Tuesday, April 17, 2012

HIGH ANXIETY ...


Greece Students Worry
Teachers Will Be Fired Over ELA Scores
 
Three days of NY State standardized tests for English Language Arts began today. In Greece, some parents are reporting their kids were extremely nervous & worried over the tests. Others say their kids have experienced stomach aches and other physical reactions when they were reminded the tests were this week. When asked why this was so, the youngsters told their parents they didn't want their teacher to get fired if they did poorly on the exam!

SCATS ~~ I wonder WHERE the kids got this idea from? Way to go Greece teachers!!
  

22 comments:

Anonymous said...

They should be more worried about having to repeat a class if they really haven't learned the material.

Anonymous said...

Yeah...let's lie to them instead and tell them they will have to stay in the same grade without their friends. I bet that would motivate them more than caring about their teacher...(read with lots of sarcasm)

SCATS said...

To 5:12PM ~~ Telling them their teacher will get fired IS A LIE.

Anonymous said...

Typical union tactics. I guess parents should dig out the story the D&C did a few weeks back regarding teacher tenure and the 3020a process and how long and expensive it is to get teachers fired. Which by the way is extremely RARE!

Any teacher or administrator that even hints that an employee might get fired if the kid fails state tests should be hung out to dry.. What the hell is wrong with the adults who work in our educational system?????? Oh, wait, I forgot.....it all about them. Forget the kids. Shameful, shameful union tactics.

Anonymous said...

For this year, yes, it is a "lie"...next year, if all goes according to plan, it won't be...

SCATS said...

To 6:01PM ~~ I agree 100%!!

To 6:06PM ~~ It will still be a lie. Even if it wasn't, it is NOT the childrens' fault if the teacher fails to do her job. It's the TEACHER'S FAULT.

Leave the union cronyism at home when you depart for school. It's the PROFESSIONAL way to behave.

Anonymous said...

I do not agree that teachers have told students this. IF a parent has knowledge that this IN FACT happened they should have contacted the superintendent. And if said parents have not done that I fail to see the validity in such a claim. I am not saying it could not happen but rather I doubt that this is occurring. What is more probable is kids have over heard misinformed parents discussing the evaluation plans and what think believe to be true. It is more likely that with CONSTANT pre testing that has occurred for the last 4 weeks and ELA and math drill kids are anxious because the entire day has revolved around the testing, this is not the teachers fault but rather the NYS system that believes standardized tests are good bench marks for ALL students.
It is also more likely that with a week off BEFORE testing kids are out of the routine and as normal have to transition back to school.

I am not a teacher but a parent and a volunteer and do not believe that MOST teachers are only in it for themselves. I believe that many parents don give a damn about education and that many children come from homes with no morals, discipline or boundaries. For all that place blame on the teachers and the union I would like to see how the system hold parents accountable for what they do not do out of school!

( and there may be typos and mis spells so forgive me )

Anonymous said...

At which school(s) is this happening? At the schools my kids have attended, there was really not a lot of emphasis on testing performance. Just the typical get a good might's sleep, have breakfast, and bring some number 2 pencils. I've never heard any concern about kids' test scores at all, whether it relates to teachers' jobs or student promotion. When it comes down to it, the scores really only affect funding.

SCATS said...

To 7:06PM ~~ Exactly who are you "disagreeing" with? Parents? Students? Both? At least one parent reports their child says it was put on the morning announcements. Of course parents are NOT in school, so it is the pupils who are relating this message at home. I'm pretty damned sure there is NO WAY a 3rd, 4th, 5th grade student comes up with this kind of info on their own ;) But nice try. As for accountability of parents, if the schools and unions would agree to give up on social promotion, there would be a price paid for the few parents who do not provide proper guidance at home. To blame the parent masses is to shun reality of what the unions are doing.

SCATS said...

To 7:30PM ~~ When one parent posted about it on Facebook, quite a number of others posted their own tales about dealing with more than the usual test-taking jitters in recent days.

Anonymous said...

I am a great parent. I am here for my children and I don't pressure them when it comes to school. They all do well. Kindergarten and 3rd. But when my daughter woke up yesterday and said she had a nightmare about the tests I asked why? I have not even discussed the tests with her. I didn't even know she was anxious about it. Not one mention about it over the break. Then back to school Monday. She was informed by the school to do well. She told me her nightmare was that she failed the test and that her teacher was fired. She also said that is why her first grade teacher is no longer teaching. Who gave her that idea??? Not ME! She heard it at school over the announcements. I posted a note on facebook to see if other kids at the same school had any reaction.........guess what. They did. Some had upset stomachs. Others had breakdowns because they were afraid they were not going to get enough sleep. These children are 3-5 graders. Nice job!

Anonymous said...

