Friday, February 03, 2012

2 Fights, 4 Olympia Students Charged & Suspended

  
YNNews: "Four Greece Olympia High School students were charged Friday following two separate fights.

Police in Greece say two of the students were charged with disorderly conduct.

Two other students were charged with disorderly conduct and harassment because a teacher was scratched.

Greece Central School District officials say the students have all been suspended.
  

SCATS ~~ Can't wait until 7th & 8th graders get to be part of this! Babs, could we oust the 20+% of Olympia students who aren't Greece residents, before it's too late??

32 comments:

Anonymous said...

How do you come up with this 20%figure? How can it be confirmed? That seems awfully high even for illegals. How do we know that the supposed non residents are the source of the problem. I remember more than few bad seeds in my own neighborhood growing up in greece

SCATS said...

To 7:36PM ~~ I suggest you talk to Babs or Olympia's principal.

Anonymous said...

To the writer the other day that claimed putting a 7th & 8th (or even a 6th grade) at Olympia is no different than when the same was added to Arcadia way back when... welcome to the reality that is Olympia 2012!

As for the self serving families in Greece that are supporting throwing 11 year olds into that environment, probably so that your kid gets a seat at the new Odyssey... shame on you!

Thanks for everything Lyndonville!

Anonymous said...

SCATS, I suggest that YOU talk to them first, before you go spewing figures you can't back up. Think of the number of times you've called out other posters on here who toss out numbers with no verification.

SCATS said...

To 9:19PM ~~ How do you know I haven't talked to either of them? I know ... you DON'T know!

Anonymous said...

Say the number is 20 percent, or say its 5 percent, what's the difference it's illegal and it's wrong and Greece pays people to prevent and deal with it. Invoked with what happened today, not involved, who cares. Deal with it!

Anonymous said...

If it is true that the principle of Olympia is saying something about this problem it needs to be made public. I would like to get a handle on the source and extent of the problems Olympia is facing and try something a bit more proactive. Of course we could ask our intrepid local reporter to investigate and report on this but she seems more interested in keeping close realtions with the district leaders. Murrow would turn over in his grave.

SCATS said...

To 10:16PM ~~ I suggest you talk to the School Resource Officers, too. They should know, too.

Anonymous said...

The reality is there are many non residents at Olympia but they are bussed there as the laws require it . The laws are exploited no doubt but as far as GCSD is concerned they are legal and the district gets paid for them.

SCATS said...

To 11:04PM ~~ What law are you talking about? I think you're confused.

Anonymous said...

Scats, there are really two issues here

1. The violence at Olympia that 7 & 8th graders are being introduced into and the safety for all of the students and staff

2. The presence of non-resident students at OHS that are not attending legally

Can't we treat the two issues separately and not assume that all the violence is due to the illegal students?

Anonymous said...

Scats I am not confused. Our school district provides education for those not living in Greece. It is allowed when a home school district does not have the services that a student needs and then the child can be an is educated else where in GREECE. We provide "boces" like services to many kids at risk from the RCSD. You can doubt me but it is true. The GCSD is paid for this and kids are counted for purposes of state aid as well.

As for the "homeless act" it to is very liberal. And again discretionary to the degree that the district deems a child's homelike as unstable. If the child was at any point a GCSD student they can and do bus those children as well.

Likewise we as a district pay charter school tuition to 3 city charter schools for students that "live" In Greece. I am not sure how or who could foil all this information as it does exist and is prevalent and 2 elementary schools and on HS.

Anonymous said...

Topps making lot "counter" said he counted 17 dropped off one morning last week. He is looking for repeaters and will then photograph them and turn that over to the principal. (Or so I am told by someone who may or may not know what he is talking about. Call it a rumor.)

SCATS said...

To 7:50AM ~~ They may be two issues, but at Olympia HS they are very much inter-related issues.

To 9:07AM ~~ I'm not talking about kids who attend legally. I'm talking about the kids who do NOT belong here, kids that GCSD knows do NOT belong here. Back when the
2nd precinct offices opened, a couple of cops told me all about the problems in our high schools. They know what's going on. The school administration knows about it, but is looking the other way.

To 10:35AM ~~ I'm not sure what you're talking about ...

Anonymous said...

The District currently employs one private investigator to weed out the illegals attending our schools.He told.me that in his first year three years ago he had succeeded in ridding the district of 35 city residents who falsified the requiered info to qualify under State Law for"A FREE EDUCATION".You read it right.That is the title of the application that they fill out
He also told me that he could use more help as if he did the results would more than double.He went to explain that when finds a suspect student, it becomes a two week or more process to gather enough evidence to confirm the fact that this student does not reside in Greece as he must perform surveilance procedures in order to prove the fact.It would seem to me that more personnel devoted to this initiative is called for.The related costs would more than pay for themselves as for every illegal dispatched would save the District the amount of$14,000 per each illegal as that figure represents the amount spent on each student as well as have possitive effect on student safety and discipline.

Anonymous said...

Someone sitting in the Top parking lot is counting dropped off students

SCATS said...

