Friday, February 10, 2012

One Fire District Budget for 2012



SCATS ~~ If you live in the "average" Greece home assessed at $120,000, you're paying approx. $540/year to have the Ridge Rd. Fire District protect your home. If anyone can provide budgets for any of the other three fire districts in Greece, I'll try to post them, too.

THANK YOU TO THE PERSON WHO EMAILED THIS TO MY FACEBOOK FRIEND!
   

30 comments:

Anonymous said...

$540 a year is pretty cheap protection. You call the FD and they will be a your house any time night or day in under 5 minutes or less. You cannot say the for those who do not have Career firefighters.

Scats you need a hobby

SCATS said...

To 11:38AM ~~ It's not "cheap" at all! It's among the highest rates in Monroe County! Compare it to Pittsford, Brighton or the city of Rochester. We're footing the bill for unnecessary redundancies in Greece created by having multiple fire districts. One "chief" should be plenty ;)

PS ~~ THIS is my hobby :)

Anonymous said...

My personal favorite line is the almost $1,000,000 we get to pay into the NYS Police and Fire Retirement system.
Just for reference, that figure is almost a full 20% of what we are paying for payroll.
NICE!

Anonymous said...

When Scats needs the fire department call Pittsford, Brighton or the City and save us money!

SCATS said...

To 2:36PM ~~ HELL NO!! I paid my inflated tax bill. I'll use my assigned Greece FD ;)

Anonymous said...

SCATS why do you believe your tax bill is inflated? The Ridge Road Fire Dept is a nationally accredited dept that has among the best response times and highest trained firefighters in the state. They have become a career dept when volunteers dried up, and do a fabulous job for the residents and businesses and visistors to the district.

Anonymous said...

I have to agree $540 bucks a year is pretty cheap for fire device. I don't really care what other towns are paying. I do agree that there should be one Greece Fire Department. Imagine if there was 3 separate police or highway departments. Or actually maybe we save money by paying police and highway budgets separately.

SCATS said...

To 4:41PM ~~ We're paying for lots of fire chiefs & other redundancies. Friends from other locales also have good service at a fraction of the cost.

To 5:30PM ~~ Not everyone can afford to drive a Rolls-Royce. What "device" are you getting for your $540/year? I'm getting the business end of the short stick.

PS ~~ Don't give them any ideas about having multiple PDs, please!!

Anonymous said...

I agree that we should have one fire district. With the move on to eliminate waste in government and to reduce uneeded redundancy we should be able to get this n a vote somehow. Does anyone know how we get a referendum vote started?

SCATS said...

To 8:25AM ~~ That's a VERY GOOD question.

Anonymous said...

When are we going to start charging homeowners for false alarms? Looks like 25-35% of the variable costs are related to false alarms. And the majority of false alarms are to repeat addresses. How about two a month and four a year and then its an increasing fine for each additional false alarm.

Anonymous said...

Yes the process can be started by the residents by petition, Just do some research and you should be able to figure it out.

SCATS said...

To 8:25AM ~~ This link should be informative:

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/TWN

SCATS said...

To 11:04AM ~~ Great idea! I'm sure most of those false alarms come from automated alarm systems, too.

Anonymous said...

SCATS Im sure the family and dog that were saved by Ridge Road Firefighters this morning would gladly pay twice what their fire tax is. Ridge Road FF's facing heavy heavy fire conditions managed to save the family and put the fire out in a very professional mannner.

Anonymous said...

I just followed your link and found in NY Code - Section 172-B: Consolidation of fire protection districts that EITHER by their own motion or by petition of >50% of the residential tax base owners, the town board may combine the districts. So if the town board wished - they could take it upon themselves to do so. If they don't, then the taxpayers can petition them to. Obviously the first step is to ask them to evaluate it for savings and performance to see if they want to do it on their own. Otherwise it takes petitions in all districts ( and that includes the Greece residents of Hilton & Parma districts who pay those towns for their service.

SCATS said...

To 12:48PM ~~ Based upon your logic, you should be paying top dollar for your medical insurance, life insurance, car insurance, homeowner's insurance, liability (umbrella) coverage, home alarm system, medical alert services and a myriad of other potentially life-saving services ... but everyone knows you're not ;) It's likely you carry minimum insurance coverages in at least some areas simply because you can't afford more. That's what we're talking about here.

There's NO REASON Greece's fire protection services should decline if consolidated and overhead costs were reduced. NONE AT ALL :)

SCATS said...

