Tuesday, June 05, 2012

Greece Teachers Are 5th Best Paid

   
Business First Analyzed teacher salaries for 67 districts in the 8 county Rochester area.

COMPLETE LIST

1. Livonia (Livingston County)
2. Pittsford (Monroe County)
3. Gates Chili (Monroe County)
4. Webster (Monroe County)
5. Greece (Monroe County)
6. Wheatland-Chili (Monroe County)
7. Fairport (Monroe County)
8. Brighton (Monroe County)
9. Addison (Steuben County)
10. South Seneca (Seneca County)
(Click link above for more)

SCATS ~~ The fact is Greece is fifth highest paid in the county, but LOWEST PERFORMING behind Rochester City Schools. Must be nice to not have to worry about job performance to remain secure.   

77 comments:

Anonymous said...

You refuse to accept the fact that the four top paid teachers do not have to deal with cultural environment that Greece teachers face in our schools today.This fact has a direct correlation with the performance of our teachers in their class rooms in Greece To deny this factor in judging student and teacher performance would be the hight of hippocracy on your part.
We have had a prime example of what I'm talking about right here in Greece in the case GOA. Do the students do better because the teachers there are betterteachers than those at other schools? Now way. It has everything to do with the makeup of the students. The fact that less than 11 percent of them qualify for free lunch as oppossed to 45-50 percent at sister schools tells the reason for their performance. Less distractions. And disciplinary problems is a major factor effecting the learning environment at OA.
The proof of my opinion will come next year when the student body at the new OA becomes more in line with the rest of our schools. Time will tell.

Anonymous said...

PUT ANOTHER WAY GREECE TEACHER ARE THE FIFTH LOWEST PAID

Anonymous said...

Hey scats, what payroll are you on? District office paying you to be their patsy. It sure seems that you are more on the side of administration than anything else. Your true colors are shining through, as the song goes.

SCATS said...

To 4:31PM ~~ God I hope you aren't a Greece teacher!!1 How could they be 5th lowest paid when they are 5th highest paid out of 67 districts including the city?

To 5:16PM ~~ You think I'm getting paid for this?? LMAO!!! I wish!!

I'm only on the side of those who seek a decent education ;)

Anonymous said...

Scats......looks like you have managed to get the union flunky's panties in a twist with this! Love it!

All union contracts base their pay solely on time in the system so it would appear based on this list that Greece has the FIFTH highest level of veteran teachers. We are always told the value of these veteran teachers yet we still are at the bottom of the barrel academically.

3:17PM states our educational outcomes have nothing to do with teacher pay but everything to do with the makeup of students. So, I guess we are being ripped off for millions of dollars we pay in teacher salaries and benefits.

I am sick and tired of all the excuses handed out each time teacher pay is questioned. The liberal educational system has created its own monster by babying kids. Refusing to discipline them. Handing out grades kids don't deserve. Making the passing grade for a Regent exam 55% and worring more about the little kiddie's self esteem rather than teaching them to function in the real world.

The unions have created this mess we call an educational system and now they want to blame everyone else for the problems. Unions need to look in mirror and see the monster they created.

SCATS said...

To 5:55PM ~~ I'm really good at twisting those panties!! ;)

Good post, too. I agree with your comments. Excuses, excuses, excuses ... if they had to actually work productively for a paycheck, or be let go, it would be such an improvement.

Anonymous said...

Teachers at Athena tell me that about 85 percent of the students there come from dysfunctional families whether or not there is one or two parents in the household. If true that is monumental statistic. I have no idea how this figure was
Arrived at but I heard it from more than one teacher and an office emplyee Can you imagine what it must be like to be a teacher trying to deal with this situation
In defense off teachers dealing with this I would have to conclude that to be a teacher in today's society you are either nuts or love kids and love to teach. Iam sure someone will point out that the pay and benefits could play a roll also. With the crap they take from these kids and their parents, I'm sorry but you could never pay me enough. So I personally tip my hat to these devoted people that obviously love the job and it's challenges and have the patience to work in a more and more difficult and demanding profession.

SCATS said...

To 6:18PM ~~ Just because they make that claim does NOT mean it's true! You admit you have no idea where that statistic comes from. I would be willing to bet they pulled it out of their twisted panties. The reason is because they do not have the credentials to be able to diagnose anyone or their family as "dysfunctional." This is just like teachers who tried to convince parents that their kids had ADD. Teachers are NOT trained in either medicine or mental health areas, so it would be best you not repeat this drivel until you see the study they have in writing that makes this bogus claim.

By the way, I wonder how many Greece teachers come from dysfunctional families, or have dysfunctional children of their own ... there's a stat you'll never see ;)

Anonymous said...