To 11:04AM ~~ I agree with you
100%. GCSD should be doing ALL IT CAN to rid the district of these free-loading trouble-makers. Maybe we wouldn't have to pay a handful of cops overtime pay to keep our schools safe if we ensured that only Greece residents attended them ... maybe.

To 11:38PM ~~ Thanks for translating ;)

Anonymous said...

Overall public opinion does not favor anything being done about this. Look at the case of the woman in another state who was arrested for doing this. She was made a martyr because "trying to get a good education for your child should not be a crime" and "I would have done the same thing". It will be a a PR disaster if they push this.

Anonymous said...

Our average cost per student may be $14,000.

Remove one student would not "save" the district $14,000.
Removing 100 students from the population would NOT save the district $1,400,000.

It just doesn't work that way.

Anonymous said...

2:04 might be right. They like the illegals because they need special education and therefore the district gets extra money for them. And then it doesn't spend the money on special services for those students. "money makes the world go round"

SCATS said...

To 1:15PM ~~ If the Greece taxpayers knew how much they were being taken to the cleaners for, I think they'd care. Let's inform them & then decide ;)

To 2:04PM ~~ Then please tell us how it does work!

Anonymous said...

Scats. Don't be so obtuse.
Is it your position that catching one student and returning that student to RCSD would save the district $14,000?
How about 100 students? Would that save $1,400,000?

You know it wouldn't.
A single student would have absolutely no effect on the budget.
100 students would have a statistically insignificant effect on the budget. Those students would, most likely, be spread over multiple grades, in multiple classes, at multiple schools. Their removal would have no impact on budget or spending.

SCATS said...

To 6:41PM ~~ I'm not being obtuse. Getting rid of thieves is in the best interest of all real GCSD students. 100 from Olympia HS alone would send quite a message.

By the way, I'm tired of people using as an excuse the idea that something is too small to dent the budget. In the current situation, there's no choice.

Anonymous said...

Lets not forget that in 2 years, 11 year olds (6th graders) will also be at Olympia! And this talk about keeping them seperated from the High School, in a seperate hallway is BS. The "hallway" they plan on putting the middle school students in has 10 classrooms. They need to put 500 former apollo students in 10 classrooms (50 per room?).

These kids will be freely mixed with high school students.

Parents- Get to the next Board Meeting! Demand a better alternative!!! (or move. Sadly those are your options.)

Anonymous said...

I am all for making sure students at out schools are town residents. I just figured that, in your constant search for accuracy, you would not want to give your readers the wrong impression. That being, the removal of these students would be a huge budget savings for the district.

I thought you might correct 2/4/12 @ 11:04 for his/her misinterpretation. When you didn't, I figured I'd assist.

Removing non-residents is the right thing to do, but not because it will save the district tons of money.

SCATS said...

To 10:25AM ~~ If we removed 100+ illegal students from Olympia HS, there IS the potential for a HUGE PAYOFF!! First, we stop the theft of services and save lots per student (maybe it's "only" $10,000 each, but it's very worthwhile). Second, we probably could reduce teaching &/or other staff at that school. Third, we might not need SRO's at theit OT premium pay any more. Fourth, We provide an atmosphere where Greece students can learn. The payoff isn't totally immediate, but it will be quite large ;)

Anonymous said...

I agree eliminating theft of services is the right thing to do. That said, there really isn;t any cost saving until you eliminate sufficient students to fire one teacher, close one school, etc. The costs of education (teachers, admin, heating, maintenance, cleaning, etc) are simply distributed over the students that remain. Fewer out of district students means higher cost per pupil until we clean all of them out.

Anonymous said...

Scats, according to reliable sources,the sale of Kirk Rd school is immenant Negotiations have been ongoing for some time now waiting for thr B OE to approve the closing of the school.Look for the announcement soon as the sale will impact the. Budget process

Anonymous said...

First off, has anyone decided how elitist/ possibly racist SCATS is? We live in Greece folks. If you are not in a gated community then you have noticed. Yes, are the illegals in the school districts a problem? My answer is a resounding YES! The classroom size is inflated and the city problems do seem to be coming our way. However, SCATS please check your rhetoric. I know you are out to stir the pot, but until you place your butt in the schools and out from behind your computer, you will have no idea what you are talking about. Some of those "illegals" actually pad the Greece test scores from looking like they should. Why don't you check out that end of the story. The fact is that Greece (THE COMMUNITY and THE PARENTS) have become lax. We don't live in the same community we used to back when I went to school here. However, I have no problem sending my kids here because they have excellent educators. They perform miracles (for some kids who would be written off in RCSD) with what is given to them.

SCATS said...

To 6:26PM ~~ I laughed out loud reading your charge that I'm elitist and/or racist!!! Anyone who knows me, knows that's about as far from reality as it can get. The idea that the thieves of our educational services "pad" GCSD test scores in some positive direction is beyond silly. (Oops! There I go being elitist/racist again!! lmao) I'm in touch with the reality, more so than most.

By the way, I've spent LOTS of time inside Greece schools ... just so you know ;)

Anonymous said...

I agree with the last post. I am curious though SCATS how do you spend so much time in the schools? You have never told us.

SCATS said...

To 6:12PM ~~ If I told you that, I'd have to kill you ;)