Wednesday, July 25, 2012

Another Karen Klein Moment Waiting To Happen?

 
Anonymous said...



Scats how this for irresponsible behavior

http://www.greecepost.com/latestnews/x814447599/Greece-Board-of-Education-votes-to-allow-cell-phone-use-in-schools.

"But board member Joseph Quirk said these and more problems would have to be addressed in the future.

"I think its going to bring tech into the classroom," Quirk said. "If there are issues down the road we can always come back and address them, but we're in the 21st century. Gulp and go forward and see what happens."

Now, I don't know about anyone else, but what Quirk said says it all about the disfunctionality of this board and how out of touch they are with reality. This is just another "Karen Klien" moment ready to happen. Apparently making comments that are as idiotic as this one are the norm on this BOE.    7/25/2012 9:13 AM




SCATS ~~ I'm very happy to see I'm not alone in thinking this statement was totally irresponsible!! When I heard it, I thought he may as well say "Go ahead & sue us now, we deserve it." Maybe the 33 page Discipline Code was too much for our BOE to fathom ...?

On another note ... why the heck are so few BOE members attending meetings regularly?? If they do not have the time for this service, then they should step down & step aside for someone who does! A newly elected member should NOT be missing meetings. A couple more senior members have been missing quite a few. Last night, it appears that Sean McCabe, Joe Grinnan & Gale O'Toole couldn't be bothered attending the Greece Board of Education meeting. I think I'm going to start to track their attendance.
  
    

23 comments:

Anonymous said...

Per CODE of CONDUCT :8. Use of electronic devices during regular school hours without permission. These devices must be off and out of sight, or they will be confiscated with the exception of public safety emergencies.
Upon a first offense  the device will be confiscated and returned to the student at the end of the school day. Upon the second or
successive offense, the device will only be returned to the parent.

STill reads to me that cel phones are not allowed unless PERMISSION has been given and even if given is only for that class at that time. Was there something else voted on that just ALLOWS cel use at anytime?

Anonymous said...

You can flush the work of previous boards when against a lot of opposition , They developed a policy that restricted cell phone use in school especially in the class room now this present bunch of morons have dismantaled that policy
Quirks statement came from a guy who has no concept of what. Goes on in the classrooms regarding cell phone. This is a case of a board member trying to sound intelligent on the subject and ended up putting both shoes in his mouth with an idiotic comment like what he said in an effort to look like he had to contribute something to the discussion in a clear attempt to look relevant. Some times, when you open your mouth on a topic you have little or no knowledge ., the best practice is to say nothing or risk looking stupid at your own hands,Someone please bring some grease paint to the next meeting enough for nine imitators so when they play the part they also look the part.

SCATS said...

To 2:12PM ~~ Yes ... here's what the GCSD website describes:

"The district is also proposing changes to the acceptable use guidelines for mobile information devices, which include cell phones, tablet computers and laptops. The proposed changes would allow schools and teachers to designate red, yellow and green zones within the school building. In red zones, devices would be off and away; in yellow zones, devices would be silenced and used only when instructed by the teacher or supervisor; and, in green zones devices would be used to support learning at the discretion of the learner. Devices would be provided by the teacher when necessary.

Based on research from districts with similar policies, Mr. Henley expects the changes, if approved, to decrease discipline referrals, aid students in information gathering, help teach mobile device etiquette and save money by cutting down on printed handouts."

Anonymous said...

Off topic but did you notice the story on the tv that they raided a house off Ridgeway (the toney part between Long Pand and Elmgrove I think) as a part of this big bust on the selling of bath salts and synthetic marijuana. They took out scads of money. Of course it must be a mistake because there is no crime in Greece

SCATS said...

To 6:09PM ~~ I heard them name a street I'm not familiar with. Thanks for pinpointing the location. Greece: No drugs. No crime. No gangs. No problems ... Just lots of bad press ;)

Anonymous said...

Is this just for middle and high school or does this include elementary and primary school students as well? I cannot find where it specifies any specifics. It just says that the schools are allowing students to have cell phones in the classrooms to move forward with technology. Anyone have an answer?

SCATS said...

To 12:11AM ~~ I think you are correct that there are NO specifics. As I said when the Karen Klein fiasco struck, our district's discipline code is non-specific on both ends: infractions and consequences. Everything is open for interpretation. Worse yet, it is up to the employee to decide whether or not something requires disciplinary intervention. That's a large part of makes this "new" policy another bus monitor event waiting to happen. But hey, just "gulp and go forward and see what happens."

Anonymous said...

Unbelievable! I love how they leave these code of conduct options open all the time for "interpretation" and for "discretion by the staff" and "upon reasonable judgment" when I question the judgment of half of the district and can't wait to see where this one goes. Maybe I will go ahead and equip my 3 kids (one 3rd grader and 2 kindergarteners) with cell phones to keep in their pockets just to see what "discretion" and "interpretation" is used! Blahaha! I would gather if they are in their pockets, off and they only use them in an emergency, then they would be allowed to carry them. That is absolutely insane! By the way, before someone jumps down my throat... I am only kidding about sending my little ones to school with cell phones, but I am sure we will see them in elementary schools now.

SCATS said...

To 12:39AM ~~ Or a kid in pre-K carrying a laptop & videocam ;) lol

Anonymous said...

The cel phones are in elementary schools...I work at one and even when they were not allowed nothing was done.