5:55 Yo u and Scats are all wet blaming the unions and the teachers for the plight of our broken educational system in this state and country.
It' not the unions who make 55 a passing grade. It's not the teachers union that dictates that failing students be promoted to the next grade level to protect their so called self esteem. The problems are created by the bureaucrats in Albany that dictate this stupid dumbed down educational programs. The Federal no child left behind initiative was not union inspired but idiots in Washington that in effect gives some students a free pass to graduate unprepared As for you referrence to our district 's non retention program known as" social promotion" the teachers and the unions are oppossed to this so called self esteem program as it simply passes the buck to the teacher at the next level who is trying to teach a course these students are totally not prepared for.
Look, there is plenty of blame to go around on educational issues. It's time to stop the finger pointing and come together as a country a community to bring about meaningful change to our broken system while there is still time.

SCATS said...

To 7:12PM ~~ I'm not "all wet" when Athena teachers who claim that 85% of a student body comes from a dysfunctional home at the same time that those very same teachers are awarding grades that put most of that 85% group onto the "Honor Roll" list. No one but teachers are responsible for that ;)

Anonymous said...

I wonder how the districts academics are going to rank now that the class sizes are increasing dramatically.

Anonymous said...

Scats, move to wisconsin!

Anonymous said...

Your anti teacher pantyhose are working overtime on this topic. You know Scats everyone who reads your site is aware of you anti teacher sentiments. to you credit though you make no attempt to hide it and makes readers of this site aware of your take on teachers in general when considering the proper weight to give your comments.

Anonymous said...

Did you go to Greece Schools SCATS? According to the information on the list, I would say that Greece is the 4th highest paid in the county. You like to catch others on their errors so I figured that I would return the favor :).

SCATS said...

To 8:17PM ~~ I'll pass, but feel free to go yourself ;)

To 8:48PM ~~ There are a few really great teachers in Greece. Way too few.

To 9:47PM ~~ 4th highest in the county, but 5th highest for the 67 schools in the 8 county area considered in the analysis.

Anonymous said...

I am not AntiTeacher, I am totally Anti-Pretender purporting to be a teacher while acting in concert with a Union.

GTA operates from the NEA playbook of excuss, and GTA members should get a taste of Wisconsin where the public has become totally fed up with incompetent fakes!

I've talked with way too many graduates of Public Schools, including GCSD, and frankly the majority are unprepared to be entering 7th grade. Union teachers have done a wonderful job of hiding the salami, and producing stupid graduates who feel good about their lack of knowledge or skills.

NY Public Employees should thank whatever deity they worship 5 times a day in thanks NY Laws prevent Public Employees from getting paid according to their accomplishments.

GCSD teachers should be ashamed of their "work".

Anonymous said...

Again, When the GTA begins negotiating their next contract, I want to hear something about the "environment" their teaching in. In here, it sounds as though those issues matter to our teachers, yet come contract time it's $$$. If education is truly the goal for our GTA members, why don't they figure out what they want from district office to support that, whether it be new disciplinary/ removal measures for students, dress code (uniforms), supplies. These are not what the GTA asks for though. It's $$$.

Anonymous said...

12:03AM hit the nail on the head. Taxpayers are not teacher bashers. UNIONS are the problem. This is the rhetoric the union always uses to scare people into leaving them alone. The Teacher UNIONS created the educational mess we find ourselves in. And by the way......the No Child Left Behind act did not institute the 55% passing for Regent exams. This was instituted at least a decade before NCLB and was heavily promoted by the unions. It is just one of many ways the teacher's union uses to make the educational outcome data appear much better than it really is.

12:03AM is correct in saying the GCSD GTA should be ashamed of the product they produce.

Anonymous said...

I don't believe you have the proper credentials to judge the credentials of the quality or back ground of our teachersScats. Sure, I will bet some of our teachers came from dysfunuctional families but that fact gives them more credibility than you to recognize a child that is the product of such a social environment. And because they may have themselves come from the same conditions and still were able to succeed makes them well qualified to recognize and try to help children caught up in the same problems that they were over able to overcome
So unless you have a degree in sociology I wouldn't be to quick to render a diagnosis of the behavior and qualifications of anyone.

Charlie Hubbard said...

This is public education where 'cost' and 'quality' never go together.
In order to be an administrator, a school board member, or a union rep you must first have an advanced degree in 'excuss making'.

Do/nothing, give/away, worthless contracts have all been approved by school boards. Administrators and union reps produce this garbage but it is school boards who eat the garbage and force taxpayers to cough up the money to pay for the garbage.