6:55 am are you telling us that the announcement stated that teachers will be fired if kids do not do well? I am sorry but I just do not believe that. And as fro a 1st grade teacher assuming tenured, they were not fired for poor test results.
I hope that since your child believes this you did in fact explain to her that the test are a unit of measure of progress for the students and the District and that no one is losing a job over the results. If you did that then perhaps you are a great parent for giving you child the correct information to quell any anxiety :)

Anonymous said...

Again I'll ask: In which school is this happening, as the previous posting seems to suggest these reports are coming from the same school? I would have no problem calling over there to speak to the principal as well as notifying district administrators this is happening.

Anonymous said...

When my kids went to Greece schools, similar things happened. Politics and union business in the school building should be cause for immediate termination, no excuses accepted.

Anonymous said...

She thought her 1st grade teacher was fired for bad test scores. In fact she left b.c she was not doing a good job. And she knows that now since she is older and easier yo explain. Not saying admin said teachers were going to be fired on the announcements. But they were told how important the tests were and whether she overheard her teachers talking about it or they said it. Who knows where she grabbed ytr thought that her teacher would be fired for poor test results. She also said they would get the results at the end of the year. It was all at the same school. But different grade kids and different classrooms were the bone's that commented on fscebook. So my daughter is not making it up. She is not an anxious kid. I forgot about the tests and was not concerned about them. No need to stress out the Kira's agree?

Anonymous said...

A greece 3-5 school

SCATS said...

While I know which school it is, it's not important in the bigger picture. In the bigger picture there IS NO EXCUSE FOR ANY GREECE CENTRAL TEACHER, PRINCIPAL OR OTHER EMPLOYEE TO BE TALKING ABOUT THIS CRAPPLE AROUND KIDS, PERIOD!

Anonymous said...

And now we have another confirming incident demonstrating why school "security" is so dedicated to keeping parents and other non union members the hell out of schools.

When a kid tells a parent what happened in school the Union claims little Waldo didn't understand. Well why the hell were statements proffered that were beyond Waldo's ability to understand?

Just a matter of time Union clowns and the kids will be carrying recorders and cellphones with long recording capability.

MEMO:
To: Union Teachers

Cut the crap and get to teaching. If you can't teach get to job hunting.

Even Baby Cuomo has his fill of your crap.

Anonymous said...

11:36 you must be kidding...parents can come and go as they please in fact when parents do not behave the school can not even get them to stop coming. All they have to do is sign in under volunteer and BAM there they are. Or in the elementary they can come have lunch as often as they please. There are no rules to keep parents out.

Anonymous said...

So you acknowledge that no direct statement that teachers would be fired was ever made.

I see the interpretation made by a child has led to the teacher union bashing regarding this wave of test. THESE test are important to a degree. Too often students and children are coddled to the point that everything is neutral or wonderful. This is a test with rules that have to be followed. As a parent I have no issue with the school stating such. I also have convo's with my own that I am not concerned with the results as it is one snap shot on one day of an entire school year. I encourage them to do their best, get them to bed on day, give them an extra healthy breakfast and get them to school on time....

As for the test anxiety ...do parents realize that this is one factor in the overhaul of the k-5 report cards a few years back. This is why we no longer have actual grades, but rather a scale that measure how your child is doing. There are no longer traditional test to measure content understanding , they use bench marks during the year. That means no end of "unit tests", and THIS is why NYS test score and student grades do not align. The grades have become subjective interpreted by teachers. The are not based on a unified tested curriculum that is the same at every school for the same grades.

SCATS said...

To 7:12AM ~~ NOT TRUE!! Any time it's decided a parent isn't wanted in the building, the school (principal, presumably) can tell them to leave, no specific reason needs to be given! Failure to depart can result in arrest.

To 7:25AM ~~ Re: "So you acknowledge that no direct statement that teachers would be fired was ever made." I don't know WHO you are aiming that towards, but NO, that has NOT been acknowledged.

By the way, I know you want us to buy into the fairy tale that you are merely a parent, but your use of so much Edu-Speak (aka BS!)shows us otherwise ;)

"one snap shot on one day of an entire school year." REALLY!? lol

Anonymous said...

That 'snapshot" happens to be shot at the same time and circumstances as the other hundreds of schools and districts so the state can glean statistical information about achievement and program. In lieu of interviewing each child personally this seems like it might be more effective for statistics. And there is nothing wrong with the "snapshot" approach to see what the students are doing and to also see how the teachers are performing. This gauge of teacher performance should not be a replacement for the yearly observation. The problem is that there is enough anxiety about test-taking in general for students be they children or adults. To make a child who might feel responsible for their own punishment now feel responsible for the well being of a teacher is the issue. Children at a certain stage in development do feel that if they wish harm to someone and harm happens they might have been responsible. Remember what Mr. Rogers told the kids. You cannot just think a person something bad, "step on a crack" syndrome. Whoever was irresponsible enough to start that rumor (chicken little) will never realize what they started. If it is possible it was deliberate we will never be able to prove it. In any case just chalk it up to another few sessions on the counselor's couch.
Job security for counselors.