away on the County channel till the Hill replied "Go ahead Swine 1". Then he began yammering because he totally missed the Swine 1 part.

How many 800 cars were impaled on phone poles after he centerpunched the grill with a pole? The night he centerpunched the YELLOW pole @ Latta & Mt Reid in front of the firehouse was magnificent. He ran it all the way to Dorsey, called GPD claiming neither radio in 800 worked, and had a copper dispatched to his house to write the report. Antifreeze trail ran from Latta to beyond English. He met the copper at the door with a bottle in his hand and announced he needed a stiff drink to calm his nerves. And people wonder where Nick Joseph learned.

Let's not forget his coverman either, Sgt Check Coat who sat 2 seats from the Judge on Court nights. The GPD Sgt who proudly wrote his own press release announcing he had a Doctorate from COLUMBIA PACIFFICA. Nothing like a doctorate from a university located above a pool hall on the West Coast, especially one that advertised in magazines. Sean G personally told me Swine 1 signed off so the Sgt got his tuition from the Taxpayers.
Sean blew his entire retirement on the Fast Ferry, real genius there.

Riley's been working on the story of the NYC expert, and has it well polished. Total B.S.

Back then Arson investigation wasn't what it is today. I've seen too many jobs the City wrote cause = electrical malfunction without shoveling the crap off the floor to find the burn marks from the pool of gasoline.

At this date if someone walked in with a movie of the fire starting and the perp wearing photo ID, Baxter's clowns couldn't make it, particularly with Lt Nepotism in charge.

Anonymous said...

12:35. I had you figured right. You DEFINATELY knew what took place back in those memorable , hilarious times.
Iam currently working on an outline and researching some of those outrageous moments for a book about the town of Greece from the 60's until the present. I intend to devote a great deal about the RAGING 70's and the incidents that took place in that infamous reign of terror that controlled everything that went on in Greece.
From what you wrote, I realize that you are in posession of some info about incidents that escaped me at the time.
At some point in the near future , I would like to talk with you in some manner if your willing and compare notes. I will figure out a way to communicate with you when the time is right. If interested let me know I have set up a private line for this project.
I'm using this venue to communicate for now if Scats will be OK with it If not , will use the personals in the D&C . I will refer to you as the 70's kid. I have a September target date for that chapter. Watch then.

Anonymous said...

6:44, I was no kid in the 70s and I have a damn good memory.

I also well recall 1 administration damn near setting Town Hall on fire destroying records before Fred became Supervisor.

I don't read the D&C, nothing there worth reading.

Unfortunately 2 of the best sources of GPD info from that time, regulars at the barof the Mapleleaf have both lost most of their recall. Several others are dead.

The reality of GPD is REPEAT, REPEAT, REPEAT with only the names of the command changed.

Anonymous said...

Sorry you took offense at my recognition code name for you. At any rate, forget about it as I Am only interested in solid provable information. Rumors and innuendos won't get it done as far as I am concerned

Anonymous said...

Sorry you took offense at my recognition code name for you. At any rate, forget about it as I Am only interested in solid provable information. Rumors and innuendos won't get it done as far as I am concerned
Your ax is all together to sharp to be objective. Your rants on this topic is far to way over the top to be creditable.
Scats, thanks for your help. I won't use your site in the future in this manner as its really not your intent for your site to be a message board.