Read the Greece contract and if you can find one lick of accountability or improvement expectation please call me (775-6015) as I must have missed it.

Lets not forget the Comptrollers audit of 2008 that speaks to identifying the 'benefit to the district' of a contract prior to approval by the board - has not happened yet.

Lets not forget policy 6431 that speaks to laying out the cost of each part of a contract for the public prior to board approval - has not happened yet. Taxpayers continue to be screwed AND kept in the dark - by who? - yep your elected officials.

Bottom line, the public education monopoly will never improve until you clean up the garbage (contracts) and get rid of tenure.

chubbard005@rochester.rr.com

Anonymous said...

To all you union folk......Wisconsin Gov Scott Walker survived his recall! This is a vote for all taxpayers who are sick and tired of union control and overly generous pay and benefits. Thanks Gov Walker for standing up the regular taxpaying people of America!

SCATS said...

12:03AM, 5:19AM & 7:05AM ~~ are ALL correct in what they are saying. I've yet to hear a teacher or their union leader or any union rep ever address the BOE about the terrible dysfunctional families they are subjected to teaching. I've yet to see them come to ask for more psychologists to deal with the problems. I have however seen them turn out carrying signs DEMANDING a new contract with higher pay, better benefits. If teachers in Greece cared about educating Greece kids, they would be asking for textbooks, lab equipment, etc. It doesn't happen.

I wonder how many districts besides Greece graduate AP Chemistry students who have never ever learned to use a Bunsen burner? These kids are NOT prepared for college, Greece administration realizes it and will not do any follow-up of GCSD graduates to find out how many of them actually completed even 2 yrs. of college successfully. The number is pitifully low ;)

To 7:23AM ~~ You have no idea what my credentials are. I could be a psychologist, counselor, psychiatrist, sociologist or some other mental health "expert" for all you know ;)

Just because someone comes from a dysfunctional family neither equips them to identify others with similar issues nor helps them to aide others in similar situations unless they themselves have had proper therapy. I've yet to see Greece teachers announcing they've done the couch time, so ... Like they say, Denial ain't a river in Egypt ;)

Charlie ~~ Of course, you are 100% correct again!

Anonymous said...

Allow me to chip in my two cents on teacher, union bashing and GTA contracts.
When I was on the board, we could have had a contract with GTA. In 07' if not for ACHROMOVITCH .Although we kept asking him to keep us informed of
Any progress he told us nothing. We would later learn that a tentative agreement was in the works complete with cost figures that Charlie is talking about. The union was asking for a one percent across the board increase. In return , the union agreed to modification in the area of health care. The figures showed that the compensation aspect of the agreement was pretty much a wash as far as increased costs were concerned.He Steve never brought this proposal to the board at that time for what ever reason inspite of our direction to do so. As it turns out, he apparently changed the game plan by demanding that GTA give up the built in 23 step progression raises. This was not acceptable to the rank and file and the beat goes on. I have no Idea what the current state of negotiations are but when I met with our new Superintendant , that subject was brought up by her. She said she needed to get the union to agree to give up the 23 step automatic, in some instance, a 4 percent yearly increase. I agreed with her that this aspect of the contract was a budget buster every year.
I also told her to forget about that happening. Instead. I told her that best she could try to do is to getGTA to agree to a one year contract extension that included a MOA of a one year across the board pay freeze. She seemed receptive to that Idea but as I said earlier, I have knowledge of the current situation.
Look, obvious previous administrations and boards saddled us with this problem. Walts literally gave away the store by way of compensation so he could get language in the contract that he could use to his advantage when dealing with teacher.
As I have said before, until Albany amends portions of the Taylor law it pretty much stalemate with the Union holding the high cards.

Anonymous said...

Scats that last post was mine about the GT A contract
Joe Moscato

Anonymous said...

Dr Scats, did you ever work at Kodak? If so did you know Charlie? The reason I ask is that two of you both have that subservient anti union Yellow Box mentality.WHAT A TEAM!!!

SCATS said...

To 1:35PM ~~ I never worked at Kodak, but I have worked for a company where a certain group of employees pushed to unionize certain operations. Thank God it never happened or I would have left :)

Anonymous said...

I have the perfect solution for those of you anti union types making fools of them selves. Write you State reps in Albany and demand that they do what Walker did in Wisconsin. Abolish public employee unions. If successful public employees would be covered by national right to strke laws.
I would be interested in how you people would handle a strike by public employees and the effect it would have on your daily lives because that would be areal possibility if that happened. You working parents would loose you taxpayer supported day care service that calls it self the Greece Central School District for one thing.
Maybe that should happen as a may result in a better appreciation of public service employees that we take for granted and stop just short of calling them crooks and thieves for stealing your tax bucks.