To 1:59PM ~~ I can't imagine Auberger's group doing anything without being forced to politically. Campaign contributions from certain folks speak louder than mere voters voices ;) But I'd sure like it if they did consolidate.

Anonymous said...

Somehow the implication that retaining their power organization vs consolidating to give the town people greater awareness of the organization and possibly saving money would diminish our ability to be saved sounds a bit like tacit extortion and an unsaid threat. The people that live in the city have a stellar and committed group of men and women in a consolidated fire district. Just putting our groups under one leader does not seem like it should put us in the position of being ungrateful for the service of our fine fire fighters and emt's in greece. Let's stop trying to deflect from the issue of trying to save money and have more transparency in what seems to be a group that runs without public oversight. Who said anything about the service being diminished or at risk?
We get it. We appreciate the people who have chosen a profession that puts their lives at risk to save our lives and property. We just are amazed that they seem to be operating unilaterally and without public input. And just maybe the Barnard district would benefit from spreading the wealth.

Anonymous said...

There's NO REASON Greece's fire protection services should decline if consolidated and overhead costs were reduced. NONE AT ALL :)

No one said they would, everyone is just happy that the service is there if they should need it, and what they pay for it.

If you want copys of the other budgets just FOIL them it's public information.

Instead of just complaining try to inflict change, you have the ability.

SCATS said...

To 4:09PM ~~ Just as 3:45PM stated, there IS an implied threat in the previous posts and lower quality service is among them.

As for change, plenty has changed as a result of this BLOG. Example: the BOE says little in public any more. They do their talking by phone, memo & executive session which makes them huge liars when they claim to be "transparent."

Graehaven said...

Once again, pensions are killing this state. I applaud them for their service. They are properly compensated for it. That does NOT mean they also deserve a guaranteed pension. Sorry, it's just not practical. Do your OWN investing just like the rest of us.

I pay $4200 per year for my modest $100,000 ranch home in the town of Greece. I've had it for 7 years. That's nearly $30,000 I've paid for public services. I have NOT received that much BENEFIT for what I've payed into this "system," and I never will. By the time my house is paid off, I will have paid well over $100,000 in taxes for public services - I will NEVER receive an in-kind benefit that matches. NEVER.

And we wonder why we're bleeding people to other states. Idiocy of government at ALL levels.

Anonymous said...

Scats, by chance have you been to any of the budget hearings that each district held? Which is your home district?

SCATS said...

To 8:51PM ~~ No, I didn't know any of them held hearings. Where is that info publicized? There was almost nothing about their elections in the paper.

Anonymous said...

The information is posted in the Legal Notices per New York State law. I believe all the Districts post the info on their messege boards in front of their firehouses.You could probably call and ask if you really wanted to know.

SCATS said...

To 9:34PM ~~ Who in their right mind reads legal notices? Almost no one. I would thank you for sharing the info, but you decided to sign-off with a parting shot of "if you really wanted to know." Since YOU do NOT know me, you'll never know the answer to that, will you? ;)

Anonymous said...

Hey Scats, how about a shout-out, or at least an acknowledgement of the rescue made by greece ridge firemen the other night.

SCATS said...

To 7:57AM ~~ A "shout out" for doing the jobs they are paid to do? I reserve them for going above and beyond the call of duty, sorry.

SCATS said...

BTW, in my mind, a true "hero" is a person who does that unselfish, courageous act where they endanger themselves to save/rescue/help another facing great peril AND expects NO recognition for putting his/her life on the line, often for a complete stranger.

Anonymous said...

Gee, I hate to introduce thinking into this fun argument, but we need to.

Fire costs are where they are thanks to the wonderful UNION members of IAFF!

IAFF set about driving vollies out of the Departments built by vollies 10 years or more back, and IAFF did a wonderful job.

Now we have IAFF UNION firefighters very similar to NEA teachers. Same gameplan, Training & certification mixed with a huge portion of BullCrap. Fire Commissioners & School Boards, little people who accomplish nothing beyond spending other people's money.

How long ago was it we read in the paper about Fire Dept money being spent on porn?

Multimillion dollar firehouses with gyms and washing machines that cost $50,000+. Lavish pensions for Union members.

It's like giving the neighbor's wife your Master Card and telling her to have a good time.

Look a few miles West and you see Hamlin,Morton & Walker Departments consolidating. A bit South you see Brockport completely changing.
In Greece you see two hands out, District taxes and Union Firemen asking for donations so they can have another party.

North Greece has a Fire Palace atop Paddie Hill where they sell dispatch service to GVA and Lakeshore, paying multiple dispatchers to do so.

Attention Taxpayer; You're getting HOSED!