Monday, March 05, 2012

Mandating Life-Saving Techniques

  
Alesi Wants Schools To Train Students In CPR/AED

"It amazes me how few people know what to do in a situation like this." ~~ Sen. Jim Alesi

SCATS ~~ Good idea, or bad? Is it worth the time, expense?
 

18 comments:

Anonymous said...

This is just another example of how easy it is to say "Make the schools do it."

Over the years it has been the responsibility of the schools to teach students to swim, drive a car, feed them free breakfast, feed them free lunch all of the health checks, eyes, ears, weight etc. Check for all of the required shots. Sex education. Values education. Discipline. Character education. The list goes on.

What is the parents role in a child's life? What is the role of the schools?

Enjoy

Doug

Anonymous said...

Good point, Doug. But I wonder if in health classes, when the schools are teaching the teens about their bodies, could';t they teach them CPR?

Anonymous said...

CPR should be taught in school. Although it doesn't happen often, there can be accidents on the playing field, or a medical emergency in or out of school where a Greece student could actually save a life.

Anonymous said...

teaching CPR seems pretty innocent why the big issue?

SCATS said...

Doug ~~ I'm going to play Devil's Advocate a little bit here. I thought teachers, principals, etc. wanted to be seen as "authority figures" in their jobs, right? As role models, how they behave themselves teaches students a lot about values & character, doesn't it? I know that people in education try to shun the idea that they should be teaching such things, but that is the nature of their role in those positions! Example, when the coach drinks on the job, he is not only breaking policy, but "teaching" values and discipline (or a lack of them). Another example, when a teacher shows an R-rated movie to a class of under age students, they might be teaching about "values" as well as "sex ed" and other things the schools do NOT want to be in charge of teaching!

As far as I'm aware, schools (via Adult Ed programs) teach students to drive in return for some rather hefty cash. That's different, imho.

Regarding swimming, how many Odyssey grads learned to swim??

Anonymous said...

Every time the schools are asked to teach yet another of these topics (see Doug's list), we should all ask ourselves "What topic are they NOW teaching that we would like them to STOP teaching so that they can fit this NEW topic into their day?"

Anonymous said...

SCATS:

I have no problem with your first paragraph. Role modeling is very important. It blows my mind when teachers come to school in jeans, t-shirts, work boats and then complain about the way students dress. There is church clothing, beach wear,restaurant clothing AND appropriate school clothing for students and teachers.

Your examples are correct for value teaching by role modeling. There was a time with a curriculum to be taught for value and character education. I was also a paid driver education teacher during the day. I have no problem with parents paying for Dr. Ed. outside of the school day.

With life saving techniques, taught, by teachers, I can see a world of liability issues.

Enjoy

Doug

Anonymous said...

Doug doesn't need my defense, but his point is a good one. The schools have assumed the role of parent in so much of what parents used to be responsible for: feeding children breakfast, teaching them values. teaching them about sexual behavior, teaching them to drive. Maybe we should just let the schools pick 'em up at the hospital nursery and raise them for the parents who are too willing to let someone else do it. (You should read some sadness and sarcasm into that last statement)

Anonymous said...

We don't live in the 1950's Character is not reflected in dress. It is an inner quality not a mode of dress. Jesus did not wear a suit or a tie. Howcer most wall street bankers and inside traders do. Many bad deeds are covered up by a good busines suit, People who worry about dress are more concerned with obedince to authority and proper behavior towards superiors than real character.

Anonymous said...

Good points by Doug and 3:29.

While we want our children to know everything, the reality it that resources are limited - time and money. We must prioritize and educate our children to those priorities. Part of this process is defining the role of the schools.

Part of the problem with our schools now is that so much is mandated there is little local control over how we are able to spend our own tax dollars. Easy to say we ought to teach this or we ought to teach that. When someone from the state says that, I have yet to hear them say "instead of..."

What that means is that you the taxpayer will either have to figure out the "instead of" yourself. That is forcing YOU to cut YOUR own favorite non-mandated program while keeping all of the insane state-mandated ones, or getting out YOUR wallet and paying the bill.

In the meantime the state official uses this new program in their next election ad showing what a good person they are (At spending your tax dollars and stripping the schools of what little control they have left).

Nice.

SCATS said...

To 8:16PM ~~ REALLY!? I beg to differ! People judge others everyday by how they appear and that includes their wardrobe, piercings, hairstyles, tatoos, hygiene, etc. Try getting a real job as a professional wearing a GTA union t-shirt and you'll see.

I don't think it would be all that tough to put teaching CPR into the health curriculum. Maybe they could cut back on teaching about how to unroll a condom for one class ;)

Anonymous said...

Next year Alisi can include a class on how to say out of other people's houses.

Then he can do something on self rescue from a cellar.

Sen Trespass ought to build a course on how to feel good after doing CPR and the victim is a veggie too while he's doing all that good work.

Will this require another Union teacher?

Anonymous said...

Should be part of gym class. Many gym teachers/coaches are certified instructors already. It is a good idea especially with our high rate of obesity. I understand Doug's point too... why do we make so many teenage girls swim against their will???

Anonymous said...

Teaching all these "extras" gets dumped onto the schools because it's the one place you have a "captive audience." Every kid has to attend school, so let's use the schools as the venue to teach this and to teach that, etc.

Anonymous said...

Doug, they should teach CPR in schools because the least these kids could do is revive us after we read our tax bills.

Anonymous said...

If CPR is mandated to be taught in school, do the teachers, admins and students become compelled to act if there's an incident in the school.. If so, are they protected from lawsuits if there is an unfortunate situation but the person dies?

I want to believe that anyone capable of practicing CPR would jump at the opportunity to save a person's life but also know that in our sue-happy society, any non-professional could be sued.

We all want to believe in the good but we are not naive to the realities in life.

Tough issue as it's presented.

SCATS said...

To 12:24PM ~~ No one is ever compelled to become a Good Samaritan. Personal discretion based upon one's personal knowledge & training should be the basis used for determining whether or not one can offer help. Maybe that's the best idea, ask if they want your assistance first, if they are able to respond. I found this link which seems to address both sides of the issue:

http://www.newyorkinjurylaw-blog.com/2010/05/good-samaritan-laws-liability-for-voluntary-acts-new-york-personal-injury-attorney/

Anonymous said...

To 11:16AM........I am rolling on the floor laughing! Your comment is sooooo true!!!!