SCATS said...

To 3:05PM ~~ Why should we bow down to public service employees more than other workers? They get their paychecks, benefits, etc. After that, I don't feel like I "owe' them anything more. Obviously, you feel entitled to some sort of special treatment. WHY??

Anonymous said...

We would feel the heat in the city if there was a strike by the garbage haulers. Could that happen?

Anonymous said...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/billfrezza/2012/06/05/governor-walkers-victory-spells-doom-for-public-sector-unions/

Anonymous said...

Scats, only work for one company? What does that say about your qualifications as a productive member of society? Or do you just keep bitching about everything and do nothing about it. I dont see you doing anything other than running a blog and you are as anonomous as the rest of us.

Anonymous said...

No. No special treatment. Maybe a little more respect for what we do and importance of the jobs we do by yourself and some poor souls who post on this site. Why begrudge us a right to receive our pay checks and benefits.? Why shouldn't be entitled to live a life style equivalent to none union workers in the private sector. Oh, I get it it's all about your taxes providing us with those same opportunities you enjoyed at that non union company that you worked for.
It's a fact of life in this country that taxes are used to support the kind of public services that we provide to you and your families. without us, to do these necessary services, the infrastructure of communities would come to a screeching halt and collapse into utter caous. We want no special privileges and and want no one like you and others toBOW DOWN to us just get off our backs and let us do our necessary jobs and provide you with the services that as tax payers we ALL MUST PAY.FOR.

Anonymous said...

@5:06pm

Garbage collection in Greece is a private enterprise. They can strike anytime they want.
They choose not to because consumers have a choice and will simply switch collection companies.
Too bad we don't have that same realistic option with education.

SCATS said...

To 6:03PM ~~ I've worked for a number of places, FYI ;)

What does the number of places a person works for have to do with a person's "qualifications as a productive member of society?" Are you saying that someone who takes an entry level position & works their way up isn't a productive member of society? Geesh.

To 6:41PM ~~ I'm sorry you feel entitled but I do not see public employee jobs as being any more important than other jobs in the private sector. What do you do to show more respect for those who work at Wegmans, Kodak, Xerox, etc?

I sincerely hope you are NOT a teacher! Your inability to write intelligently is downright scary!

For the record, it's "chaos."

SCATS said...

To 5:36PM ~~ I couldn't get that link to work. I heard on the news tonight that in California, the people are voting to reduce pensions for public employees to keep their cities out of bankruptcy. Seems like sentiment that it's "enough already" is growing far beyond what happened in Wisconsin.

Anonymous said...

Lets not think or unions, teacher salaries, or taxes for just one moment. I know that is hard but for a moment we should think about kids. This superintendent has come in shut down buildings and laid off dozens of teachers. Yes... some of the consolidations and lay offs may have been necessary but she has done to much to quickly. The class sizes starting in Kindergarten next year will most likely be at 25+. I am pretty sure it is against the law to run a daycare with a 1:25 ratio but we are going to expect teachers to meet all 25 students individual needs. This is crazy. There is about 5 hours instructional time (if you don't allow the kids to have recess). This is because the children must eat lunch and they attend special area classes. So they are instructed for approximately 300 minutes. If you want to break that down into individual time to talk to, work with an individual child- they each get approximately 12 minutes a day. Sounds like a good plan to me. We should lay off some more teachers and add more kids to each class. It may save a few dollars a year in taxes, or it may stick it to those over-paid teachers. What is important here???

SCATS said...

To 10PM ~~ What's important here is ensuring that sports, music & other extra-curriculars remain intact. (tongue deep in cheek)

Anonymous said...

Well SORRY Union Teacher Impersonators, BUT I happen to be one of the old farts with a good memory.

I well recall my teachers telling me Unions exist to provide UNSKILLED workers a method to negotiate against the employer.

I also remember the early years of the Rochester Teacher's Union in the 60s, and it was the Union that insisted all discipline responsibility be removed from teachers so teachers could better relate to students. Here's a hint, you roped it, you ride it. Guit yer bychin about undisciplined kids. It's called the Law of Unintended Consequences, DEAL WITH IT!

More than 25 kids in a class, aw gee. Back in the 60s 30 was normal, and 35 wasn't unusual, and there were NO teaching assistants. Every time you haul out the class size crapola you admit Teachers who didn't belong to Unions were superior to Union Teachers in skill and ability.

Lest eliminate all the Teacher assistants and aids, put 30 kids in the classroom, and those Union Teachers who can't get the job done get the hell out of the way. There is a huge pile of aplications from people who have already paid for a Teaching Certificate, so we can hire them in and save a boatload of tax dollars paying for Masters and EdD fake Degrees.