Last year I had my child tell me students were harassing a teacher to the point of crying just so they could record it. I had my child inform the principal and I am not sure why if anything was done. While I know that there almost too my students with the phones to "control" it I do not agree that allowing it is the answer.

I hope that all school read the 1 inch rule about tops...I for one am sick of every year a new "finger width rule per school". I notice that there is nothing addressing words on the butt area of clothes guess that was a loosing battle as well. Pajamama pants and slippers must be ok as well as per the "code" they meet the requirements.

Anonymous said...

GCSD new motto " Gulp and go forward and see what happens" Where your child can "learn to get by the seat of their pants". Where they will "cross that bridge when they get there", where they will decide things " at the eleventh hour" , when all this can happen " in the blink of an eye" . All this can be had at GCSD where " we don't do things now, we do things the when they happen" !

SCATS said...

To 9:22AM ~~ On a more positive note, at least they didn't decide to study it to death, hire several outside consultants, form layer after layer of committees ...

Honestly, I'm really not sure which method is worse!! Would be nice if they found some middle ground.

Anonymous said...

Sure wish I could understand what 8:14 was trying to say...

SCATS said...

To 11:51AM ~~ Just remember, in GCSD, any resemblance to an actual educational institution is merely coincidental.

Anonymous said...

What Quirk really meant by "gulp and move forward " was move backwards and we surrender. Chalk up another win for the inmates of the asylum and their parents. As usual, the administration and BOE abdicated the authority to run BEDLAM, once know as the GCSD, to the kids and their parents. The cover story this time,bring the 21st century to the classroom"

Anonymous said...

MEANINGLESS WORDS ON PAPER IS ALL THIS CODE OF CONDUCT REFLECTS. Just as the previous one was ignored by our less than scholarly students, this one will meet the same fate. Totally ignored and not enforced by those responsible to do so.
I challenge any of you to go to one of the"Institutions of higher learning "otherwise known as MS and HS get a visitors pass and position yourself in a relatively safe place in the hallways during changing of class and take this test.As you stand there, see if you can tell the difference between the female students and the teachers of the same gender with regards to their attire.
You would have a difficult time because not only are in some cases, less than 10yrs and younger, older than the students. The other thing that will add to your confusion that in many cases, the teacher's attire is just a small stretch in compliance with the dress code in it self. My point is that by dressing down to the kids they teach, it would be difficult at best to enforce a code that they embrace themselves as they would not see anything wrong with some of the outfits these students wear to school The only exception would be PJ s and slippers at least for now, but anything is possible in the GCSD. If any group needs a uniform style of dress code it is some of our teachers

Anonymous said...

I think most of the correspondents (and SCATS) would prefer if we limited communication to charcoal on the back of shovels. After all, it was god enough for Abe Lincoln and look how good he turned out!
Let's find ways to use the new technologies and control it for learning! Will rules change? Of course, but it's better than ignoring it and hoping it will go away!

SCATS said...

To 6:52PM ~~ Really? Where is your evidence of that? What I prefer is policy based upon COMMON SENSE. Policy with CONSEQUENCES that has teeth. Policy that EVERYONE CAN BE AWARE OF without memorizing 30+ pages of BOE drivel-ese.

There is NO GOOD REASON for the distraction of cell phones in a classroom, not by students & most certainly not by teachers.

It seems very ironic to me that those who blame GCSD's biggest troubles on the recipients of free & reduced lunches then turn around & create policies expecting "the poor" to obtain, carry & use the latest smartphones in school. Gulp that.

Anonymous said...

Karen, you got $700,000 for 10 min of torture. That's $70,000 a minute..more than Bill Gates earns in the same amount of time. Why don"t you give $100,000 to the fund for medical care for the folks in Colorado? You will still have more than enough to live the rest of your retirement on and you can do REAL good with money that dropped out of the sky for you anyway. Just saying...

Anonymous said...

Scats, love your last comment. You could not be anymore right. Instead of creating a learning environment where learning really takes place, we will create an environment that pretendes to be at the cutting edge of technology. There are actual studies that show that technology in the classroom has at best a marginal rate of success.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/04/technology/technology-in-schools-faces-questions-on-value.html?pagewanted=all

What we need to promote is not necessarily the use of computers and smartphones, students already know how to use those. What we need to promote is human interaction, communication, and common functionality of humans. Technolgy has taken away the ability to interact between individuals. It is no coincidence that the reason we have such a disconnected youth is because they have never learned the basic functions of human interaction. With technology comes great advances but it also come with unintended consequences. Both should be studied greatly to determine the best and balanced approach to any policy.

SCATS said...

To 10:26PM ~~ sadly most of the teachers are so young they can't communicate either. Maybe that helps explain Greece's poor test scores ... hmmm ... ?

Anonymous said...

Look on the bright side. If this teaching thru technology works, the need for teachers would be replaced by a computer that will instruct the students what site to go to for today's lesson. It could turn out to work better than a young teacher 's ability to get kids to learn thru their inadequate teaching abilities and experience. By the way, it's my understanding that the teachers were the ones pushing for this new policy. I rest my case.

Anonymous said...

Then people that are certified to be day care workers could supervise the students? Maybe you are on to something. Or the students could learn from home and the parents could watch their own children or hire nanny. There would be no need for individual school districts since the material could come directly from the federal government. Or the parents would get the chance to choose the program and the kids would be tested to make sure they are learning.