Fact is the Teaching Certificate is another SCAM run by NY Teacher Unions.

I'm in favor of immediate termination for any so called teacher who can't diagram the sentence See Spot Run. I'f talked to a sufficient number of impersonators who told me "They don't teach us that in College" to know we have a majority of barely literate Teacher Impersonators on the payroll.

Don't worry Union Impersonators, I'm sure there will be a long line of employers waiting to pay you what you and your advanced Degree are worth.

Anonymous said...

Old fart.I'm one myself so I have that long memory syndrome too. Yep, your right. Our class sizes were in the 30-35 range but times and our generation of kids were different .Hell, I don't know about you but I had no idea what drugs,other then medicines were all about because they weren't around much then. Maybe some" WEED" but nothing like today. Television had just been introduced and we had one channel that was only on for few hours in the evening. The commercials were tame by comparison. The worst I guess you could say were beer and cigarette commercials Sex was a mystery subject that was solved on an individule basis not shoved down are throats like today Most importantly though was that we were taught respect. Respect for the law, respect for our teachers and most of all our parents and adults. In today's culture the operative word is RESPECT. not only can't some of today's kids spell, it they have no idea what it is and how to show it as in most cases they have no respect for themselves.
Yeah, times were much different then. We were different our culture was different as was our parenting. So for you to say smaller class sizes today are not necessary you not using the advantage you and possess and that is the ability to objective.
Kids today much different than today's generation.Teaching in today's environment is more challenging then in our time. Our teachers could always count on our parents to support them. Not so today my friend. For these reasons I must disagree with your thinking .Smaller class size does matter in today's world of public education.
Don't you sometimes look back long for those good old days when growing up was much simpler than today. I do,a lot .

Anonymous said...

To 12:58 ~~ I want to be like you when I grow up. Love it! I also remember larger class sizes, and we performed. There would be hell to pay if we didn't (from the teachers then our parents when we got home). Teachers handled discipline quickly and efficiently. I've gotten more papers back with more red on it than my own writing and had to write it over again. When you expect less from students, that's what you're going to get. When I went to school, teachers were teachers, not your friends. They weren't there to "relate to you", they were there to "teach" you.

SCATS said...

To 6:14AM ~~ I looked back in the SCATS archives for where a teacher spoke out about how large class sizes weren't really the issue many of you want us to believe it is. I couldn't find it, but I did find RCSD Supt. Brizard's quote from March of 2009: "There are classrooms in our district with 8 students and 2 teachers, we have classrooms in our high schools of ten to a teacher. We've had the best class size ratio in New York State yet we've had the lowest graduation rate in New York so do the math."

I'm also aware that not so long ago our then BOE Prez. was said to have quipped that throwing an extra $500 million at the budget in Greece Central wouldn't fix the problems in this district.

We've blamed administration. We've blamed parents. We've blamed students. We've blamed everyone except the folks that are paid to impart knowledge in the noggins of our lil darlings for 5-6 hours/day ~ the teachers.

Anonymous said...

In my opinion Scats , you have done enough blaming of teachers by ourself since you took over this blog site. I could fill volumes containing your never ending ranting against the teaching profession in our district. It's so poisoness sometimes that blind man could easily recognize your obvious personal vendetta against teachers by your comments.
By the way, I believe we have some smaller class sizes like the city in special education where it requires 2 teachers to handle 8 or 10 kids. I think Bizzard was expressing his frustration over trying to teach unteachable kids regardless of class size. We have our share of them in Greece as well.
You went through the whole littany of those responsible for our failing schools. What this district really needs is new people in administrative positions now being held by the losers left over from the Walts era. Especially in the area of curiculum and instruction. Our Superintendant knows this and so do they. Why do you think they are looking for super jobs? Replacements could be on the horizon . It's unfair to blame the teachers for the incompetence of supervision how will not let them design a teaching strategy designed for the children she to teach. Not all children are capable of learning at the same level as others. therefore teachers must be given the authority to design lessons that will benefit her particular group of students. This is not allowed I'm told and a one size fits all method is used. This does not work nor will it ever.

SCATS said...

To 11:10AM ~~ I want to point out two KEY statements used in your rant. First you stated: "I could fill volumes containing your never ending ranting against the teaching profession in our district." BINGO!! My issue is with GREECE TEACHERS. I have "no personal vendetta against" all teachers.

Second, you stated in your second to last sentence that most of what you wrote was based upon hearsay: "I'm told." So you are merely guessing about the conditions you rant and rail agaist.

Anonymous said...

Not so. I can back up everything I said. Facts are facts and not even your twisted logic can change them. I was right though only Greece teachers are in your cross hairs. I and Iam sure others are no Doubt wondering why that is. Sounds personal to me for reasons only known to you and probably best left that way. 11:10

SCATS said...

To 2:11PM ~~ If you knew you were speaking about facts, you wouldn't need to CYA by saying "I'm told." You've already let us know you have NO first-hand knowledge of the claims you've made ;)

Anonymous said...

7:17 notice I said "city". We do not live in the city but would definitely be affected if they did strike. Every now and then we travel across the boundaries of Greece. Just making the point that we would be affected if public employees could strike here or in the city or the state. They don't strike because of the labor laws. If they did strike they would not get paid. Or they could be replaced by new air traffic controllers.

Anonymous said...

Here's a MAJOR revelation People.
Since around 1960 the number of jobs in America and around the world has shrunk, while the number of people who should be working has increased.

Here's a second shocker, there is a boatload of matriculated meatloaves out there with Teaching Credentials looking for a Teaching JOB. They want that work 3 years REPEAT for 17 years retired on active duty 180 day a year job, and they'll take it for lower wages & benefits faster than you can say What Happened.

If GCSD or any other NY School District could shed the tenure model and Union, the District could easily replace the current crop of pretenders and excuse makers in under 10 days.

That is how it works in Charter Schools, teachers sign a contract, and perform to the contract or they get replaced. Guess what, the system works well.

Union Pretenders, drop to your knees and pray you can continue to prey on the taxpayers. Wisconsin may well have just been the beginning!

Pretenders shouldn't last more than a month, and the kids they contaminate shouldn't be crippled for life because Ms Hotpants couldn't teach a duck to swim on her best day.

I did my best to use small words and type slowly so Union Pretend Teachers could read this.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous: If you look at the average pay for a person with a 6 year degree, teachers are under paid. As a teacher, I would love to move schooling to the private sector and have it run as a business. In that way, we would not have to put up with the nonsense that comes from people with a little bit of knowledge. Go into any classroom if you really want to see the daily challenges. We have nothing to hide nor excuses to make. We live in the real world. How about you try it sometimes?

SCATS said...

To 11:31AM ~~ There's a few things you've forgotten to factor into your thinking. The "average" person with a 6 yr. degree paid for their own education out-of-pocket ;) That person likely took courses that were much more demanding/rigorous than the liberal arts (Did you have to take/pass Calculus IV? Probably not, but many engineers do.) you were submerged in.

Teachers get paid for 185 days/yr. and 6+/- hrs./day, or about 1110 hrs./year. An engineer or MBA or CPA ( a recent grad) works 250 days/yr. and 8 hrs/day (or more) which comes to 2040 hrs./year based upon having a 2 week vacation early in their career. I think teachers get well-compensated for what they do if you look at it that way.

Anonymous said...

11:31 sweetums;
"Go into any classroom if you really want to see the daily challenges. We have nothing to hide nor excuses to make. We live in the real world. How about you try it sometimes?"

You and your brother and sister Pretend Teachers are completely devoid of knowledge of "real world" work environments it's unreal.

Over the last 30 years I've spent a lot of time in the entertainment centers you call schools as a contractor, and what you purport to be education is pathetic. I've even looked into the locked cabinet of kiddie downers you advocate to zonk the little darlings out, and did sufficient basic math to figure out about 1/3 of the kids are stoned daily with the help of the School Nurse.

Comparing your 6 year degree to a genuine Masters completely ignores that Schools of Education intake the lowest scoring students in p preadmission testing, and impart the smallest amount of education to them before shipping them out to fake teaching someplace if they can find a job.

Your Union admitted in the 70s that Union "teachers" would begin to care about educating kids when kids paid Union Dues.

Uncountable kids have been socially promoted and way too many have Graduated unable to read the Diploma they were given. GCSD became famous printing disclaimers of knowledge content on Diplomas years ago, and only stopped when ordered to stop by a Court.

You probably don't have a clue because you're too young to remember when a NY Diploma and Tuition was sufficient to gain admission to any College in the US without any SAT test score.

The system stinks, and your work stinks. Worst is that you defend the quality you produce and make excuses for pathetic results.

If you lack the power to fix it, at least admit the system is broken and in need of repair.

Anonymous said...

About the 6 year degree - Of course a teacher has to take the requirements of the college. Does a doctor take calculus? Dooes an engineer take Anatomy? That is a ridiculous claim. What Master Degree professionals take work home on a dialy basis? What Master Degree professional has to send in sub plans when he/she wakes up with the flu? What Master Degree professional is accountable for EVERY MINUTE of their day? Teachers get a 30 minutes non reimbursed lunch. Can a person in the business world say the same thing? Yes, a teacher is acct. to work only 10 months a year, but how about we average the number of hours a week and see how that compares to other jobs. If you think teaching is so simple, contact any school and come in for a day. Teachers have nothing to hide. It is much easier to cast blame on a system you don't truly understand. The best part is that you will not find a BLOG about the school system in Pittsford or Fairport where the parents are educated professionals. I wonder what the average education is for adults in Greece? How many are unemployed and work the system? I have at least 25% of those parents represented in my classroom. Again, come in anytime you want and live a full day, not the small glimpses you think you see. Anybody in education would love for their to be unlimited support for our students such as counselors, reading teachers etc. but this community is too short sighted to see the benefits nor are they willing to pay. What many of the members of this comm. don't understand is that teaching is not about money. If we were motivated by money, we wouldn't be teaching. FYI - I will be home all weekend completing report cards. I wonder how many other Master Degree professionals will be sitting home?

SCATS said...

To 10:34AM ~~ It's about the RIGOR of the requirements ... of course, you knew that, but ignored it.

I know plenty of folks with advanced degrees who work VERY LONG HOURS for NO ADDED COMPENSATION. Example: My CPA often works 6 day weeks. From Jan - tax season, he works many nights too! I know an engineer who frequently logs 70+ hour work weeks. Because he's on salary, he gets nothing extra! That IS the real-world, not the world of the poor, misunderstood public servant who feels entitled to extra perks as well as extra "sympathy."

Regarding:" Teachers have nothing to hide." Every time I read that, I bust out laughing!! Why? Because if there was "nothing to hide" recording devices would be welcomed into the classrooms as a means to help students (an adjunct to note-taking), instead of banned as contraband because teachers fear anyone overhearing what REALLY goes on in those classrooms ;)

By the way, if the world is so rosy in Pittsford, why not go there to teach? Greece has no shortage of applicants from what I've heard.

Charlie Hubbard said...

to 10:34 (anonymous)
Is the art teacher or school guildence councilor putting in these extra hours you speak of? - they are on the same pay scale - correct?

When making financial comparisons are we using 'total compensation'?

There is no profession in the real world where raises are virtually guaranteed reguardless of performance and yes you don't even have to come to work - read the contract.
There is no job in the real world that virtually guarantees a job for life (thanks to tenure) reguardless of performance or attendance - again read the contract.

If there are problems in our schools - fix em. You belong to the most powerfull union in the world with more politicians in their pocket than anyone. Unlike Wisconsin we believe here in N.Y. the only solution is to throw more $$ at it and hope the problem will go away. Funny thats the same solution the union has.

I'll say it again - read the contracts - the problem is right there.

Anonymous said...

Oh dear pretend professional with TENURE, you are completely clueless.

Find a Master's Prepared Nurse, she'll be more than happy to show you what a PROFESSIONAL does. Nurses don't need Union, they are PROFESSIONALS! Unions are for UNSKILLED & UNEDUCATED people.

About bringing work home, you only have to do that if you're completely incompetent.

How do I know, back in my younger days I spent considerable time servicing Union "Teachers". Frankly you clowns should give up the long hours story, too many skidmarks in school parking lots show how quick you haul out after the bell rings.

Guess what else teach, recorders have become very small. I have a magnificent collection of recordings of a Union "teacher" or 6. NY is a single party consent state when it comes to recording.

Back in ancient times school principals were able to supervise and evaluate teaching via the school PA. Union "teachers" didn't like that, so they got it prohibited, and classified as wiretapping. Union immitation teaching sucks!

Anonymous said...

ah-ah scats you r conttraditing yourself again. you admonished a blogger recently for sayiing I was told" No you say no shortage of applicants " so I have heard". So you pointed to the other poster you don't. Have any facts to back up that statement do you?

SCATS said...

To 3:06PM ~~ I was prepared for you lol ... yes, I did hear. By listening to BOE meetings ;)

Anonymous said...

If there were an abundance of jobs in Pittsford, I think many Greece teachers would be happy to head east.

SCATS said...

To 11:10AM ~~ By putting it that way, you make it sound like Greece has gone out of their way to hire more teachers than we need ;)

Anonymous said...

Well SCATS, GCSD does maintain a track record of hiring pretend teachers who are without qualification to teach the class they supposedly teach.

Based on situations I've seen at WEMOCO there does seem to be a complete lack of teaching the basic math skill of fractions. Even when "Remedial Specialists" are brought in to teach Juniors and Seniors fractions during shop time the ability to teach a kid to read a ruler seems near unachievable.

Could it be a situation of Union Members carrying credentials they are not entitled to or able to support?

SCATS said...

To 1:15AM ~~ That notion has crossed my mind more than a few times. I wonder if some of these recent grads who became teachers can pass the Regents Exam they are supposed to be prepping their students to take.

Anonymous said...

The accountant works long hours starting in Jan. for the tax season. If I remember correctly, tax season ends in April. 4 months right? Hmmm..

Anonymous said...

Greece residents should be happy about the union. It seems Babs has GTA in her back pocket. Not sure about the relationship between her and Palozzi. Very interesting. Anybody know anything?

SCATS said...

To 8:49AM ~~ You think a CPA only works 4 months/year? LOL!! I'm not sure if you are really that naive!

He oversees audits, goes to court, files quarterly returns for those who must pay taxes as the year unfolds, learn about the constant changes Congress makes to the tax code every year ... and I'm sure there are many other duties I've no idea about. Plus, he also has many small businesses he handles tax issues for.

Anonymous said...

But there are extra staff hired for the tax season that most of us need them for. So those people are in many cases unemployed for the other 8 months. So why are we talking about accountants anyway?

SCATS said...

To 9:47AM ~~ Any "extras" hired are NOT CPAs! They are temp agency/clerical types who open/stuff envelopes, copy, collate, FAX, etc. If you can't recall how the discussion began, feel free to reread the thread from the top :)

Anonymous said...

Teachers take kiddy gym and kiddy lit and call it a Master's program.

Give me a break!

Anonymous said...

Greece is the last place an experienced good teacher would want to work for, Right out of school,new graduates are told to apply in Greece only as a last resort. For years Greece had the reputation as being the"Evil Empire" within the local teaching community. It still does today. The reasons are many and obvious for those of us that have the advantage being able to be objective
One big reason is the existence of this site and the anti
teacher sentiment that appears wide spread through out the entire community Too bad.

Anonymous said...

Charlie(it's in the contract) Hubbard neglects to point out a section in the GTA contract that has for the past several years been largely ignored by the administration and has had negative effect on our students learning ability.
It's the section called "Shared Decision making" The spirit and intent of the language contained Therin, was intended to include teacher in put into curiculum and teaching strategies in the development process. And for the past several years, the administration has failed to apply this tactic and continue to " lock out" teacher input. As a result,a section in the contract designed to enhance student learning thru shared input on decision making in critical areas of the education of our students has not been applied with predictable results. To paraphrase Mr Charlie( it's in the contract, read it)

SCATS said...

To 6:55PM ~~ I guess we've all been hoodwinked previously when we were told that Greece has wonderful, well-trained teachers who are the epitome of professionalism!! You've just explained, in a roundabout way, why Greece's test scores, grad rates, etc. are in the gutter: It's because we attract teachers who care more about a BLOG than doing their job.

HEADS UP GREECE RESIDENTS!! It is NOT the students' or parents' faults that Greece kids do NOT succeed in school! It's the TEACHERS' FAULTS ... 6:55PM just explained why ;)

SCATS said...

To 7:23PM ~~ Shared decision-making was imposed by NYSED and it is supposed to ensure that PARENTS GET AN EQUAL SAY as well.

Anonymous said...

6:55 has it totally correct. Student teachers are even warned in colleges not to go to Greece. People in masters programs hear the same thing: "Why would you want to work in Greece? That district is so dysfunctional." Truth and accountability in schools applies to the district leaders, too, correct?

SCATS said...

To 10:42PM ~~ I agree that Greece Central is as dysfunctional as it gets. However, I've yet to hear we've had any trouble recruiting teachers. Show me.

Anonymous said...

You are wrong again,This district can't even recruit subs
Our sub list is the worst in the west. The only subs they can get are retired teachers who retired from Greece.Why?they know how to work the system that takes place in Greece.I was told recently by a friend of mine who retired last year from Hilton. She signed on as a sub in Greece, filled in for two days and promptly quit She said they couldn't pay her enough to work in thatZOO ever again.

SCATS said...

To 1:55PM ~~ Sorry, but there must be some other trouble in Greece. I know teachers from other districts who have applied to work in GCSD both as regular classroom teachers and as subs. So far, no one from DO has shown any interest at all. Seems to me that means we're set.

Anonymous said...

If what you says true that experienced teachers fro m other. district districts have applied for teaching positions in Greece, it's a good bet their in hot water and are looking for a way out. I guess working for Greece is better than no job at all.Then again-----------------?

SCATS said...

To 4:44PM ~~ No, not in hot water at all. One has been told he is "too old" to teach in Greece though.

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